Dele Alli at Everton

[spursfan77]

weak comparisons.... Alli has already performed at a Great level.... salah and De Bruyne were purely potential at that stage.. lukaku wasn’t very good for United let’s be honest.

True. I was waiting for some lazy person to throw that one out there. He's probably not even spurs fan, just a mourinho hater.

 

[RikkiRocket]

Levy would hate to sell him in England and it’s bot a funds thing for me it’s more about wages so loan should work. I don’t want him to go I think there’s so many games he’ll prove himself.

shame really I know a relative of Dele and shehas the impression he feels spurs fans have turned on him, social media especially. I think Covid , lockdown and the lack of hearing the fans cheer for him leaves him probably reading a lot of negativity in social media. It’s very sad as at games I feel he’s the best supported player outside of Son.

he can blame everybody else as much as he wants. Think there is only one person to blame and that’s Dele himself. He’s taken his eye of the ball (literally) and is paying the price. Sad really as he has the talent.

 

[DanNolan]

Under Jose..... has he been bad..? I find this really strange to hear. Started on fire and played at a similar level to everyone else after son then joined Harry injured. Then played very well pre season ...

 

[spids]

Jose has said he has de-prioritised the Caraboa Cup, so if Dele starts in Thursday that is surely a sign he is still valued no?

 

[therealGlenn]

who can take him seriously with that minge oh his face though?

 

[DJS]

Agreed, totally and 100%

Totally disagree with that twitter user’s rather lazy post as with Dele Mourinho has lots of chances last season and he just hasn’t stepped up.

The position he plays he simply has to be scoring or involved with the set up or he’s just a waste of a spot, which sadly he was second half of last season in the main.

The ones they’ve mentioned were players he never really gave a chance to, completely different circumstances though.

Sad as it would be to lose him (and I’d much rather he did come good) if we sold him for a good amount and that meant we were on sounder financial footing being able to get new faces in due to the COVID-19 situation I would probably take the money right now.

 

[Phil-spur99]

Team is picked on merit and Son, Lamela, Bergwijn and Moura have all been better over the last 6-8 months.

I’m not sure about Moura. Yes, Amsterdam wrote him into club folklore but until the weekend he hadn’t scored in 22 games. That’s poor for one of your AMs.

 

[DJS]

who can take him seriously with that minge oh his face though?

I thought his hair looked quite impressive lately lol, although agree the bum fluff on the face isn’t that impressive.

Took me until thirties so be able to grow a proper beard too, wouldn’t have even bothered in my twenties as was just naff!

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

I'm content to get some cash for Alli now. The passage from Poch's book is quite prescient in my view. Alli hampers our style of play and hurts us trying to keep the ball. Unfortunately, the payback in putting up with that isn't what it was. I remember games in years gone by where his bit of magic masked an incredibly frustrating performance from him but we/me were willing to put up with it. But if those pieces of magic have gone and the workrate is no longer there then what are you left with?

Let him be somebody else's headache to work into their team.

 

[thekneaf]

If Dele leaves and goes completely KDB then full power to him, because evidence under 2 managers and 3 years say that's not happening here.

I really like Dele, I want him to succeed, but let's be honest, something hasn't been clicking for a while.

 

[Cochraam]

Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

The same reasons you think Lamela and Lucas are expendable are the reasons no other team wants them (getting old, high wages, injury issues, poor form, never been that great and an age where they've probably peaked).

We had ITK early that Lamela was free to go this window and... <crickets>

Dele, despite 2 years of rough form, may still have buyers close to our valuation, so he's found himself on the chopping block ahead of Lamela, Lucas, and Sissoko.

 

[double0]

very sad and i really liked Dele but in the recent two seasons he has been a bit of a passenger at times and rarely a game changer. I know the rest of the team has also not played well at points but even at the end of the season he was dropped and we were playing some good football. It does feel that what mourinho needs is somebody in the middle behind the striker with flair like lo celso,ndombele and lamela. I wonder if Alli goes if we replace him with somebody even like Cantwell who can play a few positions.

O my gosh did you put Cantwell and Dele Alli in the same sentence. That's the problem with so many Spurs supporters they don't appreciate certain players until they've gone. Kyle Walker used to get buried in here many people claimed we are a better team without Kane. Lets talk about the last two years many people seem to jump on the bandwagon about Dele curtailing. The whole team performance had steadily declined we failed to invest in the squad when we needed to due to lack of investments Kane Dele got slogged with games amounting with reoccurring injuries. Dele's suffered reoccurring hamstrings Kane Ankles in the case of Dele it was very hard on a players who has running and sprint stats like he does

If Dele has to go ahead ( I have come to the end of always defending him - he divides so much opinions) of certain players in our squad that offer nothing it will be a crying shame even the suggestion of Alli leaving to fund Skiniar doesn't sit at all well with me either. Mourinho is what he is no doubt a winner but I do question his method.

 

[Fidget]

HOw is he being treated? No one knows, unless you are a fly on the wall?

