ENIC...

[sausage]

Well for starters, the Brighton chairman was quoted on the record as saying Levy told him
“Daniel says this all grew from a feeling that Uefa simply doesn’t listen to us as a League....He believes the big clubs deserve more respect and more money.”

I think the phrase 'spurious' is generous here. You're using an indirect reference to attribute blame.

He could well have believed that bigger clubs deserve respect and a larger slice, but the 'feeling that Uefa simply doesn’t listen to us as a League' isn't an owned view, or indeed directly related to the ESL.


I could have the view that the government is useless and needs changing, and should listen to people more. It wouldn't mean I was plotting to be the next Guy Fawkes


to counter:

Who was behind the Super League? Who were the key architects of the league?

A small group of rich owners, chairmen and presidents of Europe's top clubs plotted the launch of the European Super League only to see the project collapse within days

www.mirror.co.uk

"Florentino Pérez, the president of Real Madrid, was the ESL’s first and last chairman, and was the key driver behind the project.
He had vice-chairs in Andrea Agnelli, the chairman of Juventus and Joel Glazer, the former co-chairman at Man Utd."

What is the European Super League and who is behind the plan?

As the situation continues to develop, with disagreements on the part of major European leagues and UEFA, here is everything you need to know about what exactly is being proposed as part of the European Super League.

www.si.com

"Liverpool’s John W. Henry, Manchester United's Joel Glazer, Arsenal's Stan Kroenke, and Juventus' Andrea Agnelli will all take up positions as vice-chairmen of the league."

 

[Hazelton]

No doubt we're struggling with money due to the stadium and the pandemic but the fact is that if we'd gradually improved the team when we should have done, before COVID and before the stadium was even built, we wouldn't need such a massive squad overhaul now. We've cocked this right up and even though nobody could have predicted the pandemic, the quality of the current squad has culminated from penny pinching long before that.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

I think the phrase 'spurious' is generous here. You're using an indirect reference to attribute blame.

He could well have believed that bigger clubs deserve respect and a larger slice, but the 'feeling that Uefa simply doesn’t listen to us as a League' isn't an owned view, or indeed directly related to the ESL.

Starting to talk at cross purposes here.

The evidence is that Levy/ENIC were fully members of the plot, and that any statement that they were not part of the discussions and it was a "take it or leave it" offer is clearly false.

Whether other clubs were keener on the idea, doesn't really matter. Levy sided with the plotters. He joined the grubby gang. That is what matters.

 

[sausage]

Starting to talk at cross purposes here.

The evidence is that Levy/ENIC were fully members of the plot, and that any statement that they were not part of the discussions and it was a "take it or leave it" offer is clearly false.

Whether other clubs were keener on the idea, doesn't really matter. Levy sided with the plotters. He joined the grubby gang. That is what matters.

Not really - you've just moved the goalposts:

Levy was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the superleague and was encouraging the others to go for it

That's completely different from arguing whether that the club were "part of the discussions".

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Not really - you've just moved the goalposts:

haha oh dear, really have not. Check the thread, I was responding to someone saying it was "take it or leave it" and implying Levy hadn't been involved in the plot.

 

[sausage]

haha oh dear, really have not. Check the thread, I was responding to someone saying it was "take it or leave it" and implying Levy hadn't been involved in the plot.

I didn't quote them - I challenged you to provide some sort of evidence for your assertion of:

Informed journalists, protagonists in the breakaway as sources, sayin Levy was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the superleague and was encouraging the others to go for it

That was the pivot point to this particular thread I pulled on. Not the point at the beginning of this.

You can't invent evidence and expect it to be immune to being challenged - not least whilst demanding that others should do so to disprove it.

 

[HodisGawd]

That is quite a forensic take-down. Ouch. Do we have Kier Starmer in the house?

 

[muel]

I'm a it of a data analysis nerd as it's a big part of my job.

I would absolutely love to know if there is any correlation between professional experience and support (or simply understanding) in Levy/Enic.

I certainly think my opinion on them is grounded in that.

To be clear I'm not suggesting there is a valid/invalid right or wrong view. If someone runs a business and supports them it may very well be that they're also a 'wank gibbon' to steal a phrase.

I'm just curious

EDIT: I'm not suggesting to derail this thread by answering that question just thinking out loud

 

[Saoirse]

Looking forward to Dear Leader buying a new young RB, comfortable on the ball, at least the second best in the squad and competition for Airier, with the flexibility to backup two other positions, experience in a top European league and of winning a major European trophy, for £13m.

I won't hold my breath. Agreeing to this clause was farcical.

 

[DJS]

Aside from a small number of positive spells since beginning of nineties we a banter club.

We were a banter club under Sugar and Enic have continued it.

 

[DogsOfWar]

I'm a it of a data analysis nerd as it's a big part of my job.

I would absolutely love to know if there is any correlation between professional experience and support (or simply understanding) in Levy/Enic.

