Dele Alli at Everton

[tiger666]

 

[nailsy]

He looked lost last night and I can't see him finding his way back into the team for a long time. He might get a chance again if we pick up injuries, but I think he's pretty much done here which is a shame after some of the brilliant moments he's given us, but you can't live off past glory.

He needs to play off of a target man to see the best of him now. He's at his best in and around the box. He doesn't fit in here anymore.

He was awesome for us when our system was to get the best out of him. That Tottenham doesn't exist anymore and he's the one who doesn't fit into the way we play now.

I'd rather sell him for a decent fee and bring in a top CB. It would benefit the team much more than even a peak form Dele as our system now wouldn't get the best of peak form Dele. I don't see peak form Dele happening here now though.

He'd probably do well at Burnley or Southampton.

 

[Gilzeanking]

He looked lost last night and I can't see him finding his way back into the team for a long time. He might get a chance again if we pick up injuries, but I think he's pretty much done here which is a shame after some of the brilliant moments he's given us, but you can't live off past glory.



He'd probably do well at Burnley or Southampton.

Not sure myself . Burnley tolerate slackers, yes ? I dunno where Dele can find a niche .

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

Thing is IF you are out of form and out of the team you do something about it. Bare minimum is maximum effort. Bust a gut to win the ball back, and at least you show the manager you want it. That isn't affected by what position you are being asked to play.

Dele is still meandering around like he rules the roost. Little output, accompanied by little effort equals a sure fire way to be moved on, and I can very much see this being the case now.

IF we can get some decent money for him, would make sense to sell him ASAP and reinvest the money in the defence.

 

[Rosco1984]

Didn’t think his effort or passes were too bad. But he fluffed 3 opportunities with wrong decisions and looked to be gassed by the end of the half. You can’t win with a player like that in the center of your attack. It still looks like he has no clue how to play vs a packed defense either.
Think his time with us will be coming to an end in the next 12 months or so.

They weren't wrong decisions they were a refusal to pass to Bale. Bale clean through on the left chance at a clear finish on his left foot that would have got him up and running and got his confidence going and Dele tries to reverse it between 5 players. That was a clear sign of petulance and bitterness at a bigger star coming in and putting his place under pressure. Not a team player.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I think maybe not having fans is also hindering Dele when opposition fans boo'd him etc he used to feed off it and I think he fed off our fans singing his name so maybe he's lost the adrenaline rush of having fans in the stadium which has made his form even worse.

I think if he was coming off the bench to a rousing sing of we've got Alli! We may see a different Dele.

But something is clearly not right mentally with him something has got a grip of him you do not go from being one of the worlds best young talents to this in such a short space of time he was an arrogant little bastard now he is a lost boy.

It seems like a chain of events with him and I really do think its the club responsibility to help him here.

1) His mother hitting the press with loads of shit about him
2) Then his dad hitting the press as well
3) He had a cheating issue with his girlfriend Ruby Mae they split then got back together
4) Hamstring Injury
5) He got burgled an help at knife point etc.
6) The Dier bromance has seemed to fade away and its rare to see Dele smiling these days.
7) He probably feels a little bullied by Jose - but its strange as he was the main man in Jose's early days

It all makes me think are we seeing a player struggling with his mental health, there is rumours swirling about him not being able to sleep etc as well its all a bit worrying.

I think us as fans also owe him some loyalty where we can try and gee him up although I think he is done here I want what's best for the kid as he really is a great guy.

 

[cjbyid]

Needs to learn to use the ball much much quicker, he kills the game/any attack with his numerous touches and slow passing.

The PSG move would've really suited him as he can get away with that in France.

Can't see a way back for him now, I do hope he regains some form like his early days somewhere, still so young!

 

[GutBucket]

Good player to have when we have lots of creativity, someone who can make use of his runs in the box. We are in trouble if we depend on his creativity sadly. It's just hard to find balance with him, if we play both Ndombele and Lo Celso then there is not much room for him. With Bergwijn being out of form maybe he gets opportunities if Son gets injured.

