Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[rossdapep]

Won nowt, played Son at Left back in a cup semi final after facing out with Kyle Walker, played a half fit (feeling generous) Kane in said CL final at the expense of a red hot Lucas.

Couldn’t get a tune out of Soldado, Fazio, Janssen, Chadli despite being a great coach of players.

Told the world he would leave Spurs if we won the CL. Constantly flirted with bothe the United and Madrid jobs.

Never ever bought a faaacking back up player for Eriksen.

We will be tearing our hair out again if he comes back, gets us to the business end and then starts in centre mid the modern day equivalents of Winks and Sissoko - in a faaacking CL final, Winks and Sissoko

I don't want Poch back now but a few things.

Fucked up in semis/finals yes. But he also didn't have many options off the bench.

Those players you mentioned were simply ill-suited to PL football, he was right to ditch. A coach doesnt get everything right.

He shouldn't have spoken about that and it was silly to do. All I'll say is he was probably trying to get Levy to commit knowing he'd tried everything before.

I recall one interview where he said the club needed to act bigger but he was much more upbeat about it. By the CL final he had probably realised it was not gonna happen. Also we know how emotional he is.

Don't think the back up to Eriksen is on him, he repeatedly said we need a rebuild and he surely included an Eriksen replacement in that.

 

[rossdapep]

Does he play differently because he's a loan signing rather than a permanent one?

No, but the point is when you make a big CB signing it's intent to show that this is the guy who will be a mainstay in the team. A loan signing means there will be uncertainty whether they stay or not.

For example, Odegaard permanently signed for Arsenal has been better than Odegaard on loan for Arsenal.

It tells everyone, this is my guy and we trust him.

 

[Clockspur]

And drop Kulu to nudge him into the lineup. And persist with Sonny.

And drop Kulu to nudge him into the lineup. And persist with Sonny.

Richarlison - never scored more than 10 in a season in the Prem.

That Chelsea team had also just won the league before the Leicester season, when Mourinho executed his whole scorched-earth policy. They brought in Kante and Alonso that season. Very important signings, yes, but they had a title-winning core already. City's squad was probably better, but that was also Pep's first year here.

At Inter, they definitely had the best squad the year they won it. And they spent a lot to get it. That's never going to be us

why can’t it be us, we’re richer than Inter. That Chelsea squad had Batshuayi as its back up striker.

Alonso was a good signing - but was not seen that way at the time. Kante cost them £25m - not mega money.

I would never want to be owned by some like Roman, however as a football club owner purely he was very very good - his key attribute being he was decisive - the absolute opposite of dithering Dan the man without a long term plan

 

[Spurzinho]

We won't fire Conte, too expensive. We'll just trundle along until the end of the season, not extend his contract, then start again. There will be loads of noise about how we are going to back the new manager (Poch), but it won't materialise, and then 2 years down the line Lloris will still be there throwing the ball in his own net, with Dier and Sanchez still shitting themselves every time the ball comes near them, and Son and Kane scooting around in wheelchairs up top.

Not really. He's on £15m a year with just this year left on his contract. Any severance package will be less than the full £15m. Plus at this rate we're not going to make the Champions League for next season which will have a negative financial impact on the club.

Whatever the club are going to do I hope they do it soon because this window passing as a stalemate would be a f*cking nightmare. Conte would get increasingly stroppy, the players would get increasingly disinterested and the fans are going to get more and more angry.

 

[rossdapep]

The only one we have any knowledge of not wanting to come is Bastoni.

Im certain we could have lured some decent defenders this summer but it would have cost a lot. Fundamentally that’s what this all comes down to - would Levy have paid £70m for VVD like the Scousers did? I know the answer. At some point to win things you have to be brave and back the manager with a signing like that, it makes all the difference in the world.

We already know that though cause we made a move for Skriniar but baulked at the fee.

 

[rossdapep]

frankly today perfomance made Nuno's 1-0 home wins look like Real Madrid

no it didn't lol

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

This post must have the one of highest amount of ‘winner’ creds!

 

[Clockspur]

Does he play differently because he's a loan signing rather than a permanent one?

The mind set is different for sure - we have no real incentive to improve the player over the long term - all three does is help Barcelona.

Does Lenglet care about what happens to Spurs at the end of this season - I doubt it, he won’t be here.

so I would it had an effect - do you think it doesn’t?

 

[Clockspur]

frankly today perfomance made Nuno's 1-0 home wins look like Real Madrid

What about the 3-0 loss to United or the 3-1 dressing down we got at the scum?

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

No, but the point is when you make a big CB signing it's intent to show that this is the guy who will be a mainstay in the team. A loan signing means there will be uncertainty whether they stay or not.

For example, Odegaard permanently signed for Arsenal has been better than Odegaard on loan for Arsenal.