I certainly think my opinion on them is grounded in that.

To be clear I'm not suggesting there is a valid/invalid right or wrong view. If someone runs a business and supports them it may very well be that they're also a 'wank gibbon' to steal a phrase.

I'm just curious

EDIT: I'm not suggesting to derail this thread by answering that question just thinking out loud

Without a doubt.
For example, most fans have an issue with Levy having to micro manage/sign everything off.
I've been involved with a few big turnover companies and they all have Chairman/board sign off on any expenditure over a certain level. My current company has it at £100,000. So, in football terms, that would be every transfer, first team member of staff etc, so standard practice.
then any project of this cost has to have a solid justification and payback. So again, in football terms, a £50 million thirty five year old is unlikely to be employed compared to a £15 million twenty year old. Unless you could guarantee CL qualification for a couple of season's to create the payback. Once more this is standard practice, not just Levy being a busy f**ker.

What Levy does is run Tottenham as any other Chairman would run a half billion pound business.
Unfortunately this means fairly risk averse, budget driven, financial growth based decisions which aren't always in line with what we want, ie, first team success.

At this point I have also been involved in a few companies who went to the wall based on poor management, sales, and financial decisions so I understand how and why the business model is what it is even if I don't always like it.

 

[DiVaio]

Looking forward to Dear Leader buying a new young RB, comfortable on the ball, at least the second best in the squad and competition for Airier, with the flexibility to backup two other positions, experience in a top European league and of winning a major European trophy, for £13m.

I won't hold my breath. Agreeing to this clause was farcical.

Hmm? The price for Foyth could be higher but I'm pretty sure people wanted Levy to back the manager and it's clear that Mourinho wouldn't use him.

 

[Saoirse]

Hmm? The price for Foyth could be higher but I'm pretty sure people wanted Levy to back the manager and it's clear that Mourinho wouldn't use him.

Was also pretty clear that Jose wasn't a long term manager. The loan's fine, the clause was stupid.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Was also pretty clear that Jose wasn't a long term manager. The loan's fine, the clause was stupid.

Mourinho was the second consecutive manager not to trust Foyth with a regular starting place in the first team. Can't blame Levy for agreeing to sell Foyth for a decent price (in the middle of a global pandemic).

 

[sausage]

Mourinho was the second consecutive manager not to trust Foyth with a regular starting place in the first team. Can't blame Levy for agreeing to sell Foyth for a decent price (in the middle of a global pandemic).

We also don't know how much the loan fee was, and if there are any clauses (buy back, sell on, etc).

I expect it's more likely to be nearer £20m minimum, with saved wages, loan fee, then the permanent fee.

 

[spursfan1991]

Patriachi, now fonseca imminent, Spurs really have fallen badly.

Spurs never shopped at Harrods or Waitrose, occasionally we bought players or managers from those stores when the items were in the clearance section (jose, bale). We were more of a tesco, aldi type shopper, looking for bargains at good prices. Now we cant even shop there, we get our clothes from Oxfam and our food from the food bank.

 

[Zaphod]

I can’t help but think how much of this whole current anti levy feeling could have been avoided if there was greater communication between the board and the fans. Not the corporate ‘we are sorry that you're upset’ drivel we’re served up at the end of the season but genuine communication. I don’t expect in depth discussions of the state of contracts or finances but an occasional insight as to why the club are making their decisions.
We might not agree with those decisions but at least we’d be able to debate them with a grounding of the thought process behind them.

 

[shelfboy68]

Patriachi, now fonseca imminent, Spurs really have fallen badly.

Spurs never shopped at Harrods or Waitrose, occasionally we bought players or managers from those stores when the items were in the clearance section (jose, bale). We were more of a tesco, aldi type shopper, looking for bargains at good prices. Now we cant even shop there, we get our clothes from Oxfam and our food from the food bank.

I think the naming rights should be the Lidl stadium.

 

[shelfboy68]

I can’t help but think how much of this whole current anti levy feeling could have been avoided if there was greater communication between the board and the fans. Not the corporate ‘we are sorry that you're upset’ drivel we’re served up at the end of the season but genuine communication. I don’t expect in depth discussions of the state of contracts or finances but an occasional insight as to why the club are making their decisions.
We might not agree with those decisions but at least we’d be able to debate them with a grounding of the thought process behind them.

They are not interested in us Levy's statement was and remains a slimy but failed attempt at PR just before renewal time it was fake and shallow like him.

 

[jurgen]

I can’t help but think how much of this whole current anti levy feeling could have been avoided if there was greater communication between the board and the fans. Not the corporate ‘we are sorry that you're upset’ drivel we’re served up at the end of the season but genuine communication. I don’t expect in depth discussions of the state of contracts or finances but an occasional insight as to why the club are making their decisions.
We might not agree with those decisions but at least we’d be able to debate them with a grounding of the thought process behind them.

Levy is corporate guff personified.. don’t expect anything different.