- May 17, 2004
- 15,948
- 41,760
2002 wasn't it?Yup
we actually lost 3 finals during this period
- 82 Milk Cup final against Liverpool, bloody Ronnie Whelan
- 87 FA CUp, bloody Keith Houchen
- 92 League Cup, V Blackburn, FFS
2002 wasn't it?Yup
we actually lost 3 finals during this period
- 82 Milk Cup final against Liverpool, bloody Ronnie Whelan
- 87 FA CUp, bloody Keith Houchen
- 92 League Cup, V Blackburn, FFS
2002 league cup under Enic? Had forgotten about that one or blanked it from my memory. What a horrific final. Thank you Graham PollYup
we actually lost 3 finals during this period
- 82 Milk Cup final against Liverpool, bloody Ronnie Whelan
- 87 FA CUp, bloody Keith Houchen
- 92 League Cup, V Blackburn, FFS
Our Ebitda is at around 116m, which is usually a marker of our business health.As someone who is borderline illiterate on this sort of stuff, can you explain why mate? ideally using an analogy that even a ten year old could get their noggin around.
Why are my statements of fact irrational. They are based on Levy's words. The FFP rules have not changed since we started the new stadium so Levy's statements stand to be challenged. He therefore has to now deliver on what he promised from the increased revenue streams. He has to provide the resources for us to challenge or go.Looool
This is just totally irrational. The stadium is a gamechanger in being able to increase our revenues. The fact we have one of the highest net spends over the last few seasons proves that. BUT that doesn't mean we can go toe-to-toe financially with the sovereign wealth of entire nation-states FFS. Besides covid, and not seeing a full season of full capacity stadium revenues yet makes it hard to judge how financially competitive we can be.
It's not Levy you should be blaming for that. It is a flawed FFP system that allows these kind of owners to get away with inflating wages and transfer fees that distort the market to unsustainable levels. Hopefully Man City actually get the book thrown at them so it makes Newcastle owners think twice about their actions, but i'm highly dubious that will happen.
I want him to act on his promises.Sorry have I missed something or has ENIC said they have stopped spending money?
What do you want them to do? Act like Chelsea or act like Arsenal?
All I want him to do is to stick to his promises that the revenue will enable us to compete. COVID effected everyone so we are all on the same pitch.Yeah not like we had a pandemic when it opened. Not like we have actually invested into the squad since then. Not like we have brought in two of the top managers of the last decade or so after Poch.
Honestly some of you lot will twist any little thing into Levy out. Now I get he has his faults, but if it wasn't for his vision and undertaking WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPETE WHATSOEVER.
He isn't the one on the pitch kicking the ball in those semi finals and finals. That's down to the manager and the players. He can only do so much and give the managers the players to work with. It's up to said manager to get the best out of them. He has given Conte real quality and added depth.
What more do you want him to do? We do spend on players, it's just some of those haven't worked out for whatever reason.
All I want him to do is to stick to his promises that the revenue will enable us to compete. COVID effected everyone so we are all on the same pitch.
Did everyone else open up a new stadium during that time meaning we had other events to postpone and rearrange? No? Didn't think so.All I want him to do is to stick to his promises that the revenue will enable us to compete. COVID effected everyone so we are all on the same pitch.
Sorry, just so I'm clear, is your belief, or expectation, that when Levy said the new stadium would enable us to compete financially with our rivals that you thought it would enable us to spend the same as clubs like City and Chelsea?I want him to act on his promises.
Why are my statements of fact irrational. They are based on Levy's words. The FFP rules have not changed since we started the new stadium so Levy's statements stand to be challenged. He therefore has to now deliver on what he promised from the increased revenue streams. He has to provide the resources for us to challenge or go.
In a nutshell.The only real thing to pull from that statement is that nothing much will change. Levy will dream on about a sustainable league whilst other owners manipulate the rules to obtain success, and we’ll chug along hoping to catch lightening in a bottle.
It was never going to be an overnight process, especially when you add in COVID and how that has affected things globally and not only within football. It pushed back and delayed a lot, as well as affecting running costs for various events etc.All I want him to do is to stick to his promises that the revenue will enable us to compete. COVID effected everyone so we are all on the same pitch.
Good point. I suppose that we paid fortunes for our dross which we cannot sell, but keep paying instalments. Deep gratitude to our transfer committee, DL and Poch as well.I will keep an open mind until Swiss Ramble do their interpretation
You don’t need to spend as much as them, obviously, just a steady drumbeat of investment in refreshing the first team and squad pipeline- which will also mean overpaying sometimes for academy kids, players establishing themselves around the Porro mark and an occasional blockbuster, like, but not in the human form of NDombele ?Sorry, just so I'm clear, is your belief, or expectation, that when Levy said the new stadium would enable us to compete financially with our rivals that you thought it would enable us to spend the same as clubs like City and Chelsea?
This is so true and often overlooked. In '81 we were twice only minutes away from being beaten by City, who back then were bang average at best. It took a massively fluey own goal to save the first game and then an absolute worldie to win the second. The following year we played out two fairly turgid games against a team from the second tier and won it with a penalty. '91 was an extra-time own goal when our star player had hit the self destruct button in the opening minutes. In between, the UEFA was won on pens after two legs and extra time. '99 League cup was won, as mentioned, with a 90th minute winner and then '08 was another extra time victory. We could easily be in a stretch of being without a trophy since the 70s.The 5 cups we won in the 80s & 90s 3 went to extra time or a replay, 1 won on penalties the other last minute when down to 10 men. We could’ve easily lost them all.
Yep, it was almost instant. I said as much earlier. And although expected, it's strange, i've found it wierd for a while now. It's almost universally agreed (or it ought to be) that he's great at the money side but he's also either incompetent or has been negligent at the football side of things yet people still talk and argue the toss about the finances, FFP, net spend and all the other stuff. But the actual issue that made the worm turn simply cannot be argued against, he's overseen such a decline that almost 85% of fans want him removed and that doesn't happen for no reason. People shouldn't be unhappy at the state of the club away from the pitch, fucking hell, it's so obvious where his fault lays.These results show that Levy is shit / These results show that Levy is great / These results ... Meh.