Dele Alli at Everton

[Spartanspurs]

You can't just become Thomas Muller. I very much doubt he has the footballing intelligence and off the ball movement. He also wouldn't offer anything defensively.

Arguably Dele's three strongest traits are his off the ball movement, his footballing intelligence/vision and his defensive work rate from the front... Are we watching the same player?

 

[tiger666]

Arguably Dele's three strongest traits are his off the ball movement, his footballing intelligence/vision and his defensive work rate from the front... Are we watching the same player?

Well my point was more Muller hangs about in spaces whilst the opposition have the ball and doesn't offer much defensively. I don't see that working out in our gameplan.

 

[Danny1]

Unfortunately for Dele, I think his off field businesses have taken his eye off his football. He has his property firm & also his promotions business that will take up some of his time. Yes he will most likely have managers who work for him but he still has significant other business interests outside of his football.

I can imagine it would be hard to maintain that same level of focus on the football if you also have these other things going on. I dont buy the playboy lifestyle thing that the media portray, as I think he is just a young lad enjoying his money. However, I think his fall from lofty heights is due to his other ventures.

 

[tiger666]

Unfortunately for Dele, I think his off field businesses have taken his eye off his football. He has his property firm & also his promotions business that will take up some of his time. Yes he will most likely have managers who work for him but he still has significant other business interests outside of his football.

I can imagine it would be hard to maintain that same level of focus on the football if you also have these other things going on. I dont buy the playboy lifestyle thing that the media portray, as I think he is just a young lad enjoying his money. However, I think his fall from lofty heights is due to his other ventures.

Loads of footballers have other ventures going on.

 

[spids]

I think for Dele to be a regular starter for Mourinho he would have to play in the role Lo Celso has been occupying whilst Dele has been injured (notably a period that saw us become much more solid defensively). One way to do this would be to pair Lo Celso and Hjobjerg as the CM pivot, and have Dele in front of them. This would make Dele key to our counter attacks and he would have to be able to move the ball much quicker than he has been in the last 12-18 months. However, he has shown he can do this previously, and he offers the biggest goal threat out of all of our current players from this 'number 10' position. The main problem is that there is not really any other player (other than Ndombele) who has the vision and ability to spick out the clever runs that Dele makes in the last third, maybe Lo Celso can do this.

Lloris
Aurier Toby Dier Davies
Hjoberg--Lo Celso
Moura-----Dele-----Son
Kane​

 

[Danny1]

Loads of footballers have other ventures going on.

I agree and as I said in the message I can imagine it is hard to maintain the focus on football. Some players will have the ability to keep that focus and others won't. It has happened time & time again in football so it could be happening to Dele. It's no different to people outside of football, I know a guy that has 4 different businesses and he is successful in all 4 but I know I couldn't do what he does as I've got my 1 business & that is enough for me.

If it's not that then I genuinely don't understand how a player who destroyed teams, nutmugged players for fun with his technique has turned into one that can barely make a 5 yard pass & has lost almost everything that made him the future of English football at one point.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Nobody hates him imo, its just a stick some fans use to beat others with in order to prove how much of an user fan they are. Some of them appear to believe that they are the arbiter of what a "proper" fan is

That’s really not the case. It’s just the most normally functioning adults are perplexed at what they assume are other normally functioning adults displaying such inability to exercise even a modicum of reason before

You can't just become Thomas Muller. I very much doubt he has the footballing intelligence and off the ball movement. He also wouldn't offer anything defensively.

Off the ball movement has been one of his biggest attributes.

 

[emiley heskey]

To be fair the article is 18 months old, and sprouts on basically what is said in the previous Video so nothing ground breaking at all.
The fact is we ALL know how effective Dele can be, however it depends on which Dele comes out to play.

Jose said it best when he first arrived. Is that Dele or his brother. It got a result. Maybe he needs to ask every game?

I'm just not sure what you are trying to say. Yes Dele is great at finding space. It's what he does when he is on song. Is he like Muller? No. Similar yes but not the same. Actually I doubt we will ever see a player the same as Thomas Muller. He is one of a kind.

For what its worth I think Dele's best position is a 10 in the 4-2-3-1 format. Caveat being, when he turns up.

