Deadwood - Is it really going to be that hard to shift?

[blanchflower007]

I've seen a number of people posting how hard it is going to be to shift our squad players due to the lack of movement in pervious windows. However I think this summer will be different, people are forgetting how much money was thrown about in the Jan window Sunderland and Newcastle both have the best part of £24m and £35m respectively and will both be after a striker each. Liverpool have money burning a whole in their pocket, Chelsea and Man City are going to spend BIG esp the latter and Arsenal look like they are finally going to spend. Now although none of these teams are likely to be interested in players that we want to seal they will buy from teams who are for example:

Liverpool buy Young for £20m form Villa, Villa are then suddenly interested in Kranjcar or Bentley.

Arsenal buy Samba from Blackburn for £10, Blackburn then start looking at Bassong or the striker they desperately need!

Wolves are almost nailed on to take O'Hara.

QPR have a huge amount of money they could spend, it looks like the owners don't want to operate that way but I'm sure they will want to spend enough to ensure their Premier League status by buying some proven Premier League players.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are teams out there who will want to spend, and there will be a massive influx of cash in the market this summer the problems will be Levy getting the fee he wants and therefore selling early enough so that we can make our moves at a decent time so we can have a team with a proper pre-season together.

 

[bubble07]

With Levy as Chairman It will be very tough. The guy does not make loses. There is no way we can recoup 12m for Palacios, 15m for Bentley and 12m for Keane. I'm sure he will be willing to make some lose but a 50% lose which is what it would take at best to sell will be too hard for Daniel to accept

Players like O'hara and Krnajcar will be off as O'hara was a free and niko was 2mil

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

O'Hara and Bentley depending on Wolves and Birmingham surviving at the weekend I would have thought.

Newcastle's (Carroll) and QPR's money should help us shift Defoe and Crouch.

Pav will have options in Germany, Italy and France I would have thought.

Gio should be easy to flog in Spain.

Keane will be hardest.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Its not always about the clubs wanting our players it is about how much levy values them at and if the player will want to move to the club in question. Jenas wouldn't move to Stoke last summer for example and Robbie Keane wouldn't go to Brimingham.

Alot of our players have a high opinion of themselves due to us paying over the odds for them in the first place. So probably won't accept moving to a bottom of the table club.

Also for those of you who think Levy should just accept any price for our deadwood. You need to realise the guy wouldn't be doing his job correctly if he accepted low prices for what are basically business assets. We are only in the strong financial position we find ourselves currently because of Levys hard nosed business attitude.

 

[bubble07]

O'Hara and Bentley depending on Wolves and Birmingham surviving at the weekend I would have thought.

Newcastle's (Carroll) and QPR's money should help us shift Defoe and Crouch.

Pav will have options in Germany, Italy and France I would have thought.

Gio should be easy to flog in Spain.

Keane will be hardest.

keane will be easier to shift then Bentley. Birmingham haven't got a pot to piss in and I'm sure QPR/Sunderland/Wolves would take Keane for 6-7m

 

[Spurs_Bear]

It will be easy to shift the 'deadwood' if all we ask is 1-2m for each player. But Levy is never going to do that.

As for Pav having options in Germany, Italy and France Dan? He's never had them before, he's not getting any younger. And he's shit. He might have options, but not for anywhere near the money that Levy will want.

Agreed Giovani should be no problem, he hardly cost us much either, someone will snap him up.

I honestly cant see us getting more than a million for Keane, problem with him is wages.

 

[Legacy]

keane will be easier to shift then Bentley. Birmingham haven't got a pot to piss in and I'm sure QPR/Sunderland/Wolves would take Keane for 6-7m

Not a chance, in my opinion. £4-5m at the absolute maximum for Keane. Bentley still has age on his side, at least. But Levy's still going to have to take a massive hit if he wants rid of him this summer.

Defoe and Crouch should still have enough admirers in this league to command a decent fee, especially for a club looking for a package deal for the pair.

O'Hara should have no shortage of takers in the bottom half of the league. They'll sign him and he'll become one of their best players almost straight away.

Pav, I actually have no idea about. I think he'd certainly be more successful in a less physical league, but I've no idea what kind of fee he'd be able to command.

