Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread - FA Cup Rd 5

[shelfboy68]

Went to sleep before extra time and dreamt that we won. Woke up this morning in a great mood, checked my football app, saw we lost and it ruined my whole fucking day. Cheers Hugo, Pierre and all the rest of you non performers.

Was you really surprised though

 

[TheTanguy]

Was you really surprised though

Lad expects Spurs to win it in extra time or after penalties SMH

 

[Serpico]

No one is criticising the ref-I thought he was very poor. He made mistake after mistake. A ref should be present and not seen-he was too involved. The booking for Alli was ridiculous and the Penalty against us was misinterpreted. For me he was out of his depth and never had control. After playing advantage for us (Kane fouled), Everton won the ball back and attacked. Kane then found an Everton player. Once the ball went out of play, the ref booked each player?

 

[Goobers]

Still so down...

 

[RickyVilla]

Was you really surprised though

Well yes I was as I thought the dream was real.

 

[shelfboy68]

Well yes I was as I thought the dream was real.

Good for you for believing in dreams mate.

 

[Monkey boy]

Went to sleep before extra time and dreamt that we won. Woke up this morning in a great mood, checked my football app, saw we lost and it ruined my whole fucking day. Cheers Hugo, Pierre and all the rest of you non performers.

Wait til you see Harry Winks cameo, it'll send you over the edge!

 

[RickyVilla]

Wait til you see Harry Winks cameo, it'll send you over the edge!

Gonna pass on that then, which is an action I've seen him have a lot of trouble with.

 

[Monkey boy]

No one is criticising the ref-I thought he was very poor. He made mistake after mistake. A ref should be present and not seen-he was too involved. The booking for Alli was ridiculous and the Penalty against us was misinterpreted. For me he was out of his depth and never had control. After playing advantage for us (Kane fouled), Everton won the ball back and attacked. Kane then found an Everton player. Once the ball went out of play, the ref booked each player?

One or two people have commented but not as many as i thought would. The Everton penalty and then not to give ours are up there with two of the more ridiculous decisions that we've had go against us. Not just that though, he let them get away with fouling us all the time, his time keeping was baffling and he just had no want or desire to give us anything all night.

That said Sanchez probably should have given a penalty away with his needlessly ridiculous shove which was more blatant than the one he did get penalised for against Man Utd.

 

[Mate]

Everyone is so touchy over Kane but I can't name a single time we've been knocked out of a cup where we could all say "At least Harry gave it everything." He always disappoints when its on the line

Mate just be grateful we have a player of his quality at our club right now

 

[Serpico]

One or two people have commented but not as many as i thought would. The Everton penalty and then not to give ours are up there with two of the more ridiculous decisions that we've had go against us. Not just that though, he let them get away with fouling us all the time, his time keeping was baffling and he just had no want or desire to give us anything all night.

That said Sanchez probably should have given a penalty away with his needlessly ridiculous shove which was more blatant than the one he did get penalised for against Man Utd.

He let down both sides.

 

[DCSPUR64]

Went to sleep before extra time and dreamt that we won. Woke up this morning in a great mood, checked my football app, saw we lost and it ruined my whole fucking day. Cheers Hugo, Pierre and all the rest of you non performers.

A bit harsh, PEH has given us his heart and soul this season.
He made a mistake against Everton but Winks and Doherty beats the lot.

 

[homer hotspur]

Still so down...

The fact Everton (in lieu of us) drew City helps a little bit.....

 

[shelfboy68]

The fact Everton (in lieu of us) drew City helps a little bit.....

Just a bit

 

[TheTanguy]

The fact Everton (in lieu of us) drew City helps a little bit.....