 

[rez9000]

They weren't wrong decisions they were a refusal to pass to Bale. Bale clean through on the left chance at a clear finish on his left foot that would have got him up and running and got his confidence going and Dele tries to reverse it between 5 players. That was a clear sign of petulance and bitterness at a bigger star coming in and putting his place under pressure. Not a team player.

You see, if he'd not shown a less-than-mature overall demeanour (let's say) over the last few months and in AON then I think we'd be more forgiving.

Obviously, we're not party to what precisely is going on, we can only draw vague conclusions. But there are just so many 'negative' signs and, right now, far too few positive ones to draw any other conclusion but that he just doesn't want to fit in on the professional side.

As a person, he seems pleasant enough, maybe a little childish, but that doesn't make him unpleasant.

But that slight childishness, the focus on social media, that little shade of petulance, although in-and-of-themselves not necessarily bad, do make it easier to believe that he deliberately didn't play an incisive pass to Bale, for instance.

If, say Kane hadn't played that pass, because of his general demeanour, the attitude he shows on the pitch, on the sidelines, in training, with his social media presence, we'd readily imagine that Kane simply didn't see him or thought there was a better option. But with Dele, we're more likely to accept a negative explanation, because it fits with a certain pattern of behaviour.

It makes me sad that Dele can't see that his public-facing persona as he's currently using it isn't doing him any favours, not because he should try and conform to what fans think a player should be, but because the unique combination he's expressing are causing an element of alienation and that's not good for his career.

 

[Dakes]

I think maybe not having fans is also hindering Dele when opposition fans boo'd him etc he used to feed off it and I think he fed off our fans singing his name so maybe he's lost the adrenaline rush of having fans in the stadium which has made his form even worse.

I think if he was coming off the bench to a rousing sing of we've got Alli! We may see a different Dele.

But something is clearly not right mentally with him something has got a grip of him you do not go from being one of the worlds best young talents to this in such a short space of time he was an arrogant little bastard now he is a lost boy.

It seems like a chain of events with him and I really do think its the club responsibility to help him here.

1) His mother hitting the press with loads of shit about him
2) Then his dad hitting the press as well
3) He had a cheating issue with his girlfriend Ruby Mae they split then got back together
4) Hamstring Injury
5) He got burgled an help at knife point etc.
6) The Dier bromance has seemed to fade away and its rare to see Dele smiling these days.
7) He probably feels a little bullied by Jose - but its strange as he was the main man in Jose's early days

It all makes me think are we seeing a player struggling with his mental health, there is rumours swirling about him not being able to sleep etc as well its all a bit worrying.

I think us as fans also owe him some loyalty where we can try and gee him up although I think he is done here I want what's best for the kid as he really is a great guy.

Good post. He's certainly talented, seemed to have a good head on his shoulders, and has a good heart. I remember the random low-key visits he did to people who were ill without any fanfare. He just seems a genuinely good lad. Personal issues are likely the cause for the dive in his football. It's such a shame. I hope he's able to pick himself up, whether with us or elsewhere. He's given us many good memories. That Crystal Palace goal will always be one of the best I've ever seen.

 

[Dakes]

I don't think he'll be able to adapt his game to the role required. Even at his best, he was never really a grafter. He would sort of float through a game mostly anonymously up until around the 65th/70th minute and then spring to life by pulling off a magical assist or goal, and the minutes up until that would be forgotten and he would seemed to have had a very good game. He's a talent, and when he has the free role, he'll kill it, as a luxury player.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Dele is playing with fear. He needs to hire Steve Peters or someone of his ilk

 

[rez9000]

Dele is playing with fear. He needs to hire Steve Peters or someone of his ilk

Who's Steve Peters?

EDIT: That sounds like the second-album title for a 70s prog-rock band. "Who's Steve Peters? Out now on vinyl!"

