Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[mil1lion]

Them to invite pressure more like.

As for Jose and Nuno, very much so on their behalf too.

On last one, appointing completely unsuitable men of yesterday.

(Poch was just his span running out (partly due lack of changes in squad), cue to 7h seasons of Kloppo everywhere). Different thing compared to these messiahs of negativity.

Sorry but this is his style, it's called counter attacking football. Whether we enjoy it as fans is another matter but the players have to follow the instructions of the manager. If we go 3-1 up away from home and he switches to a more defensive set up then the players have to be capable of following instructions. To be fair our away form has been shocking so he obviously wanted to defend and secure the win. The players didn't show any fight though and that's on them. It's not the manager it's the players and always has been. It's on them when they don't show up for cup games and show no passion or desire to win. Too many players are comfortable playing for Spurs. They get paid big money to finish in a good position in the table with no demand to succeed. Its like Conte said they don't want to play under pressure and expectation.

These so called outdated manager only become outdated at Spurs apparently. They win everywhere else but we just happen to have this knack for picking them at just the time when their expiration date has come up. I can pretty much predict what happens next. A new manager will come in, the players will start doing well to prove Conte was wrong, then they will soon drop back to old habits and start coasting again, the manager will fall put with them, the players will revolt and cry to Levy who in turn will sack the manager. The saga continues.

 

[pangtong]

Fans do this weird thing when this sort of situation occurs when they presume that the players they specifically don't like (in this case probably Dier, Davies, Sanchez etc...) are the ones turning against the manager. So the line is 'get these players out' but I bet if we found out which players actually want Conte gone those saying this would change their tune. Its like when we were told by ITK that Kane was actually one of those who believed Poch had to go in 2019. At this point though I'd assume 80% of the squad want him out considering he slammed them publicly and called them all selfish.

I think Kane has more sway than most people think. I reckon they listened to him regarding Poch getting sacked, they listened to him in hiring Mourinho. He's our star player and if he says "I'll stay if X happens", I think Levy's the kind of guy to act on it. I don't believe Kane would be the one to ask for Conte to get booted though, as he probably plans on leaving this summer himself anyways.

 

[Albertbarich]

Twitter detectives have Dier as prime suspect of who's responsible for leaks... When I would say all the "clues" should show that he's one of the least likely

I think it's all become rather childish.

When people work together they inevitably moan and bitch about their superiors.

Now if there is someone constantly in Levy's ear then fair enough but if as I suspect Levy and others are doing their job and are keeping their ear to the ground about squad morale and the behaviour of his management team then that's standard work stuff.

The squad has seen huge upheaval so I don't think it's one or two bad apples ruining everything since Poch but rather we are making the wrong decisions which keeps leading to an unhappy camp.

 

[Styopa]

These so called outdated manager only become outdated at Spurs apparently. They win everywhere else but we just happen to have this knack for picking them at just the time when their expiration date has come up. I can pretty much predict what happens next. A new manager will come in, the players will start doing well to prove Conte was wrong, then they will soon drop back to old habits and start coasting again, the manager will fall put with them, the players will revolt and cry to Levy who in turn will sack the manager. The saga continues.

Which players? Kane could well be gone. Dier, Sanchez and Lloris also only have a year left on their contracts so could well leave.

 

[parj]

Not sure if he was saying that before Poch got fired, but that was his pitch for the job. Of course, once he actually started working with them, he realised that he was wrong.

I thought there was ITK that it was before he got sacked

 

[jpascavitz]

Once again, taking some time off of social media and checking here occasionally I just keep coming back to the fact that there's multiple sides to this argument and everyone is to blame in some capacity:

Conte
- I think Conte has been given resources, although not perfectly to his liking
- I think Conte failing to commit his future to the club worked in the short-term to get the board to support him, but the minute the inconsistent Tottenham returned, it's always going to end like this.

The Club
- I think the club has maintained a wish/wash approach. Yes, they've backed Conte with money, but as time has gone on and as doubt as creeped in, from what I see, the club has had more of a say/choice on who is being signed.
- I think the club did well to get someone like Conte in esp. after the shitshow of Nuno, but if there's any doubt they wouldn't put up with Conte's demands than I wish we invested in a project manager 18 months ago.

The Players
- I've seen some of the same players go through the same news/playing cycle for Poch, Jose, Nuno, and now Conte - so I personally really enjoyed Conte's latest presser because I'm sick of it.
- I feel as I (and probably most) can tell if we will win/lose a match within the first 5-10 minutes. If the forwards are buzzing about checking in, and see some patterns then it usually results in a win. If they're a little lazy, and our midfield starts yelling at them to move, we end up losing haha

As others have shared, after the Norwich match I thought the only way forward was up, and here we are again!

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

Had a look over those wonderful news archives of Levy’s sacking of Poch, Jose and Nuno.

Poch sacked on a Thursday
Both Jose and Nuno on a Monday.

Like that old C4 show Banzai place your bets now!

 

[ultimateloner]

If I was DL the only one I would listen to is Mason, and I think that is why Mason has a crucial role in the team. You need an impartial opinion from a trusted person with an emotional connection to the club when you need to make a big decision.

And I don't think Mason would be bitching about Conte.