The majority of the posts that I am seeing are people gutted that he's potentially leaving, but that it's maybe the right time.

Maybe Jose has challanged him, challenged him to up his game, chamge it around, become a much better player (trainer), and perhaps, just perhaps, Dele isn't up to the challange?

It happens in any job. I've been Top performer in companies before, I got complacent, tailed off, was challenged, and didn't feel like I needed to be challenged. Then resentment sets in from me, I start to blame everything but myself. Then you realise that because you've been there a long time, other people are coming in since and performing much better, it's hard to turn it around. A new Challenge is needed.

This could be the reason, it could be Dele pushing for this because he needs new surroundings. BUt I won't say that it is, because I don't know.

Don’t know if he’s the type of character to go abroad and make it. He seems to have run out of desire for the game. Although I’m pissed with him, it’s mostly because he looked like he was gonna set the world alight along with Harry.
I would prefer for him to stay and make it with us.

 

[double0]

If Dele leaves and goes completely KDB then full power to him, because evidence under 2 managers and 3 years say that's not happening here.

I really like Dele, I want him to succeed, but let's be honest, something hasn't been clicking for a while.

Nor has the team not just Dele, Toby Lloris Winks Poch Rose Eriksen Dier etc in the last two years Son Sissoko possibly Kane have improved or maintained. Seeing that we are looking to transition maybe a move is what's needed however I would've liked for Dele to be given an opportunity to adjust

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm content to get some cash for Alli now. The passage from Poch's book is quite prescient in my view. Alli hampers our style of play and hurts us trying to keep the ball. Unfortunately, the payback in putting up with that isn't what it was. I remember games in years gone by where his bit of magic masked an incredibly frustrating performance from him but we/me were willing to put up with it. But if those pieces of magic have gone and the workrate is no longer there then what are you left with?

Let him be somebody else's headache to work into their team.

Yeah, I just feel like his time at the club has naturally run its course.

I have no hard feelings towards Dele and he's clearly a very talented player, but I feel he no longer suits our style of play and we look a better team when he's not on the pitch. He's not a natural CAM and both his dribble success rate and passing success rate are well below average for someone in that position playing for a top team (there's a reason 'FFS Dele' is a thing). He might get the odd goal or assist but for every one of those it feels like there are 20 moves that have broken down due to him overplaying, not moving the ball quickly enough, shooting weakly from range or running into trouble.

Even if he was still productive I still think he's become too much of a luxury player, especially in a Mourinho side where we simply can't afford to turn over possession cheaply. It's best for all parties that we move him on while he still has value and give him time to find a team that's actually willing to play him in his best position and build a team around him.

 

[mil1lion]

Would be sad to see him go as is song is one of my favorites.

We've got Skriniar
Milan Skriniar
I just don't think you understand
He only cost 40 mill plus add ons
He's better than Sebastien Bassong
We've got Milan Skriniar

 

[double0]

Yeah, I just feel like his time at the club has naturally run its course.

I have no hard feelings towards Dele and he's clearly a very talented player, but I feel he no longer suits our style of play and we look a better team when he's not on the pitch. He's not a natural CAM and both his dribble success rate and passing success rate are well below average for someone in that position playing for a top team (there's a reason 'FFS Dele' is a thing). He might get the odd goal or assist but for every one of those it feels like there are 20 moves that have broken down due to him overplaying, not moving the ball quickly enough, shooting weakly from range or running into trouble.

Even if he was still productive I still think he's become too much of a luxury player, especially in a Mourinho side where we simply can't afford to turn over possession cheaply. It's best for all parties that we move him on while he still has value and give him time to find a team that's actually willing to play him in his best position and build a team around him.

Can someone anyone tell me what our style of play is?

 

[luRRka]

I’m not sure about Moura. Yes, Amsterdam wrote him into club folklore but until the weekend he hadn’t scored in 22 games. That’s poor for one of your AMs.

And yet he's still scored more than Dele since he arrived

 

[Timberwolf]

Can someone anyone tell me what our style of play is?

Ok replace that with 'system' if you like.

The point I was trying to make was that we don't play with a second striker anymore, which is seemingly the only position Alli truly excels at. He's potentially world class in that position but neither Mourinho nor late-era Poch were willing to build a team around him, so he's been forced into a role where he's far less effective. Mourinho actually played him right up top with Kane for about 3 games when he first arrived and Dele looked amazing again (3 goals and 3 assists), but it caused us to be open AF so the experiment was swiftly abandoned.

We've persevered for long enough - at some point we have to just accept he's not a great no.10 and either relegate him to a squad role or sell him.

 

[vicbob]

If he does go, we are going to be slaughtered by the Red leaning media and pundits.
Can we play pundit bingo? I go for:
1) Selling club
2) No ambition
3) Paying off stadium
4) Selling to finance loan move for ageing Bale
5) Falling out with Jose
6) Jose let KDB etc etc go- can't work with young exciting players

Bet I get a full house within the first 1/2 hour of the news breaking on Talkshite