Gareth Bale (Rumour to Deal Done)

[minesadouble]

Some may have missed your long, informative post from thurs morning, as it seemed to get buried amongst the fervour surrounding Willian. Are you still under the impression that RM are struggling for finance? COYS.

I think Spurs have a very good idea of what RM can pay and what they can't. It's not like dealing with Man City, PSG or Chelsea where the shareholder might just decide to bang in a few more tens of millions. Obviously if RM can do some negotiation with banks or somebody else then they could pay a bit more. But mostly over the summer they have concentrated on trying to reduce the price of Bale or extend the payment terms. Most clubs usually raise extra funds by selling assets (players) to buy new assets (other players). It's very last minute that RM appear to be considering offers for players such as Benzema (if indeed they are). The fact is that very few players want to leave Madrid for monetary and prestige reasons, even if they're mostly on the bench (eg. Cointrao).

Levy is extremely good at extracting big prices from clubs, whether Berbatovs or Parkers. However, he didn't do so well with Modric and RM. If you were Levy, would you be thinking, ah, I'll let 'em have Bale cheap too? They're RM. Or would you be thinking, I think I'd like to make the score 1-1? Just asking. I know what I think.

 

[zzz]

Even then, I still wouldn't place him as high as the media suggests (i.e. around 100 million pounds/euros). I heard that there were a whole bunch of clauses in a lot of Bale's marketing deals that would greatly benefit us on the unfortunate occasion he left. Not sure on the validity but it is something to note.

It all depends on the hard numbers that only the financial chaps at the club will be Privy to. Though with NBC trying to really push the Premiership into one of the biggest untapped markets in the world, having the poster boy would have been very valuable.

We don't have the same marketing machine or pre-groomed customer base that Real have, but we can use their estimate of his worth as an indicator to how marketable they view him as. From all intensive purposes it's quite astronomical.

If you are correct in the clauses in his contract, that will lighten the blow, but we all should bear in mind that we are not debating just the value of a footballer here. But the value of a "money printing press" of marketing.

 

[CowInAComa]

Two offers. One cup.

Love from levy.

 

[robbiek]

Oh look, 2 options from Madrid

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23824653

One that doesn'tmeet our price, and one that doesn't meet our payment terms.

Uh, I think I'll pass.

Lucky for RM, Levy isn't as fussy as you. He may even knock 10 million off. Just for kicks.

 

[markiespurs]

I think Spurs have a very good idea of what RM can pay and what they can't. It's not like dealing with Man City, PSG or Chelsea where the shareholder might just decide to bang in a few more tens of millions. Obviously if RM can do some negotiation with banks or somebody else then they could pay a bit more. But mostly over the summer they have concentrated on trying to reduce the price of Bale or extend the payment terms. Most clubs usually raise extra funds by selling assets (players) to buy new assets (other players). It's very last minute that RM appear to be considering offers for players such as Benzema (if indeed they are). The fact is that very few players want to leave Madrid for monetary and prestige reasons, even if they're mostly on the bench (eg. Cointrao).

Levy is extremely good at extracting big prices from clubs, whether Berbatovs or Parkers. However, he didn't do so well with Modric and RM. If you were Levy, would you be thinking, ah, I'll let 'em have Bale cheap too? They're RM. Or would you be thinking, I think I'd like to make the score 1-1? Just asking. I know what I think.

Personally think Levy would like to make the score 1-1, really can't see him as the type of person who like to let another club get one over him, especially twice in a row and with Levy holding most of the trump cards.

 

[Learn2Eel]

I'm actually really starting to wonder just what price we are holding out for, and how close Madrid have come to matching it. I still don't trust the media for a second - though, again, at the price reported, I would jump on it right quick and start looking at replacements. We need to get this sorted quickly, one way or the other.

 

[hodsgod]

I'm actually really starting to wonder just what price we are holding out for, and how close Madrid have come to matching it. I still don't trust the media for a second - though, again, at the price reported, I would jump on it right quick and start looking at replacements. We need to get this sorted quickly, one way or the other.

I think we should refuse all offers now. It's too late in the window.

 

[sundanceyid10]

I think we should refuse all offers now. It's too late in the window.

100m or refuse, I do believe this is the figure Levy wants.

 

[markiespurs]

Lucky for RM, Levy isn't as fussy as you. He may even knock 10 million off. Just for kicks.

You do realise that Levy has a reputation as being a bastard to deal with and driving a hard deal and thats just for players that we want to sign or let go.

I'm more than confident that in Levy, we have the best chairman available to sell Bale on our terms or not at all.

 

[kungfujoe98]

*sigh*

Ask yourself, was Cristiano Ronaldo worth the price Real Madrid paid?
If yes, then Bale is not worth a similar (or higher) sum, simple as that. Gareth Bale is a long way away from the player Ronaldo was when he left England.
If no, then the figure being touted is ridiculous anyway.

People need to wake up and smell reality. We will never get that fee for him, and he is worth nowhere near that much. No player is, with the possible exception of Messi.

While I agree about the relative abilities and successes of Ronaldo and Bale at the same age, £80m 4 years ago is worth £91m now, or more given that official inflation figures are manipulated to hell. The value of money moves significantly over time. To take an example over 20 years, is Ronaldo 10x the player Gazza was? Of course not. And over 4 years it still makes a difference. Of course, Ronaldo's ego won't factor that in, but never mind.

Additional consideration needs to be given to context too: for Man U, getting a replacement or two is easier as they can offer almost guaranteed trophies and exposure in the CL's latter stages. For us, we need to help sweeten the deal with more cash and even then we won't attract the same quality. But additional cash does let us address other areas of the squad or at least help towards the stadium which in the long term helps move us towards a degree of parity with those at the top table.

