Fine margins that killed AVB this season

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

It's fair to say he put his personal differences before the good of the team on the Adebayor front. Odd though that he brought him in for the City game and that was it.

 

[punky]

Fine margins both ways. We got unjust penalties against Palace and Hull so that's 4 points we shouldn't have. Plus if Lloris got a straight red for handling outside the box as he should have, how many more points futher behind would we be with Friedel in goal?

If we look at performance the points tally flatters AVB rather than decieves.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

"The Premier League is guided by this dynamic: ball lost - ball recovered - ball lost again. That makes matches unpredictable, teams must be objective and behave like that because that's what excites fans.

"The aesthetics of the game come second to unpredictability, which is much more exciting than the predictability associated with possession football," he said, giving the example of Spanish club Barcelona.

Demand in England for this fast-breaking football style contributed to his downfall at Chelsea, Villas-Boas said.

"We were a counter-culture team, constructing play from the goalkeeper onwards.

"I should have had respected that (England's) culture from the start. I thought it was possible to establish a different game pattern in a country with a radically different culture.

"I respect it now. I have become more versatile after the Chelsea experience."

Monday 24 June 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...r-united-under-sir-alex-ferguson-8671577.html

 

[Sarsipius]

"The Premier League is guided by this dynamic: ball lost - ball recovered - ball lost again. That makes matches unpredictable, teams must be objective and behave like that because that's what excites fans.

"The aesthetics of the game come second to unpredictability, which is much more exciting than the predictability associated with possession football," he said, giving the example of Spanish club Barcelona.

Demand in England for this fast-breaking football style contributed to his downfall at Chelsea, Villas-Boas said.

"We were a counter-culture team, constructing play from the goalkeeper onwards.

"I should have had respected that (England's) culture from the start. I thought it was possible to establish a different game pattern in a country with a radically different culture.

"I respect it now. I have become more versatile after the Chelsea experience."

Monday 24 June 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...r-united-under-sir-alex-ferguson-8671577.html

This is AVB all over. Talks a great game (I agree completely with the sentiment in this statement btw) but then totally fails to act on it, or at least appears not to.

For me AVBs team was totally predictable and far too tactically rigid which stifled the creativity of our forward players and made it easy for the opposition to predict our play.

It's baffling how he couldn't see this when overall he seems to have a good grasp of the game.

 

[Kingstheman]

It's fair to say he put his personal differences before the good of the team on the Adebayor front. Odd though that he brought him in for the City game and that was it.

It is not odd, if you are a cynic.

If he didn't want people asking for Adebayor to play, he only needed to play him in games where the cause is lost and say, 'Simple, when he plays, we are shit'.

 

[Wolf_Autopsy]

we're lucky we have 30 points right now. AVB should be thanking the football gods for the amount of luck we had in the beginning of the season..otherwise he wouldn't have made it through october.

 

[guy]

Fine margins, heard it all now

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Filled up in a petrol station just outside Melbourne yesterday when the Aussie attendant asked me if I followed the EPL after he'd spotted my accent, told him etc etc. His response:

"Haha that fucken AVB was a goose eh? You guys were lucky you had Bale mate. Fucken Villas-Boas was shithouse."

My response in my own head.

"Yes you typical fucking brash but surprisingly on the money, although slightly inappropriate station attendant, Aussie bastard."

 

[Kingstheman]

Fine margins... Damn those fine margins...

 

[CheeseGromit]

Worst home record Best away record this season

He really had not cracked the home fortress requirement You will not win the league that way or get in the top 4 for that matter. That is not fine margins in my book. His cautious ponderous play worked when teams attack you as they can be stifled. It does not work at home (x2 - recurring theme see Chelski under his stewardship). It works better for the underdog. It showed his lack of flexibility in his tactics/beliefs. Definition of madness doing the same thing hoping for different result

 

[Syn_13]

Fine margins both ways. We got unjust penalties against Palace and Hull so that's 4 points we shouldn't have. Plus if Lloris got a straight red for handling outside the box as he should have, how many more points futher behind would we be with Friedel in goal?

If we look at performance the points tally flatters AVB rather than decieves.

Not sure If I can say that the points tally flattered AVB but I do agree with your point that we've had some luck too. Swings and roundabouts. I've felt the last couple of years we've had some bad luck, but this year seems relatively even.

 

[Barry Mead]

I think it was a case of far more fine margins keeping him in a job, dull slow possession football in non pressure areas and a number of hit and hope long range shots didn't make us unlucky in most games even if we had better possession figures

 

[bigfrooj]

AVB is the luckiest football manager ever, winning the lottery twice.

Football is at its most beautiful when played at its simplest; AVB doesn't know it yet.

 

[walworthyid]

Fine margins... Damn those fine margins...

Damn (black adder episode with Nigel planer or am I reading it wrong?)

 

[Kingstheman]

Damn (black adder episode with Nigel planer or am I reading it wrong?)