Dele is not just number 10 ... He really is thomas muller prototype ... Dele alli will be best use if he plays in one of the right or left sided wing role or as a false 9 kinda role .... Dele will be wasted in number 10 role .. If we have one ball playing cm(lo celso/ndombele) and another tricky number 10( may be lamela, or someone like brooks who we have been linked with), and dele plays in left or right sided of harry kane, I think dele will blossom again ... The job of dele will be to stretch the pitch when we are in possession and in transition he needs to be the outlet for our midfielders to find and he can make final pass to son or kane depending on situation ... Dele Alli is a situational player like muller ... Don't let him hanging with the ball for too much time rather use him as an outlet in and outside the box and he will do his magic ...

Dele is not number 10 or number 8 and we will waste him if we play him in any of midfield role... Given moura or bergwjin needs rest and everyone is fit I would suggest this should be our front 6 :

Hojberg
Lo celso - winks/ndombele
Dele ali - kane - son

 

[Cochise]

Dele is the one player in our team who you can count on to always be looking to make runs into space. He's got some technical skills, just not in the same category as someone like Eriksen. As for stamina?? The man was one of the fittest in the team prior to all the hamstring injuries. Whether or not that is having a knock on affect I don't know, but he has got a good engine on him.

 

[dtxspurs]

he hasnt been awful, he just hasnt been the phenom we had for the first three seasons, and he's been injured a lot. still 3rd in goals and tied 3rd assists with fewer appearances. Only Son and Kane had a hand in more goals.

4 assists isn't much from a player that we have to shoe horn into the #10 spot.

Both Lucas & Bergwijn since they've joined have scored more goals than Dele.

 

[fortworthspur]

4 assists isn't much from a player that we have to shoe horn into the #10 spot.

Both Lucas & Bergwijn since they've joined have scored more goals than Dele.

in the past season Dele had more goals than Moura in 9 fewer appearances.

 

[double0]

4 assists isn't much from a player that we have to shoe horn into the #10 spot.

Both Lucas & Bergwijn since they've joined have scored more goals than Dele.

But Dele has scored more goals and assists then both combined in his Tottenham career.
For Dele to be fit and remain healthy would be massive for us.

 

[emiley heskey]

4 assists isn't much from a player that we have to shoe horn into the #10 spot.

Both Lucas & Bergwijn since they've joined have scored more goals than Dele.

Last season dele has more goals and assists than moura despite playing less

 

[DogsOfWar]

Our most effective front 4 is Son, Kane, and Moura/Steve with Dele playing the free role behind them.

If you look at their historical records they are quite capable of 60 odd goals between them, so if Jose can get them all fit and firing again he will line up like that.
And if he can set up a solid back 4 and central 2 to stop the opposition that's enough for top 4.

It won't be pretty but it's the most effective way to get back into the CL with limited expenditure.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

He reminds me of Coutinho at Liverpool in that he needs the entire team set up around him in a certain way for him to be at his most effective. And I don't know that he's good enough for us to countenance doing that. And yet we could probably get a decent amount for him in the transfer market.

I personally would sell

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

He reminds me of Coutinho at Liverpool in that he needs the entire team set up around him in a certain way for him to be at his most effective. And I don't know that he's good enough for us to countenance doing that. And yet we could probably get a decent amount for him in the transfer market.

I personally would sell

Best post of the day. For me Dele has not progressed from his early promise. Whether this is down to fitness, mindset or ability is a conundrum. Apart from his odd moments of brilliance I cannot remember many of those flicks and tricks ever creating a significant goal scoring opportunity in the last few seasons. Personally I would sell him before Lamela. Only problem is who would take him in the Prem? None of the top six. And if one team did would they meet Levy's transfer value demands?

 

[isaac94]

I would sell, but the question is who would buy?

 

[emiley heskey]

I would sell, but the question is who would buy?

Sabitzer

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Why would Sabitzer want to buy him though?

 

[Japhet]

I don't envy Mourinho trying to come up with a system that works and incorporates Dele tbh. For my money, he was best when he played on the left and at that time Son started most games on the bench. Son has now made that spot his own and Dele has struggled to replicate that form. I don't think he's a 10 in the sense of creating chances with clever passes, and I think he's too careless in possession to play further back. His inclusion in the team invariably leaves us weakened in CM, usually playing a CM2 who struggle to get ant control.

The only place that's really up for grabs is wide right, but Bergwijn has done well there and Jose loves Moura for his effort and work ethic. I struggle to see where Dele fits in other than a wild card off the bench (or possibly rotating with Son) but I can't see him being happy with that. If a really big offer came in I'd be very tempted to cash in but I'm sure plenty would disagree. I'd be intrigued to know where they think he'd fit in though.