If we're genuinely interested in Phil Jones, Bassong would actually be a very strong incentive for Blackburn to let Jones go.

Should be able to recoup Gio's transfer fee and if Kranjcar does leave, Spurs will make a decent profit on him.

 

[StanSpur]

We need to take some loss on these players otherwise we will have too big a squad and wage bill. It won't be easy to get rid of as many players as we need to without taking a drop in our asking price.

Keane £4-5m - QPR, Newcastle, Blackburn, Blackpool, Birmingham
Bassong £6-7m - Blackburn, Sunderland, Fulham
Bentley £6-7m - QPR, Fulham, Newcastle, Sunderland
O'Hara £3-4m - Wolves, QPR
GDS £2-3m - somewhere in Spain
Defoe £10-12m - Newcastle, Sunderland, Fulham, Villa
Pav £8-10m - Russia
Crouch £7-9m - QPR, Newcastle, Sunderland
Kranky £5-6m - Fulham, Sunderland, Newcastle, QPR, Everton, Villa, Italy
Palacios £8-9m - Spain, Italy, Villa, Newcastle
JJ £5-6m - Fulham, Villa, Newcastle

I think it all obviously depends on what other clubs have to spend/what they sell but we could move all of these on for between £64m and £78m. Even if they all went for £40m toatal that would give us in theory a £60-70m pot with only 4-5 players needed.

Gomes, Cudicini + backup = £6m
Walker, Corluka, Naughton, Kaboul, King, Dawson, Gallas, Benny + CB backup + LB backup = £10m
Lennon, Bale, Rose, Modric, Sandro, Hudd, VDV, Pienaar, + Parker? = £6m
New, New, New = £40m

plus all the kids (Kane, Townsend etc)

 

[NEVILLEB]

Levy is why it'll be hard

 

[dav3j]

If they had any money whatsoever, Celtic would be the best place to ship Keane off to, seemingly the only place he's been capable of hitting the proverbial cow's arse with a banjo in the last two years. Can't see us getting anything above £4m-5m for him, everyone can now see he's well past his best.

 

[StartingPrice]

I agree with the OP...think it is just more of the boo-hoo, poor us, we didn't get 4th, it's all a nightmare panic mongering.

We need to take some loss on these players otherwise we will have too big a squad and wage bill. It won't be easy to get rid of as many players as we need to without taking a drop in our asking price.

Keane £4-5m - QPR, Newcastle, Blackburn, Blackpool, Birmingham
Bassong £6-7m - Blackburn, Sunderland, Fulham
Bentley £6-7m - QPR, Fulham, Newcastle, Sunderland
O'Hara £3-4m - Wolves, QPR
GDS £2-3m - somewhere in Spain
Defoe £10-12m - Newcastle, Sunderland, Fulham, Villa
Pav £8-10m - Russia
Crouch £7-9m - QPR, Newcastle, Sunderland
Kranky £5-6m - Fulham, Sunderland, Newcastle, QPR, Everton, Villa, Italy
Palacios £8-9m - Spain, Italy, Villa, Newcastle
JJ £5-6m - Fulham, Villa, Newcastle

I think it all obviously depends on what other clubs have to spend/what they sell but we could move all of these on for between £64m and £78m. Even if they all went for £40m toatal that would give us in theory a £60-70m pot with only 4-5 players needed.

Gomes, Cudicini + backup = £6m
Walker, Corluka, Naughton, Kaboul, King, Dawson, Gallas, Benny + CB backup + LB backup = £10m
Lennon, Bale, Rose, Modric, Sandro, Hudd, VDV, Pienaar, + Parker? = £6m
New, New, New = £40m

plus all the kids (Kane, Townsend etc)

Why do you think we need LB back-up? Don't you think Rose has shown enough to suggest he could cover for Benny? And we have Bale, as well.

Do you really think it would be a good idea to get rid of our entire strike force and bring a completely new one in? Some of us remember the last time we did thatmg:

 

[Riandor]

Levy is why it'll be hard

Levy is why we will get money to spend from this lot and why we have spent good money in the past.

Gotta love some peoples whatever attitude to money on here sometimes!!!

 

[StanSpur]

I agree with the OP...think it is just more of the boo-hoo, poor us, we didn't get 4th, it's all a nightmare panic mongering.



