Danny Rose

[Spunkmonkey]

Who can ever forgot Danny's volley against Arsenal in 2009/2010, but for me that should be his abiding memory of his time at Spurs.

I have always been sceptical of his defensive abilities, and whilst he was receiving rave reviews at Sunderland, on closer inspection he wasn't defending that well.

Whilst it is wrong to really analyse too much into a pre-season friendly performance, his game yesterday still showed some naive mistakes which he has always done defensively.

1. Letting his player drift inside too easily
2. Ball watching allowing his opponent to get away from him
3. Impetousity after making a mistake, he is desperate to get the ball back, and gives away stupid free kicks
4. Also I've noticed over the years, when he misplaces a pass, he will just stand and watch for 5 seconds, which is enough for the opposition to exploit his space

Now I'm not saying that he is a bad player, but he is not the top level player we need if we are too push for the higher places in the league. Also I don't think there is much difference between Ekotto, they both have faults which well drilled opponents will take advantage of.

Apart from the obviously linked Coentrao. I also think that the following full backs would be an improvement

Fuchs (Schalke)
Tremoulinas (Bordeaux)
Cissokho (Valencia)
Sandro (Porto)

 

[Geronimo897]

Who can ever forgot Danny's volley against Arsenal in 2009/2010, but for me that should be his abiding memory of his time at Spurs.

I have always been sceptical of his defensive abilities, and whilst he was receiving rave reviews at Sunderland, on closer inspection he wasn't defending that well.

Whilst it is wrong to really analyse too much into a pre-season friendly performance, his game yesterday still showed some naive mistakes which he has always done defensively.

1. Letting his player drift inside too easily
2. Ball watching allowing his opponent to get away from him
3. Impetousity after making a mistake, he is desperate to get the ball back, and gives away stupid free kicks
4. Also I've noticed over the years, when he misplaces a pass, he will just stand and watch for 5 seconds, which is enough for the opposition to exploit his space

Now I'm not saying that he is a bad player, but he is not the top level player we need if we are too push for the higher places in the league. Also I don't think there is much difference between Ekotto, they both have faults which well drilled opponents will take advantage of.

Apart from the obviously linked Coentrao. I also think that the following full backs would be an improvement

Fuchs (Schalke)
Tremoulinas (Bordeaux)
Cissokho (Valencia)
Sandro (Porto)

You give him far too much credit imho.

He was appalling defensively.

 

[beats1]

Ah yes the monthly danny rose thread, anyway yesterday I did see him and he was poor but apparently against Monaco he did well so after one game we are deciding he is shit

Secondly he was absolute shit going forward last season for sunderland bar one goal and was sound defensively other than the times he was injured as he looked shocking those couple of games, so it makes laugh when people say he is poor defensively and good going forward. Especially after his career threatening knee injuring he has never looked as good going past players.

I think he needs time to learn the new partners in defence and teammates.

Also I find it insanely funny that people are calling for Fryers after one game, LLM said he is only there to raise his confidence but he has been our worst academy player last season, so he is nowhere near ready and just think yesterday our worst academy player looked good in our first 11, what must our highly rated players look like in a strong 11 given a run of games.

I also watch a lot of La Liga and Im not convinced by Coentroa as much as others are, he would be a good addition but not the world class player everybody thinks he is

 

[Spunkmonkey]

Ah yes the monthly danny rose thread, anyway yesterday I did see him and he was poor but apparently against Monaco he did well so after one game we are deciding he is shit

Secondly he was absolute shit going forward last season for sunderland bar one goal and was sound defensively other than the times he was injured as he looked shocking those couple of games, so it makes laugh when people say he is poor defensively and good going forward. Especially after his career threatening knee injuring he has never looked as good going past players.

I think he needs time to learn the new partners in defence and teammates.

Also I find it insanely funny that people are calling for Fryers after one game, LLM said he is only there to raise his confidence but he has been our worst academy player last season, so he is nowhere near ready and just think yesterday our worst academy player looked good in our first 11, what must our highly rated players look like in a strong 11 given a run of games.

I also watch a lot of La Liga and Im not convinced by Coentroa as much as others are, he would be a good addition but not the world class player everybody thinks he is

I wasn't saying he was crap after one game, I said in my post, that he is still making the same mistakes he has always made.

 

[AJW]

Who can ever forgot Danny's volley against Arsenal in 2009/2010, but for me that should be his abiding memory of his time at Spurs.

I have always been sceptical of his defensive abilities, and whilst he was receiving rave reviews at Sunderland, on closer inspection he wasn't defending that well.

Whilst it is wrong to really analyse too much into a pre-season friendly performance, his game yesterday still showed some naive mistakes which he has always done defensively.

