Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[taricco]

Think he should go but can’t see the club pulling the trigger. It’s all about cash and reputation. They’ll let him go in the summer and cite mutual personal issues - don’t have to pay him off, levy saves face.

the management of the club sucks.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Quality coach.

For those saying "He's only been here 5 mins, we need more evidence" will be worth noting that Poch had been at Southampton 5 mins when everyone was raving about him.

He'd been there a season and a half and changed a style of football after Atkins

 

[Spursfan1414]

Because people measure success based on outcome and completely ignore context. Success is about relative distance travelled from starting point and how you manage things along the way. That's why we don't compare the success of a family owned café to Apple's. It's called relativity and few seem to comprehend it in the context of football.

Exactly, it was a dream to play regularly in the Champions League before Poch, now it's so routine that it wouldn't even really feel worth celebrating.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Think he should go but can’t see the club pulling the trigger. It’s all about cash and reputation. They’ll let him go in the summer and cite mutual personal issues - don’t have to pay him off, levy saves face.

the management of the club sucks.

Agreed

Conte not being up to the job shouldn't hide the shambles that is going on above him

Levy also needs to go

 

[mattspur1986]

Just as a question, would anyone take a couple years out of the champions league for an actual “project” to be started with cuti, Bentacur, deki (maybe son) as I think Kane is gone, and just start again? Start buying the best youth again (Alex Scott could be our Dele)

I just miss those years where we was ALL as one! Never one anything but it was damn sight Better than this!

 

[Gb160]

Think he should go but can’t see the club pulling the trigger. It’s all about cash and reputation. They’ll let him go in the summer and cite mutual personal issues - don’t have to pay him off, levy saves face.

the management of the club sucks.

It’s nothing to do with cash and all about optics. His payoff would be about 3 months wages.
It’s solely down to how it would look, still 4th and in the CL.

I agree though, another season down the fucking bog for us fans and the bald shit is living it up at the F1.

 

[Trotter]

Issue is it hard for Levy to sack Jim whilst still in CL and 4th

Don’t need him to sack Jim.
He can sack Antonio though

 

[talkshowhost86]

Just as a question, would anyone take a couple years out of the champions league for an actual “project” to be started with cuti, Bentacur, deki (maybe son) as I think Kane is gone, and just start again? Start buying the best youth again (Alex Scott could be our Dele)

I just miss those years where we was ALL as one! Never one anything but it was damn sight Better than this!

I like Alex Scott as a pundit and she's pretty hot as well...but not sure she's the answer right now

 

[Japhet]

Got the feeling that we go out of the CL midweek and Levy will pull the pin soon after.

I'm worried though. State of our list isn't flash - especially for a Poch type progressive manager. Not great times.

Can only do it if Conte is back, and even then it's not a good look to fire a bloke who's only just back from sick leave and surgery.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Just as a question, would anyone take a couple years out of the champions league for an actual “project” to be started with cuti, Bentacur, deki (maybe son) as I think Kane is gone, and just start again? Start buying the best youth again (Alex Scott could be our Dele)

I just miss those years where we was ALL as one! Never one anything but it was damn sight Better than this!

Yes I would.

Look at how it’s worked out for Arsenal.

And most of the teams playing good football in the league have a nucleus of young players and not geriatrics like us.

 

[dtxspurs]

Just as a question, would anyone take a couple years out of the champions league for an actual “project” to be started with cuti, Bentacur, deki (maybe son) as I think Kane is gone, and just start again? Start buying the best youth again (Alex Scott could be our Dele)

I just miss those years where we was ALL as one! Never one anything but it was damn sight Better than this!

We don’t need to drop out of champions league. We just need a couple defenders and a creative midfielder.

 

[überghost]

We have a tactical approach that relies on defensive strength and solidity.
But we have a defence of clowns (mostly).
When we could not address the lacks in defense it might be wise to turn to the strenghts we actually have in attack and build from that.
But no. It has to be his way or the highway.

We could turn teams such as wolves over simply by attacking strength.
But we are not allowed. Because it's all about getting things right in the long picture.

But football is not about the long picture. You make the best of what you have and adapt along the way. And maybe in the end you reach the point where your philosophy is matched by the clubs signings and players at disposal.

