Financial results

[thinktank]

And you could design it to troll some more.....

That is a work of fuckign art, mate.

 

[Donki]

In his first full season we finished 9th, where we are now is 7th below Southampton a side with much less resources than us and that is after stealing their manager AND head of recruitment talent.

Sorry has the season finished Mullers?

 

[Mullers]

Sorry has the season finished Mullers?

Nope, I'm just stating where we are right now.

 

[Ionman34]

Can't vouch for the accurace of the figures, but found on Twitter, so it must be true

And a Partridge in a Pear tree

 

[The Scarecrow]

In his first full season we finished 9th, where we are now is 7th below Southampton a side with much less resources than us and that is after stealing their manager AND head of recruitment talent.

Stealing their manager? We bought him out of his contract. Fair and square. But that's a digression. How much of Southampton's recent success is down to Koeman? How much is down to Poch? Koeman has done a great job, but you can't deny that Pochettino was the one who laid the foundation. The way I see it, Southampton's success is evidence of the good job Pochettino did there, and of course, they made a great decision in appointing Koeman as his successor.

 

[Mullers]

Stealing their manager? We bought him out of his contract. Fair and square. But that's a digression. How much of Southampton's recent success is down to Koeman? How much is down to Poch? Koeman has done a great job, but you can't deny that Pochettino was the one who laid the foundation. The way I see it, Southampton's success is evidence of the good job Pochettino did there, and of course, they made a great decision in appointing Koeman as his successor.

I think I have to give all the credit to Koeman, he lost 5 of his best players and brought 10 players in, to get the team to perform as well as he has is a fantastic achievement.

Just as a matter of interest do you give Sherwood credit for laying down a foundation with us?

 

[The Scarecrow]

I think I have to give all the credit to Koeman, he lost 5 of his best players and brought 10 players in, to get the team to perform as well as he has is a fantastic achievement.

Just as a matter of interest do you give Sherwood credit for laying down a foundation with us?

What foundation? Pochettino left a club in good condition. Sherwood did not.

 

[Mullers]

What foundation? Pochettino left a club in good condition. Sherwood did not.

Eh? He left the club in 6th place. I think that's very commendable especially for a guy with no management experience.

 

[225]

Eh? He left the club in 6th place. I think that's very commendable especially for a guy with no management experience.

He didn't establish a rigorous training routine, a tactical philosophy, or anything that could contribute to the future.

Just like Pochettino didn't ruffle feathers with players at Southampton and/or upset almost everyone in the board room.

 

[Lilbaz]

He didn't establish a rigorous training routine, a tactical philosophy, or anything that could contribute to the future.

Just like Pochettino didn't ruffle feathers with players at Southampton and/or upset almost everyone in the board room.

He was partially responsible for the development of some of the players we have been crowing about this season. He might not have done double training sessions, but that was because he took over half way through the season and did a decent job results wise. Who did he upset at boardroom level? The only story I heard was that he told Baldini that he didn't have a clue about players and that the development squad was better. Guess what? He was right.

 

[Mullers]

He didn't establish a rigorous training routine, a tactical philosophy, or anything that could contribute to the future.

Just like Pochettino didn't ruffle feathers with players at Southampton and/or upset almost everyone in the board room.

He did blood the youngsters and help create the academy. Harry Kane credited Sherwood himself for giving him a chance.

 

[npearl4spurs]

oh Lord another positive thread going down the dark rabbit hole into lunacy.

 

[jambreck]

He did blood the youngsters and help create the academy. Harry Kane credited Sherwood himself for giving him a chance.

No.

No, he didn't.

He didn't join the club as a coach until 2008. He didn't take on his role with the development squad until 2010. And he became first team manager in 2013.

So he only had three years of involvement with the younger players - mostly involving coaching the U21's and arranging for some of them to be loaned to other clubs. He had bugger all to do with "creating the academy" - its scouting; its philosophy; or its coaching. That was the work of John McDermott and others.

Sherwood might claim to be responsible for everything good about Spurs - including scouting Glenn Hoddle and being the real inspiration behind the 1961 Double team, if you gave him the chance - and perhaps many in the wider world fall for it. But I'd expect a committed Spurs fan like you to be a little more aware of the facts, Mullers.

Hats off to him for showing faith in Bentaleb, though. That was his biggest achievement.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Eh? He left the club in 6th place. I think that's very commendable especially for a guy with no management experience.