I actually don't see the squad turning against Conte. Our players are generally quite nice. That's what's good about them, with the flip side being they are content so they would coast. Rose was the last confrontational character I can recall.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

They get paid big money to finish in a good position in the table with no demand to succeed. Its like Conte said they don't want to play under pressure and expectation.

This is true, and its entirely down to Levy and ENIC.
It doesn't matter what players come and go, what managers come and go.
They all know top 6 and a "race for 4th" thread on fan message boards is good enough as far as Levy is concerned. So why try harder.

 

[Martin91]

Great. Players winning once again

He’s going at the end of the season anyway may as well just get it over and done with

 

[DiVaio]

The truth about Spurs is staring Antonio Conte in the face - but he's unwilling to accept it

The Italian has been given more resources than any Spurs manager in history and wasted them all

inews.co.uk

haha

 

[dk-yid]

Both yes and no tbh. I think he's right in what he's saying and I'm glad someone has finally said it publicly. do I think it's helped us in the short term with 10 games left? No I think it's done the opposite. Sometimes though you have to go backwards to move forward. It won't be with Conte but lets hope some of his words have struck a chord with both the players and the board, because what he said was true regardless of whether he's part of the problem or not.

I think the fact that he has said it out loud is a huge relief. Hopefully it can plant a seed to address some of what has been the dna of this club for decades. I just hope that Levy and the hierarchy, even if not fully agreeing, are influenced by it over the long term. They will have taken note at teh general reaction, including in the media that people think "that was inappropriate but he's right'.

I'd happily sacrifice this season for a seedling for longer term more fundamental change to the club mentality.

 

[Jamturk]

Both yes and no tbh. I think he's right in what he's saying and I'm glad someone has finally said it publicly. do I think it's helped us in the short term with 10 games left? No I think it's done the opposite. Sometimes though you have to go backwards to move forward. It won't be with Conte but lets hope some of his words have struck a chord with both the players and the board, because what he said was true regardless of whether he's part of the problem or not.

If he cared about the club wouldn't it of been better to of done it after the season ended?

 

[mil1lion]

Which players? Kane could well be gone. Dier, Sanchez and Lloris also only have a year left on their contracts so could well leave.

All of them will , new and old alike. It's a deep routed issue at the club. We have a culture at the club so new players come in and just fall into the same pattern as everyone else. We have a massive lack of desire to win things here. Possibly because we haven't won anything in so long so the players just have no expectations to succeed now. Once form goes down they just hide behind d the manager and get him sacked. Conte has tried to change it but he said himself he never experienced this with his players before. He's failed but honestly I'm not sure who wouldn't fail. It ultimately comes down to the owner to change the culture of a club. Well really it takes a new owner to change it. Like a pub putting up a sign saying under new management is a way of saying "give us another try". We need to be under new management just to break this pattern of failure. Otherwise the players just continue to bounce with a new manager and hide again when they fail. They're all accountable.

 

[C0YS]

Lets be clear to what is happening. I'm sure Conte believes what he is saying but this is the stuff he always does towards the end. Conte has never resigned, even at Inter he got a pay off.

What's happening is Conte knows he wont be here next season, and he is trying to get sacked. Simple as.

 

[spursfan77]

bet the players be happy to see him lol

They’re not going to play for him now. I think he will have lost the dressing room and you never get that back. On that basis they need to sack him because keeping him means top 4 is gone.

If he was only trying to deflect from the performance then it’s backfired hugely.

 

[Japhet]

Not sure if he was saying that before Poch got fired, but that was his pitch for the job. Of course, once he actually started working with them, he realised that he was wrong.

.....................but he'd trousered a 15m per year contract so he was very happy.

 

[Jamturk]

Regarding Saturday..
Conte was damned if he did damned if he didn't.
I personally was ok with his substitutions at the time , ofc it all went tits up and now we are all master coaches.
If he had brought on Moura or Danjuma there is no gaurentee our sorry defence wouldn't have still conceded, and the argument would have been he didn't shore it up and taken the points.

Yes we may have invited pressure, but ffs we were playing soton with Walcott and 15 to go, not City with Haaland for 90
No excuses, our defenders are not to be trusted whatever system we play, the rest is all baloney.

Conte can still fuck off though, because of a list as long as the high st.

We had a real big problem on the left side of our defence with Perisic and Lenglet and he probably thought it better to err on the side of caution.

We have major injuries, Lloris, Bentancaur, Bissouma, Sess and then Richy and Davies.

Some perspective was needed especially from the manager

 

[Gb160]

They’re not going to play for him now. I think he will have lost the dressing room and you never get that back. On that basis they need to sack him because keeping him means top 4 is gone.

If he was only trying to deflect from the performance then it’s backfired hugely.

Yeah rightly or wrongly, all the noise about unhappy players is pointing to when, not if.
It just needs to be done now.

 

[TOLBINY]

They’re not going to play for him now. I think he will have lost the dressing room and you never get that back. On that basis they need to sack him because keeping him means top 4 is gone.

If he was only trying to deflect from the performance then it’s backfired hugely.

You could equally argue that whoever is in charge, even Conte, there will at least now be more focus on the attitude / commitment of our players on the pitch. That's a good thing IMO.