It tells everyone, this is my guy and we trust him.

There's a hell of a lot of goalpost-moving going on here. In the summer, most people seemed to agree it made sense as a low-risk move with high upside if it came off, and now it's yet another stick to attempt to beat the board with

 

[RuskyM]

The problem is Dier, Sanchez, Sessegnon and Emerson. The thing is, none of those started today. So either the squad is so perplexingly bad that we can't expect anymore (in which case, why would throwing more money at it help given how much we've spent in recent years?) or the manager should be doing more.

The squad might not win us the league, but that's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for us to not go behind in ten consecutive games, conceding at least two goals in the last six, and be outplayed by basically every team we've faced this season. It's not *that* bad.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

The mind set is different for sure - we have no real incentive to improve the player over the long term - all three does is help Barcelona.

Does Lenglet care about what happens to Spurs at the end of this season - I doubt it, he won’t be here.

so I would it had an effect - do you think it doesn’t?

Did it have an effect on Romero or Kulusevski?

 

[rossdapep]

I think the issue sounds like Levy is the one deciding who the budget is spent on

Can see it now.

Poch comes back. First summer window.

Levy: So we can get A, B, C or D?
Poch: I want A, he fits my system best.
Board of Director 1: I think D is best.
Board of Director 2: C is my option.
Levy: B it is then!!

Poch: But I had assurances!?

 

[Clockspur]

I don't want Poch back now but a few things.

Fucked up in semis/finals yes. But he also didn't have many options off the bench.

Those players you mentioned were simply ill-suited to PL football, he was right to ditch. A coach doesnt get everything right.

He shouldn't have spoken about that and it was silly to do. All I'll say is he was probably trying to get Levy to commit knowing he'd tried everything before.

I recall one interview where he said the club needed to act bigger but he was much more upbeat about it. By the CL final he had probably realised it was not gonna happen. Also we know how emotional he is.

Don't think the back up to Eriksen is on him, he repeatedly said we need a rebuild and he surely included an Eriksen replacement in that.

Yeah I don’t want to knock Poch, my post was more along the lines of nothing will be different under him this time around and most of the short comings will be because of Levy/Enic like they were before.

Poch made a concerted Effort to get Levy more involved in the CL season - bringing him on the pitch around the player pre and post match - but it still didn’t work, Levy just didn’t commit the necessary funds.

I just can’t be arsed with another 4/5 years of false dawns when giving Conte £100m/£200m now will likely lead to some success

 

[ralphs bald spot]

What about the 3-0 loss to United or the 3-1 dressing down we got at the scum?j

give us a break of course Nuno was a disaster but today was just as bad as either of those two

 

[Clockspur]

We already know that though cause we made a move for Skriniar but baulked at the fee.

Well exactly, maybe that was our VVD moment and as expected Levy shat his pants that it might cost him his gold plated Khazi in the west wing of his back up yacht

 

[Clockspur]

There's a hell of a lot of goalpost-moving going on here. In the summer, most people seemed to agree it made sense as a low-risk move with high upside if it came off, and now it's yet another stick to attempt to beat the board with

It was fine as a stop gap, certainly better than nothing. The complaint isn’t that Lenglet isn’t good enough, it’s that we look like we’re not going to follow up on that by permanently buying the defenders the club NEED - not want, but absolutely 100%, difference between success and failure NEED

 

[Clockspur]

The problem is Dier, Sanchez, Sessegnon and Emerson. The thing is, none of those started today. So either the squad is so perplexingly bad that we can't expect anymore (in which case, why would throwing more money at it help given how much we've spent in recent years?) or the manager should be doing more.

The squad might not win us the league, but that's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for us to not go behind in ten consecutive games, conceding at least two goals in the last six, and be outplayed by basically every team we've faced this season. It's not *that* bad.

Those guys start games - think how bad the back up players are

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

It was fine as a stop gap, certainly better than nothing. The complaint isn’t that Lenglet isn’t good enough, it’s that we look like we’re not going to follow up on that by permanently buying the defenders the club NEED - not want, but absolutely 100%, difference between success and failure NEED

Because we've not made a move on Day 1 of the window?

 

[Clockspur]

The problem is Dier, Sanchez, Sessegnon and Emerson. The thing is, none of those started today. So either the squad is so perplexingly bad that we can't expect anymore (in which case, why would throwing more money at it help given how much we've spent in recent years?) or the manager should be doing more.

The squad might not win us the league, but that's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for us to not go behind in ten consecutive games, conceding at least two goals in the last six, and be outplayed by basically every team we've faced this season. It's not *that* bad.

The real issue is that Poch bought some of those defenders, Jose bought some, Nuno bought some and Conte has loaned 1. Defence is all about systems, that lack of continuity in style when buying will cripple most teams.

only one bald man to blame for that