1. Letting his player drift inside too easily
2. Ball watching allowing his opponent to get away from him
3. Impetousity after making a mistake, he is desperate to get the ball back, and gives away stupid free kicks
4. Also I've noticed over the years, when he misplaces a pass, he will just stand and watch for 5 seconds, which is enough for the opposition to exploit his space

Now I'm not saying that he is a bad player, but he is not the top level player we need if we are too push for the higher places in the league. Also I don't think there is much difference between Ekotto, they both have faults which well drilled opponents will take advantage of.

Apart from the obviously linked Coentrao. I also think that the following full backs would be an improvement

Fuchs (Schalke)
Tremoulinas (Bordeaux)
Cissokho (Valencia)
Sandro (Porto)

I have made clear in other threads that I really want a replacement but the problem is I can't think of any realistic options. Our of yours:

Tremoulinas has moved to Dynamo Kiev, Cissokho to Liverpool will be announced this evening and Porto would ask for a fortune for Sandro. Fuchs I have never seen. I know I'm not a scout but there aren't many options.

 

[SoulDog]

Is it just me or does he look like he does not know what he is doing? His positioning is very poor and his first touch is awful

 

[Blake Griffin]

i want fuchs just for commentary.

 

[sim0n]

BAE is fine, no real need to replace him... but for some reason he is being pushed out. Rose is not a top 4 prem level LD

 

[tiger666]

BAE is fine, no real need to replace him... but for some reason he is being pushed out. Rose is not a top 4 prem level LD

Who would you replace him with? (Not including BAE)

 

[Black]

BAE is fine, no real need to replace him... but for some reason he is being pushed out. Rose is not a top 4 prem level LD

But we are not a top 4 team

 

[Spunkmonkey]

I have made clear in other threads that I really want a replacement but the problem is I can't think of any realistic options. Our of yours:

Tremoulinas has moved to Dynamo Kiev, Cissokho to Liverpool will be announced this evening and Porto would ask for a fortune for Sandro. Fuchs I have never seen. I know I'm not a scout but there aren't many options.

I never knew that Tremoulinas had moved on, thanks for letting me know. Fuchs is a very effective full back, however he does have Draxler playing in front of him, so may look better than he actually is

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Danny had a very patchy game yesterday but that may be a one-off because of the type of game it was and once the season begins in earnest he may come good. I'm not ready to write him off.

 

[beats1]

I wasn't saying he was crap after one game, I said in my post, that he is still making the same mistakes he has always made.

it wasn't directed at you more at the bipolar nature of this board(which includes me as well)

As for mistake i haven't seen him for us this season except saturday but last season he was good defensively and poor going forward as he has been since 17. Also worth noting this is his second season as a LB in his career so far

 

[AJW]

it wasn't directed at you more at the bipolar nature of this board(which includes me as well)

As for mistake i haven't seen him for us this season except saturday but last season he was good defensively and poor going forward as he has been since 17. Also worth noting this is his second season as a LB in his career so far

And that last sentence is the reason we can't afford to have him as our only real choice at left back, as well as Naughton, in a season where we need champions league.

If he is happy to stay and learn - great. But based on his previous comments he won't be

 

[Black]

What some of you fail to understand its per season he's trying to impress, I'm pretty sure he's tired of being loaned out and would like to make it at Tottenham. He just need to relax a bit IMO

 

[Lufti]

Fuchs Just no. Good from a dead ball situation but the fact that he was replaced by an untested 19 year old last year, and that our defence considerably improved speaks volumes for me

 

[sim0n]

But we are not a top 4 team

Indeed, Spurs have finished 5th,.... sooooooooo, a goal of 4th or better is the focus. Rose does not appear to be of the quality required to make Spurs top 11 better. It's funny to see projected line ups posted with Paulinho, Soldado, Dembele, and the like,.... then it seems quite out of place with Rose in there,... he really stands out for the wrong reason IMHO

 

[Syn_13]

Full backs are rarely the full package nowadays. They tend to either be decent at defending and attacking but not outstanding in either, or fantastic at either attacking or defending whilst being god awful in the other area. Rose is clearly the latter type as opposed to Ekotto who is more of the former. Ekotto had his hair raising (no pun intended!) moments at the back, but as a general rule he wasn't dire at defending, but never produced anything major going forward either. For what we want to achieve right now Danny Rose just isn't good enough. He's a real livewire going forward but his defensive abilities are just too poor for me to see him as being anything more than a backup to the first team right now. He is, however, a much better option on the bench than Naughton for that left hand side. I'm not going to write the kid off yet though as he still has time to improve the defensive side to his game, just don't think he's first team material.

 

[parklane1]

Ah yes the monthly danny rose thread, anyway yesterday I did see him and he was poor but apparently against Monaco he did well so after one game we are deciding he is shit
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He did not do well against Monaco ( he was not the only one though) four of Monaco's goals came from his side as he was caught out of position so many times.

 

[Black]

so how much better is walker than rose guies ?