He didn't establish a rigorous training routine, a tactical philosophy, or anything that could contribute to the future.

Just like Pochettino didn't ruffle feathers with players at Southampton and/or upset almost everyone in the board room.

What he said.

Edit: Although I think Sherwood should get some of the credit for Kane and Bentaleb's development. But he left a team with no identity, which I believe Pochettino now has reinstalled.

 

[225]

Who did he upset at boardroom level? The only story I heard was that he told Baldini that he didn't have a clue about players and that the development squad was better. Guess what? He was right.

I'd say that calling out the board in a post-match interview and saying they need to "wake up", plus all the bad press that surrounded rumours of a punch up in the dressing room, the Gilet throwing, kicking off on Jorge Jesus during a match, losing control of a few of the players (Sandro twitter etc.) was everything that lead to his demise.

I'd say that would be more than enough to upset Levy & a few others who had given him so much rope in the years prior, he went and hung himself with it. If there's one thing we know about the financial genius that is our little bald emperor, it's that he has a short fuse for people who create bad press surrounding the club.

 

[The General]

I'm much happier with Pochetino as manager (head coach) than Sherwood. However if we are going to credit Pochetino for being partly responsible for Southampton's current success having been there for 18 months, I think we need to accept Sherwood deserves some credit for what he did during his 5 years at Spurs. Perhaps not quite as much credit as he gives himself though.

 

[spursfan77]

Sherwood has even infiltrated the financial results now. Bloody hell, he gets everywhere!

 

[Dinghy]

Sherwood has even infiltrated the financial results now. Bloody hell, he gets everywhere!

It's an SC version of Godwins law.

 

[yankspurs]

Oh FFS back on Sherwood again

He discovered Kane when he was a baby, discovered Eriksen at wembley and discovered mason 10 years ago. K?

/thread

 

[Spursidol]

Back to the thread title.

Thought it might be useful to compare a few headline numbers with our main competitors - listed in order of revenue :

1 Man Utd

Income:£433.1m (MD £108.1m, TV £135.7m, Com £189.3m)
Wages:£215m (50% of income), Pre-tax profit: £67.9m, Debt:£342m

2. Man City

Income:£346.5m (MD £47.5m, TV £133.2m, Com £165.8m)
Wages:£205m (59% of income), Pre-tax loss: £17.7m, Debt:£67m

3. Chelsea

Income:£320m (MD £71m, TV £140m, Com £109m)
Wages: £193m (60% of income), Pre-tax profit: £19.1m, Debt:£958m

4. Arsenal

Income:£298.7m (MD £100.2m,TV: £120.8m, Com £77.7m)
Wages:£166.4m (56% of income), Pre-tax profit: £3.8m, Debt:£240.5m

5. Liverpool

Income: £255.6m (MD £50.9m, TV £100.9m, Com £103.8m)
Wages:£144m (56% of income), Pre-tax profit: £5.5m, Debt: £127m

6 Tottenham

Income:£181m (MD £44m, TV £95m, Com £42m)
Wages: £105m (58% of income), Pre-tax profit: £36m, Debt: Zero

7. Newcastle

Income:£130m (Full breakdown of income unavailable)
Wages:£60m (46% of income), Pre-tax profit: £40m, Debt:£129m

8. Everton

Income: £120.5m (MD £19.3m, TV £88.5m, Com £12.7m)
Wages: £69m (57% of income), Pre-tax profit: £28.2m, Debt:£28m

9. Aston Villa

Income: £116.9m (MD £12.8m, TV £72.7m, Com £31.4m)
Wages:£69m (59% of income), Pre-tax loss: £3m, Debt: £104m

10 .West Ham

Income:£114.9m (MD £19.5m, TV £75.4m, Com £20m)
Wages:£64m (56% of income), Pre-tax profit: £15.3m, Debt: £110m

11. Southampton

Income:£104.9m (MD £17.1m, TV £79.5m, Com £8.3m)
Wages: £62.9m (60% of income), Pre-tax profit: £31.4m, Debt:£57m

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html

So financially, in terms of income, we are in 6th place well away from the top 4, but ahead of the chasing pack. Southampton in 11th place show how they've leveraged their academy to be in the Pl position that they are in.

Incidentally our net assets (or shareholder funds and absence of debt) were swelled at the year end by not on ly the profit made for the year but also the £40m issue of preference shares - the position being planned tas a pre-requisite to raising the finance necessary to build the stadium.