 

[dondo]

Dele needs to play as a 2nd striker imo as his all round game isn’t good enough as a midfielder.
Think it’s best to let him go in January now as he is not getting any minutes with us

 

[Gilzeanking]

Dele's game used to have a real naughty side in his best days...he was always winding up defenders and niggling .

This has totally disappeared . They used to say it was a part of his talent...mebbe they were right .

 

[thelak]

I think maybe not having fans is also hindering Dele when opposition fans boo'd him etc he used to feed off it and I think he fed off our fans singing his name so maybe he's lost the adrenaline rush of having fans in the stadium which has made his form even worse.

I think if he was coming off the bench to a rousing sing of we've got Alli! We may see a different Dele.

But something is clearly not right mentally with him something has got a grip of him you do not go from being one of the worlds best young talents to this in such a short space of time he was an arrogant little bastard now he is a lost boy.

It seems like a chain of events with him and I really do think its the club responsibility to help him here.

1) His mother hitting the press with loads of shit about him
2) Then his dad hitting the press as well
3) He had a cheating issue with his girlfriend Ruby Mae they split then got back together
4) Hamstring Injury
5) He got burgled an help at knife point etc.
6) The Dier bromance has seemed to fade away and its rare to see Dele smiling these days.
7) He probably feels a little bullied by Jose - but its strange as he was the main man in Jose's early days

It all makes me think are we seeing a player struggling with his mental health, there is rumours swirling about him not being able to sleep etc as well its all a bit worrying.

I think us as fans also owe him some loyalty where we can try and gee him up although I think he is done here I want what's best for the kid as he really is a great guy.

Lol. If you need someone to sing a song about you only costing £5m to get you playing you clearly havent got it anymore

the list of the chain of events you make without sounding harsh are just life

Millions out there with tough life circumstances

These are just excuses for a guy who was hungry - made it - got comfortable and now is less hungry combined with tactical shifts

plenty of footballers down the ages with similar arcs unfortunately. Our mistake was holding on too long as his value is a fraction of what it was

 

[punkisback]

Good post. He's certainly talented, seemed to have a good head on his shoulders, and has a good heart. I remember the random low-key visits he did to people who were ill without any fanfare. He just seems a genuinely good lad. Personal issues are likely the cause for the dive in his football. It's such a shame. I hope he's able to pick himself up, whether with us or elsewhere. He's given us many good memories. That Crystal Palace goal will always be one of the best I've ever seen.

Agree. I just think the biggest issue for him is putting in the extra technical training. His basic game is so lacking. If he takes time away from his brand to focus on this he will
Be able to contribute better. I don’t think he is bad guy or has an attitude issue, more he is unsure of where his priorities lie.

 

[kent brockman]

Dele needs to play as a 2nd striker imo as his all round game isn’t good enough as a midfielder.
Think it’s best to let him go in January now as he is not getting any minutes with us

Agreed. Think his problem is that there are not too many teams set up to accommodate that position.
I also suspect that Dele perhaps may consider the teams that could be interested to be beneath him.
Also not sure how many of those teams that would be willing to pay the 100k wages that he is currently on.

 

[thebenjamin]

To me this all traces back to the world cup when he pulled his thigh, an injury that should've kept him out for 4-6 weeks, and then came back a few days later and played 3 games in 6 days.

Then at the beginning of the next season he did his hamstring, then he came back and did his hamstring twice more that season.

Since then he's never had any zip in his legs at all. He never had any pace but he would explode into the box. Now he can barely get out of a jog. It's popular to say he just isn't trying but to me it looks like someone who's complete confidence in his body physically cannot do it any more, or believes he can't, which amounts to the same thing.

 

[VegasII]

Who's Steve Peters?

EDIT: That sounds like the second-album title for a 70s prog-rock band. "Who's Steve Peters? Out now on vinyl!"

Lol well sometimes we do play a bit long and slow in a prog rock style. We’re just missing Jose or Levy dressed up as Rick Wakeman.