1-5 humiliation at Goodison

 

[wirE]

Winks had a bad day at the office yesterday and he’s eager to show himself good for the team. Things can slip up sometimes being under pressure and lack of regular football ain’t doing him any good. The audience in here is divided and I get that, but the abuse is not a good read. Once a Spurs player always a Spurs player (except of Sol)

 

[1966]

Everyone is so touchy over Kane but I can't name a single time we've been knocked out of a cup where we could all say "At least Harry gave it everything." He always disappoints when its on the line

He was a backup plan. From how he set up, it looked like he had specific instructions to conserve energy, suggesting that putting him on was not a desirable event. Of course, there's also the fact that he's probably not 100% fit atm. I say that because WBA was a very early return and it stands to reason that he probably wasn't ready for 120+ minutes in three days. Last night just makes a poor measuring stick, like the CL final.

I don't really agree with the rest either though. It seems like selective memory based on the outcome and a very small number of events. You don't mention the many cup ties in which Kane changed the result almost (or completely) singlehandedly, which would completely nullify the point. Extrapolating from "whenever Spurs lose a cup tie, Kane didn't do his best" leads to "Spurs always need Kane to perform his best in order to win a cup tie", which is a lot to put on any player.

 

[1966]

This is pretty much what I've been screaming in my head for months!

My message to the targets of jeremy's ire is: you should take a long hard look at yourselves and ask if you're not letting your personal dislike motivate your thinking. There are lots of football professionals I don't like, e.g. Mason Mount. The thought of his existence makes me want to puke. I really, really detest him. But I don't call him a shit player. My dislike is completely irrational, but I retain enough rationality to know that it's irrational and leave myself able to judge him according to what he does, not what I might think he is. Our manager, whoever he happens to be deserves that, at the very least.

I don't seek to delegitimise what Mount does well simply because I don't like him. Firstly because all I'm doing is deluding myself; secondly, I gain no advantage from it; and thirdly, it demonstrates a lack of integrity. If that's all fine for some, there's very little one can say. But it's not honest, it's not constrctive and it's certainly not admirable.

I'm not picking on you @L.S.U.Yiddo - just that your post is gleefully taken up as evidence of a failing, when in actual fact it's not as black and white as some would like to believe:



Setting up defensively may invite more pressure, however, what it also does is give you a greater chance of recovering from a defensive mistake, because your other defenders are closer at hand. That's important because if you know that your defenders are prone to errors, what do you want: your other defenders spread further up the pitch leaving the mistake-maker isolated and giving you pretty much no chance of recovering from the mistake or at least give yourself an outside chance of recovery by having someone closer at hand?

It's actually a false assertion, because then the logical conclusion of 'if you defend, you invite pressure' is actually to play with no defenders, right? Put all eleven players in the offensive third and you'd never concede, right? No. That's absurd. You need to have some form of defence and if your defence is fundamentally weak you don't assist that defensive frailty by leaving it exposed. You try to mitigate it.



I've quoted you @dbspurs because I agree and there's food for thought in there.

I think we've played the former recently because the players started to get all pissy and moany about playing the latter, leading to us getting beaten in the latter and so Jose instituted the former. And then we got beat again.

You're 100% right, in my view, that the player's mentality has let them down. They need to STFU, knuckle down, listen to what the manager is asking them to do and endure playing in a way they may not like, so that when he's had the chance to fully mould the team into what he wants, they can then start playing in a way they do like. And if, because of our chairman, he doesn't get the chance to fully mould the team, he at least is giving them an outside chance of winning something.

I'm hoping that everyone (fans, players and, please God, the chairman) will have all the evidence they need as to:

Why Dele has not justified a starting place;
Why Winks is not justified a starting place; and
Why everyone needs to listen to a manager because he may just know what he's doing.

My message to the players would be: stop getting in the manager's way and maybe, just maybe, he'll help you win some bleeding silverware.

Interesting post. Why do you hate Mount so much though? Of all the players in the PL, there are some much better targets, like literal murderer Marcos Alonso.

 

[Montalbano]

Winks had a bad day at the office yesterday and he’s eager to show himself good for the team.

You sure he’s eager? More often than not it seems like he just kicks up a fuss or moans to the media when things haven’t gone his way.

 

[RickyVilla]

A bit harsh, PEH has given us his heart and soul this season.
He made a mistake against Everton but Winks and Doherty beats the lot.

I agree. He has been great but was not good today. Just having a rant. No worries.