We can argue all day as to Bale's exact value, but the comparisons with Ronaldo need to factor in more than just age and performance at that age. And as long as Levy is happy to risk being left with Bale, then his valuation is the only one that matters.

 

[Mr Pink]

Real have given us two options? How generous.

How about we give them two options: pay up, what we want, and in the intallments we want them in, or fuck off.

Absolutely this. We hold the power, that's it. Bale should be staying if we don't get what we want and how we want it. Its that simple for me.

And if Bale has a problem he'll either have to get over it sharpish and get on with his job (hobby) or fucking sit there for a year. Whatever, no way should THFC be the one who loses out here when its us who's in the best position of power.

Fuck that. So sick of all this shit.

 

[minesadouble]

Here is part of what I posted yesterday on the Daily ITK Discussion thread (1524, @ 6.20 p.m., 23.08).

The question is why did Chelsea suddenly decide to spend £30m on Willian when they could have done it a week earlier when Anzhi first made the announcement? The fact is that either Mourinho suddenly decided he needed a sixth very similar type player, or Chelsea had another thought.

It’s entirely possible that Willian not joining Spurs will result in Bale not joining Madrid. It’s pure Mourinho for that to be part of his plan (he’s more worried about RM in CL, than Spurs in PL, I’m afraid). This little powerplay potentially screws everybody’s plans up (including Man U or Arsenal buying RM players).

It is not relevant whether Willian is seen a direct replacement for Bale. He’s not. But Willian (30), Lamela (30) and a couple of others were / are the intended reinvestment of the money.

 

[spursram]

While I agree about the relative abilities and successes of Ronaldo and Bale at the same age, £80m 4 years ago is worth £91m now, or more given that official inflation figures are manipulated to hell. The value of money moves significantly over time. To take an example over 20 years, is Ronaldo 10x the player Gazza was? Of course not. And over 4 years it still makes a difference. Of course, Ronaldo's ego won't factor that in, but never mind.

Additional consideration needs to be given to context too: for Man U, getting a replacement or two is easier as they can offer almost guaranteed trophies and exposure in the CL's latter stages. For us, we need to help sweeten the deal with more cash and even then we won't attract the same quality. But additional cash does let us address other areas of the squad or at least help towards the stadium which in the long term helps move us towards a degree of parity with those at the top table.

We can argue all day as to Bale's exact value, but the comparisons with Ronaldo need to factor in more than just age and performance at that age. And as long as Levy is happy to risk being left with Bale, then his valuation is the only one that matters.

The exchange rate difference will also come into play...but don't ask me what they were then!

 

[MattyP]

If they can afford £70m up front, they can afford £70m up front and £30m in installments.

Thank you Mr Banker, no deal.

 

[Mr Pink]

If they can afford £70m up front, they can afford £70m up front and £30m in installments.

Thank you Mr Banker, no deal.

Exactly.

Its a bit of a stupid proposal, if true, isn't it...

 

[Spursbabe63]

this is what we will be missing!!


....

:-(

 

[Den]

You mean my sig? It's a task from an episode of The Amazing Race where they try and get teams to learn how to march with the Russian army and the kid you see there has, like, NO co-ordination and couldn't get his legs/arms to work in harmony to put a march together.

Cried so many times watching it. Floods of tears.

Cheers!

 

[easley91]

Here is part of what I posted yesterday on the Daily ITK Discussion thread (1524, @ 6.20 p.m., 23.08).

The question is why did Chelsea suddenly decide to spend £30m on Willian when they could have done it a week earlier when Anzhi first made the announcement? The fact is that either Mourinho suddenly decided he needed a sixth very similar type player, or Chelsea had another thought.

It’s entirely possible that Willian not joining Spurs will result in Bale not joining Madrid. It’s pure Mourinho for that to be part of his plan (he’s more worried about RM in CL, than Spurs in PL, I’m afraid). This little powerplay potentially screws everybody’s plans up (including Man U or Arsenal buying RM players).

It is not relevant whether Willian is seen a direct replacement for Bale. He’s not. But Willian (30), Lamela (30) and a couple of others were / are the intended reinvestment of the money.

That's what I suggested as a little theory.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Here is part of what I posted yesterday on the Daily ITK Discussion thread (1524, @ 6.20 p.m., 23.08).

The question is why did Chelsea suddenly decide to spend £30m on Willian when they could have done it a week earlier when Anzhi first made the announcement? The fact is that either Mourinho suddenly decided he needed a sixth very similar type player, or Chelsea had another thought.

It’s entirely possible that Willian not joining Spurs will result in Bale not joining Madrid. It’s pure Mourinho for that to be part of his plan (he’s more worried about RM in CL, than Spurs in PL, I’m afraid). This little powerplay potentially screws everybody’s plans up (including Man U or Arsenal buying RM players).

It is not relevant whether Willian is seen a direct replacement for Bale. He’s not. But Willian (30), Lamela (30) and a couple of others were / are the intended reinvestment of the money.

Have thought similarly myself. What matters is that we have the strongest chance possible of challenging and if that means we keep Bale then we do

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I normally think you shouldn't keep an unhappy player, but I think He'll get on with it if he stays and he will be the difference between us challenging for the title and maybe top four. He can make the difference in so many games, especially the tight games and the big games. He frightens people, how many have we got or could potentially get that do that now. If we could be brave and turn down the money just for this season it could really be a turning point in our history. Saying all that I expect us to sell because I dont think he'll sign a new contract.