Dele Alli at Everton

[Gilzeanking]

It was streotyping in the highest order pretty disgraceful really.



man it's going to be very tough for him changing opinions he is already penciled in for criticism regardless ... stopping the handshakes is an indication of where he's at mentally.

No , its not going to be tough , he needs to play well , thats all . You're talking as if Dele has been a major contributor to the team for the last year . Its obviously not true .
Look at the figures...if you won't look at the player on the field .

So the narrative here is that all the 5 neutral pundits are deluded in their assessment of Dele and all the solid Spurs fans here naysaying those neutral opinions are completely unbiased . OK , I've nothing further to add to the convo .

 

[heelspurs]

Maybe the manager should work out how to integrate then both in the team?

They used to play well enough together. Maybe it’s the tactics that are the problem. For me it’s easy, Son our wide on the left cutting in, Dele off Kane and getting as close as he possibly can to him. I bet we score more goals playing like that. We just need to get an industrious right back to bomb up and down the right to give us width that side.


Kane
Son Dele

Lo Celso Ndombele
(New DM)

I admire your backing of Dele. True fans recognize. I just hope @Streetspur77 comes here to back us up. This player just needs support in these tough times. He will come good and be banging them in by Christmas. And when he does these naysayers will be eating their words. Humble pie all around for these folks.

 

[double0]

No , its not going to be tough , he needs to play well , thats all . You're talking as if Dele has been a major contributor to the team for the last year . Its obviously not true .
Look at the figures...if you won't look at the player on the field .

So the narrative here is that all the 5 neutral pundits are deluded in their assessment of Dele and all the solid Spurs fans here naysaying those neutral opinions are completely unbiased . OK , I've nothing further to add to the convo .

What are you on about. Please don't twist my words.

 

[spursfan77]

Thought they were speaking a lot of conjecture to be honest, talking about need to be on time for training and get his head down, there's no evidence to suggest he's ever had disciplinary problems when it comes to training and applying himself. Does he need to kick on? Absolutely, he was a better player at 21 than he is at 23 and he needs to improve but quite frankly I felt they were judging him on the way he looks and broadly assuming things off of that than working with facts. Unintentional maybe but all that talk about applying himself, bringing up his childhood, turning up to training on time. They were all making a lot of broad assumptions.

Boardering on distasteful Daily Mail type lines, if you ask me.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Thought they were speaking a lot of conjecture to be honest, talking about need to be on time for training and get his head down, there's no evidence to suggest he's ever had disciplinary problems when it comes to training and applying himself. Does he need to kick on? Absolutely, he was a better player at 21 than he is at 23 and he needs to improve but quite frankly I felt they were judging him on the way he looks and broadly assuming things off of that than working with facts. Unintentional maybe but all that talk about applying himself, bringing up his childhood, turning up to training on time. They were all making a lot of broad assumptions.

Skys current bollocks on us is nothing new though, and let's not forget the same hatchet job was done on him when he supposedly had too much 'needle' to his game and it would take him off track ...

As ever there is truth in words, but it's how it's applied and when, this is just piling on a player coming back from a rough patch and injury.

I'll back a player who gives it his all and I thought he has in his last three outings which seems to be a bone of content among some of the fans/posters on here and the lack there of in our squad right now. I guess some players will never win.

 

[Gilzeanking]

This player just needs support in these tough times. He will come good and be banging them in by Christmas. And when he does these naysayers will be eating their words. Humble pie all around for these folks.

I think thats a tad confrontational HS . If Dele turns it round everyone will be delighted . At the moment tho' we have to look at the player's performances now and for the last year . We have to ask if another player at the club could contribute more on matchdays . ATM my opinion is yes . My loyalty is strictly to Spurs the club not any one player . I want the best for Spurs .

 

[heelspurs]

I think thats a tad confrontational HS . If Dele turns it round everyone will be delighted . At the moment tho' we have to look at the player's performances now and for the last year . We have to ask if another player at the club could contribute more on matchdays . ATM my opinion is yes . My loyalty is strictly to Spurs the club not any one player . I want the best for Spurs .

Apologies. It wasn't meant that way. It was my passion that got the best of me. I just think he's on the up judging by his past two performances. Red star he had the effort and some good moments of play and for Pool the effort was there. And that is better than some of the more languid performances earlier in the season. But TBF the whole team was lost and awful. I've got faith though. But in that I sure as heck didn't mean to suggest I was questioning your or anyone else's 'loyalty'. That would be awful.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Apologies. It wasn't meant that way. It was my passion that got the best of me. I just think he's on the up judging by his past two performances. Red star he had the effort and some good moments of play and for Pool the effort was there. And that is better than some of the more languid performances earlier in the season. But TBF the whole team was lost and awful. I've got faith though. But in that I sure as heck didn't mean to suggest I was questioning your or anyone else's 'loyalty'. That would be awful.

Yes , very true , I'd forgotten that moment (or was it Watford ? . For a short while anyway he was great, true. Then many of our players do look better away from Prem press/pressure . Anyway fingers crossed that our players find some form . They were terrible for bits of Pool match, but not bad in other moments. Same vs Bayern !! Lets hope we can do it throughout a match soon eh .

 

[Danny1]

I think with Dele we have seen moments of him getting back to his best. Against Bayern in the first half (30 mins) he was making his trademark runs, against Watford he was aswell and you could actually see him getting frustrated that the ball wasn't coming to him. Against Red Star I thought he played well, not brilliant but well and against Liverpool I saw a lot of effort and one of his trademark runs that Harry nearly picked out at the far post.