Yes.

Damn, damn, damn.

 

[Samson]

There isn't much bad luck that Andre wasn't complicit in. The Rose injury was fatal, IMO, but however much he wanted shot of Benni, he should have demanded a replacement. That said, it's fairly obvious that the environment within the upper echelons of the club hasn't been, and perhaps still isn't with Baldini around, stable or healthy.

 

[Shea]

AVB is the luckiest football manager ever, winning the lottery twice.

Football is at its most beautiful when played at its simplest; AVB doesn't know it yet.

He wasn't lucky to be given the Chelsea job as such - he did have a sensational season at Porto and the Chelsea appointment was not overly surprising

Having fucked up so royally for Chelsea however and proved himself pretty inept in the PL at a top club he was extremely lucky to bounce back so hire and be appointed for us.

Let's be honest Levy made a very foolish decision trying to be a smart arse - he bought into the same stupid hype about being the next Jose (even after his time at Chelsea had exposed it) and thought that somehow this hype would have more substance for us than it did for Chelsea

The fact that Chelsea were so shit under him yet good enough to become the best team in Europe with the same players once he'd left highlighted how poor a job he did there. Every Chelsea fan in the World laughed their tits off when we hired him but Levy thought he was being slick and swooping for the next Jose who had just had a small blip (wrong club wrong time etc) but now we've gone backwards and taken the best part of 2 seasons to realise what should have been obvious from the start - AVB was all hype and no substance and now Levy has egg on his face and has to finally realise that he is not up to making the football decisions at our club.

I think AVB was more lucky than unlucky under us and the fine margins benefited him more than bringing his downfall - unjust penalties, undeserved wins etc etc, we always seemed to be in a false inflated position under AVB and I am glad those lucky fine margins prevented his lack of managerial skills from doing any more damage to our over all project

Its bad enough he's wasted a great opportunity to captialise on the stunting of the top four teams during transition as Arsenal and Liverpool have - At least he was lucky enough to have Bale and Lloris (and this season joke penalities) to keep us in contention so the new man has a fair crack at saving our season and we can all just forget about AVB who was a huge huge mistake by Levy -worse than Ramos in my opinion (at least he won silverware)

AVB is not and will never be Jose - he just happens to have worked under him and managed two of the same teams he has (oh yea and been born in the same country). He's a young and inexperienced coach and to date an unsuccessful coach unable to do more than win with a winning team - for his sake I hope he steps down a few levels, learns his trade properly and goes on to become a good manager in the future. I wish him good luck, it was Levy's mistake not his, he was simply out of his comfort zone and out of his depth

 

[markieboy]

As everyone on here we have all been discussing where things "went wrong".

I have been thinking of our season so far and some of our performances... I have noted down 4 key moments in which I feel with a little bit of extra luck ( which you need in football sometimes) this sacking would not of taken place.

There have been games where we have actually been excellent, for example cardiff away.... however we do not bury teams and we aren't clinical it should have been 4-0......

1. Arsenal 1-0 Spurs

All over them, I don't care what anyone says but we were. We had them on the ropes... unlucky with a shot off the line and again we were not clinical with out early play.

We looked a team that day albeit a new one.

2. Spurs 1-1 Chelsea

Outstanding in the first half and if paulinho had not hit the post and made it 2-0 I think to this day we would have won. It shows what a difference Eriksen makes to our team.

3. Spurs 0-1 Newcastle

Tim krul enough said.... again not clinical but also a miraculous block off the line.... we should of secured all 3.

4. City 6-0 Spurs

Let in a goal after 11 seconds.... would we have still lost 6-0.... lets not forget the open goal missed by lamela moments after.


I do not think we have been as bad as people make out... and for me these are 4 moments that killed avb disregarding his final fixture on sunday.

Fine margins last season kept him in a job for another year,if it wasn't for Bales goals last season he would have been long gone.

I hope he has thanked Bale for making him a few million quid this year.

 

[Kendall]

If it was about fine margins, he wouldn't have been sacked.

People talk about points on the board but it's how you got those points as well. Three separate 1-0 penalty wins. At least two of the pens were extremely fortunate. That is not a repeatable formula for winning games and it showed.

Until we beat Southampton at the weekend, we hadn't beaten a single team in the top half with only Stoke left to play. So not only were we not beating top half sides, we we struggling to beat bottom half sides. Add two unbelievable thrashings, with a sprinkling of 100m of spending in the summer and you get a gaping chasm of a margin as to why AVB was sacked.

 

[SteveH]

I'm not a Levy fan or a hater.

But Daniel must take full responsibility for the AVB error taking into consideration DL is Joe Lewis representatives on earth so to speak. Said Mr Lewis is getting on and I'm starting to wonder if he is becoming a little hurried in his decision making with AVB a prime example. I would love to know how much power DL holds.

The Lewis's of this world rarely let go of the reins while they're alive.