Why do you think we need LB back-up? Don't you think Rose has shown enough to suggest he could cover for Benny? And we have Bale, as well.

Do you really think it would be a good idea to get rid of our entire strike force and bring a completely new one in? Some of us remember the last time we did thatmg:

I don't think they will all go. I don't think any of them are worth keeping either. My point was that we can drop our fees for players and still recoup a large sum of money as we have a large number of players who aren't going to push us on (i forgot the likes of Hutton too). I think we will ship Keane and at least one other striker (looking like Defoe at the moment) and then it will depend on how we do at pulling in new strikers. It is always difficult to tell with Spurs who we are really interested in as we are linked with everyone but i can see us bring in 2 established strikers and possibly a youngster - maybe from our South American contacts. That would leave us with enough to sell on at least 3. As for last time it is different, we sold a stikeforce that scored all our goals and replaced them with nothing - this time we are talking about a stikeforce who only score in brothels!

 

[There's always next year]

I'd try a stump up the cash myself if it helps to move Crouch out

 

[Krafty]

Its a combination of factors.

We tend to demand high-ish fees for players even if they are completely out of the first team picture. Those players tend to be on decent wages. There are cheaper foreign options available. Currently there is concern about finances and spending too much. Blackpool have shown that promoted clubs don't have to spend massively to be in with a chance to survive.

Even if we gave someone like Keane or Bentley away for free no one will match their wages, so it depends on whether the players will take a pay cut as well.

Apart from O'Hara, who looks like he will stay at Wolves if they still up, maybe even if they go down, and Kranjcar who we need to sell abroad not to a PL team, I'm not sure there is massive interest in the other 'deadwood'. As the window goes on teams will miss out on targets and then the interest might develop but we really do need to sort the squad at as soon as possible. I don't want us hanging on until the end of August, then finally sell some deadwood and go around making silly offers with minutes to go.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Its a combination of factors.

We tend to demand high-ish fees for players even if they are completely out of the first team picture. Those players tend to be on decent wages. There are cheaper foreign options available. Currently there is concern about finances and spending too much. Blackpool have shown that promoted clubs don't have to spend massively to be in with a chance to survive.

Even if we gave someone like Keane or Bentley away for free no one will match their wages, so it depends on whether the players will take a pay cut as well.

Apart from O'Hara, who looks like he will stay at Wolves if they still up, maybe even if they go down, and Kranjcar who we need to sell abroad not to a PL team, I'm not sure there is massive interest in the other 'deadwood'. As the window goes on teams will miss out on targets and then the interest might develop but we really do need to sort the squad at as soon as possible. I don't want us hanging on until the end of August, then finally sell some deadwood and go around making silly offers with minutes to go.

I understand what you're saying but if we add more players to our already massive squad it will be pretty obvious who want to get rid of and therefore devalue them. With the 25 man rule as well we are bent over a barrel because we need to let the surplus players leave somehow.

 

[Bruts]

Press are reporting this morning QPR wont be given much to spend. Sure I heard a while back the owners were looking to sell up?

 

[bubble07]

also i'm not overly keen on having so many players being sold to other premier league sides and they will ALL have a point to prove when they play us. Granted some of them are shit but still

 

[Legacy]

Do you really think it would be a good idea to get rid of our entire strike force and bring a completely new one in? Some of us remember the last time we did thatmg:

That's because last time we sold Keane and Berbatov, who between them scored 91 goals in two seasons, and replaced them with Frazier Campbell and Roman Pavlyuchenko. :lol:

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

It will be easy to shift the 'deadwood' if all we ask is 1-2m for each player. But Levy is never going to do that.

As for Pav having options in Germany, Italy and France Dan? He's never had them before, he's not getting any younger. And he's shit. He might have options, but not for anywhere near the money that Levy will want.

Agreed Giovani should be no problem, he hardly cost us much either, someone will snap him up.

I honestly cant see us getting more than a million for Keane, problem with him is wages.

IMO any decent scout would see that he'd rip it up in those countries (maybe less so Italy actually). He's a proven international striker with a good EPL record. For £7-8m he'd be an excellent buy for a mid-table Bundesliga side.