Playing chess with ludo pieces never wins.
Playing ludo might.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Can only do it if Conte is back, and even then it's not a good look to fire a bloke who's only just back from sick leave and surgery.

I'm sure he'll manage.

Obviously it needs to be handled compassionately, particularly considering all Conte has been through recently.

But keeping him around because of a PR concern is ludicrous. Levy needs to do his job.

 

[kieranfitchett]

this hits the nail on the head really, conte's a good coach when the club is willing to completely dance to his tune, that club is not spurs, he's not a match for us, there doesnt seem to be any willingness from the ownership to align with what conte is all about, nor the reverse, hopefully this signals the end of his ilk of manager at spurs and we can get back to coaches that play to our strengths and ethos rather than battle against it

 

[rossdapep]

I would still say a lot of his success is down to Brighton's overall club structure in terms of player recruitment and continuity when stars leave, much like Southampton back then under Poch.

It just goes to show having both a really talented coach AND a solid overall club structure is what a club needs to thrive.

Sure, if he'd walked into a situation like at Wolves he'd probably be doing similary to Lopetegui. Good results, followed by a bad one.

But Im certain they'd be green shoots.

Poch's start at Southampton was very different to at Tottenham.

If you recall at Southampton, it was pretty much instant. They pressed and overworked teams every week.

At Tottenham, we looked quite lethargic at times and you only saw the intensity in doses.

Simply because Southampton had the structure for him to walk into. We of course, OF FUCKING COURSE, didn't have it in place.

I think if De Zerbi came here, it would be exactly the same as Poch s time here.

What I can now say with certainty id that whoever comes in needs to go towards Sarr, Skipp, Bissouma, Romero, Deki, Gil, Devine, Porro, Udogie and get that same energy back.

Son, Lloris, Dier, Davies, et all have had their time, unfortunately as good as some of them have been, they haven't been able to get is over a line and this whole concept of hiring a winning coach in to get them to achieve it has been proven to be flawed.

Its time to start fresh and get that young energy back. We have a potentially good base here, it needs the coach to match it.

Kane is obviosuly the huge question mark. So I'd ask him to guide these younger players and get that Poch era vibe back, as that was our best time and it all down to to having youth and energy.

If Kane can get on board with that, great. If not, see if the new coach can get him to give is one last solid year before he goes on a free.

We need to be brave now. We need to look towards a new era. Stop chasing gold with the same tired faces and look towards the youth. Thats where the energy is. Son hasn't got long left, so why try milking more out of the cow when you can just crack on and nurture the calfs.

United kept bringing in coaches to win NOW and brought in big name players or shiny toys, but neglected the fundamentals.

It took them 10 years but they finally seem to have got it now.

 

[yiddopaul]

Think he should go but can’t see the club pulling the trigger. It’s all about cash and reputation. They’ll let him go in the summer and cite mutual personal issues - don’t have to pay him off, levy saves face.

the management of the club sucks.

Can't imagine there'll be much to pay him off. He's only got 3 months left, not 3 years.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Just as a question, would anyone take a couple years out of the champions league for an actual “project” to be started with cuti, Bentacur, deki (maybe son) as I think Kane is gone, and just start again? Start buying the best youth again (Alex Scott could be our Dele)

I just miss those years where we was ALL as one! Never one anything but it was damn sight Better than this!

Yes. What's the point of UCL if we stink the joint out with awful and don't win anything? We could not win anything and at least be entertaining and play decent football.

 

[sidford]

Levy will be desperate to keep Conte until end of season when they can part ways and both put it down to Contes health and other issues. If they don't get to that stage then it'll be rightly called a failure. It's all about them trying to save face now and unfortunately our club and us are the ones who will suffer because of it.

 

[Trotter]

Looking at those two lineups today how many players from Wolves' team would you want?

I'm betting none

And yet somehow their manager altered things to improve the performance. He got the best out of what he had.

Conte has done that roughly ttlwice in the last twelve months

Based on current way we play would take Kilman, but that would be it

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Can only do it if Conte is back, and even then it's not a good look to fire a bloke who's only just back from sick leave and surgery.

He sacked Jol at half-time. Why would Conte deserve any more respect?