Dele is at his best when supporting Kane, like in that example, and they can feed off eachother very well. I personally dont think its any coincidence that Kanes goals have slowed slightly since Dele has been injured / played in different formations. He is a very good foil for Kane, much the same was as Firmino is for Salah & Mane (albeit a very different player to Firmino).

I'd love to see Dele back to his best, and given time I personally think he will. A strong DM with Ndombele & Lo Celso playing behind Kane, Son & Alli I think looks good.

 

[wrd]

I think with Dele we have seen moments of him getting back to his best. Against Bayern in the first half (30 mins) he was making his trademark runs, against Watford he was aswell and you could actually see him getting frustrated that the ball wasn't coming to him. Against Red Star I thought he played well, not brilliant but well and against Liverpool I saw a lot of effort and one of his trademark runs that Harry nearly picked out at the far post.

Dele is at his best when supporting Kane, like in that example, and they can feed off eachother very well. I personally dont think its any coincidence that Kanes goals have slowed slightly since Dele has been injured / played in different formations. He is a very good foil for Kane, much the same was as Firmino is for Salah & Mane (albeit a very different player to Firmino).

I'd love to see Dele back to his best, and given time I personally think he will. A strong DM with Ndombele & Lo Celso playing behind Kane, Son & Alli I think looks good.

Agree with this all, I think if we can get a proper DM then with some tactical nouse we can a way for Ndombele and Lo Celso to cover the midfield with Son and Dele supporting Kane and we can find a way to get one of those midfielders to cover the right side whilst Dele sits close to Kane in possesion and then out of possession switch to the 4-5-1.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I can remember over the last 3-4 years shouting at Aĺli in frustration for him to then pop up with a goal from nowhere. Now all I do is shout at Alli in despair

 

[dontcallme]

I can remember over the last 3-4 years shouting at Aĺli in frustration for him to pop up with a goal from nowhere Now all I do is shout at Alli in despair

I remember watching us play Palace. He had played really poorly and the match thread was full of people asking for him to be subbed.

I said at the time you don't take off your match winners when on top and chasing a goal.

At the moment I don't see him as a match winner.

 

[Kiedis]

We're just in a time where the team as a whole struggle and many tend to jump on that to critisize players they've always had it out for.

 

[dontcallme]

We're just in a time where the team as a whole struggle and many tend to jump on that to critisize players they've always had it out for.

Bit simplistic.

He had great potential and performed highly from the moment he joined. But it's hard to deny that for the last 18 months he hasn't progressed.

 

[wishkah]

i hope and wish he comes good.

but having followed him on insta, he's pissing me off with the amount of free shit he's endorsing. Wish he'd endorse a few goals and assists.

 

[Kiedis]

Bit simplistic.

He had great potential and performed highly from the moment he joined. But it's hard to deny that for the last 18 months he hasn't progressed.

Development wont always be linear (is that a word in english?), he had numerous great performances before his third(?) hamstring injury vs. Fulham last season. After that, he generally struggled after coming back, but even then, he's had games he's played well. I'd say he developed his game a lot during the course of the 17/18 season, followed it up (albeit with more inconsistency) in the first half of the 18/19 season, and has struggled a bit since.

 

[dontcallme]

Development wont always be linear (is that a word in english?), he had numerous great performances before his third(?) hamstring injury vs. Fulham last season. After that, he generally struggled after coming back, but even then, he's had games he's played well. I'd say he developed his game a lot during the course of the 17/18 season, followed it up (albeit with more inconsistency) in the first half of the 18/19 season, and has struggled a bit since.

Sure, I never expect continuous visible improvement.

Alli did well playing behind Kane and if I remember rightly he had our most assists for Kane in at least one season.

I also respect him for playing a deeper role and giving it a go despite it not reallyplaying to his strengths.

But Kane and Son have been playing well and working hard for the last 18 months. I can't say the about Alli. Not much visible improvement is one thing but the work rate and focus on the game doesn't appear to be present to the level it was before.

At the moment there is a concern that he is enjoying the lifestyle of the footballer ahead of wanting to play.

The injuries have hurt him but his attitude just seems a bit off and has been for a while.

Hopefully a blip and he's ready to get back to his best.

 

[yido_number1]

No , its not going to be tough , he needs to play well , thats all . You're talking as if Dele has been a major contributor to the team for the last year . Its obviously not true .
Look at the figures...if you won't look at the player on the field .

So the narrative here is that all the 5 neutral pundits are deluded in their assessment of Dele and all the solid Spurs fans here naysaying those neutral opinions are completely unbiased . OK , I've nothing further to add to the convo .

If you have watched him during that time you'll know he hasn't been fit since he got injured on the run into the world cup. He then tried to play through the injury and its effected him badly. Given time and enough rest he will be fine.

 

[ClintEastwould]

If you have watched him during that time you'll know he hasn't been fit since he got injured on the run into the world cup. He then tried to play through the injury and its effected him badly. Given time and enough rest he will be fine.

My issue with dele has never been his fitness or anything like that. It’s his game and always has been. I just don’t see what he he’s supposed to be good at besides making runs, getting on the end of things and the odd through ball to Kane. He’s basically a better version of Lingard but that’s not saying much as Lingard is abysmal.

 

[OPModric]

Hey @dontcallme,

You have been on this forum since 2005 and you have posted almost 16.000 messages.

You do think my comment from 2017 about Dele, "There is nothing special about him", is among the worst you ever seen on this forum apparently. It's so outrageous that you need to have it in your signature so you can remember my words forever.

Can you please enlighten me what's so special about him?