Gary Neville Analysis on Arsenal v Spurs Frailties in defence.

[Cavehillspur]

It's reiterating the same sentiment but Gary Neville has been a complete breath of fresh air in the world of punditry and highlights how fucking poor we've had it with the likes of Lawro, Townsend and Redknapp Jr, to name but three.

Totally agree, Neville is excellent.

 

[SteveH]

we tend to disagree

Got you! Nah we are fine........I just don't like the blame game.

enjoying watching us at moment.

OT WARNING
Not sure what type of striker we need - the game is changing in the striker department more than any other.

The Bale's, Tevez's and Suarez's are the way to go and I think they attacking mids.

The Ade's and Dzeko's of the world are a dying breed IMHO ( I blame Renaldo and Messi)

 

[van_Pommel]

Has anyone found another version? Really want to see this!

 

[SteveH]

Has anyone found another version? Really want to see this!

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTIyNjA0ODcy.html

 

[ryantegan]

Got you! Nah we are fine........I just don't like the blame game.

enjoying watch us at moment.

OT WARNING
Not sure what type of striker we need - the game is changing in the striker department more than any other.

The Bale's, Tevez's and Suarez's are the way to go and I think they attacking mids.

The Ade's and Dzeko's of the world are a dying breed IMHO ( I blame Renaldo and Messi)

the key is to find a player that is able to make intelligent runs and be able to link the play. oh and he has to be deadly from all areas







How much for van persie?

 

[van_Pommel]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTIyNjA0ODcy.html

Legend. Cheers mate.

 

[SteveH]

the key is to find a player that is able to make intelligent runs and be able to link the play. oh and he has to be deadly from all areas







How much for van persie?

£15m'ish 2014/15 season

I think we need a different type to the "big guy who holds the ball up"?

 

[AW?]

When's he going to shave that thing off the top of his lip? It makes him look about 14. He talks sense though, and that scream on the commentary of the CL game Barca v Chelsea was bloody gold hahaha!

 

[gilzeantheking]

I had to laugh at his indignation about how everything in London is expensive. "I could put a deposit on a small house in Bury for what I pay for a fillet steak in London."

Still has his feet on the ground.

He wasn't the most technically gifted player but worked hard over the years on other aspects of his game which kept him at the top. I love the way that poor defending still exasperates him. For me he has made MNF a must see.

 

[sbrustad]

Nice little bit of play by Adebayor for our first goal. Remember everyone heaping praise on Defoe when he did the same thing against United (i think) in the 3-2 win at OT.

Around where I was sat sunday a lot of people were booing and jeering Adebayor, some went so far as to boo him off the pitch when he got injured. I guess people just see what they want to see.

 

[alamo]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTIyNjA0ODcy.html

Thank you Steve. I really enjoyed that and echo the sentiments of others in that he is an interesting and insightful pundit.

 

[The Spurs Lad]

Nice little bit of play by Adebayor for our first goal. Remember everyone heaping praise on Defoe when he did the same thing against United (i think) in the 3-2 win at OT.

Around where I was sat sunday a lot of people were booing and jeering Adebayor, some went so far as to boo him off the pitch when he got injured. I guess people just see what they want to see.

Probably more to do with him blatantly not even bothering to challenge for headers that are 3 yards away from him and picking and choosing when he can be bothered to close down missplaced passes or his own poor touches than anything else.

 

[nightgoat]

Probably more to do with him blatantly not even bothering to challenge for headers that are 3 yards away from him and picking and choosing when he can be bothered to close down missplaced passes or his own poor touches than anything else.

And risking being sent off with his crap little fall in the penalty area in the first half. Having said that, I don't think what he was actually booked for warranted a yellow card. No other player on the pitch would have been booked for that challenge.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Sorry, I know the son of Neville Neville is very popular on this board but I don't actually agree fundamentally with everything that he said.

Spurs and Arsenal have two of the best defences this season - this despite not having the biggest spending budgets - Arsenal have the second best away conceding record to ManU in the league. So their (and our) methodology seems to be working pretty well.

We allow fewer shots than anyone in the EPL.(I think)

When you really analyse it, how many clear cut chances were actually created on Sunday ? And how does that compare to other systems in other games. That game wasn't riven with chances at either end, there was possibly three or four quality chances all game. So why is that defensive model being held up as bad by Neville ?

He pointed out several "nearly" moments, but the reason they are nearly moments is that they require precision and coordinated actions to become real time chances.

What the Spurs & Arsenal system does is, fundamentally, say to the opposition, the only way you will craft clear cut chances is with precise runs and clever incisive passes that find them. These are rarities.

Personally I think ut's fair game to point out the weaknesses of a system, but only valid if you can prove it's inherently weaker than the alternative systems. And I don't believe they are or that Neville got close to proving it.

What he should have been analysing was the weakness in both teams attacks and the failure to exploit what he deemed as shocking defending.

He was looking at the wrong end of the teams IMO.

 

[alamo]

snip

I appreciate what you are saying, but that wasn't really the point I was trying to get across in my praise of him.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he says - that would be plain daft and the disagreement/discussion is half the fun - but at least he argues his viewpoints with intelligence and shows some kind of understanding of the game.

It is more that compared to some of the "expert opinions" we have had to endure over the years someone with an inkling of insight is refreshing and makes for good viewing.

 

[cjsimba]

Sorry, I know the son of Neville Neville is very popular on this board but I don't actually agree fundamentally with everything that he said.

Spurs and Arsenal have two of the best defences this season - this despite not having the biggest spending budgets - Arsenal have the second best away conceding record to ManU in the league. So their (and our) methodology seems to be working pretty well.

We allow fewer shots than anyone in the EPL.(I think)

When you really analyse it, how many clear cut chances were actually created on Sunday ? And how does that compare to other systems in other games. That game wasn't riven with chances at either end, there was possibly three or four quality chances all game. So why is that defensive model being held up as bad by Neville ?

He pointed out several "nearly" moments, but the reason they are nearly moments is that they require precision and coordinated actions to become real time chances.

What the Spurs & Arsenal system does is, fundamentally, say to the opposition, the only way you will craft clear cut chances is with precise runs and clever incisive passes that find them. These are rarities.

Personally I think ut's fair game to point out the weaknesses of a system, but only valid if you can prove it's inherently weaker than the alternative systems. And I don't believe they are or that Neville got close to proving it.

What he should have been analysing was the weakness in both teams attacks and the failure to exploit what he deemed as shocking defending.

He was looking at the wrong end of the teams IMO.

Very much respect your viewpoint BC, and was thinking along the same lines as you. But was just wondering what the general consensus is then from others on here?

Is Gary Neville right in that Tottenham, like Arsenal, were poor defensively and would have been punished had Arsenal found the right through balls (easier said than done as BC says)?

Or was that high defensive line, even when not much pressure was put on the opposition when they had the ball, something that we deliberately utilised knowing that Lloris is quick off his line and can sweep up any through balls (the majority of the time - ie. it is a risk, but a calculated risk)?

I understand that a high defensive line works when pressure is put on the opposition higher up the pitch, but it seems we tended to keep the high line even without this pressure at times. Was this a deliberate tactic or lapses in defensive concentration?

I'm interested in our defensive tactics so if anybody could go into a bit of detail about how we look to set up defensively that would be great

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

Got you! Nah we are fine........I just don't like the blame game.

enjoying watching us at moment.

OT WARNING
Not sure what type of striker we need - the game is changing in the striker department more than any other.

The Bale's, Tevez's and Suarez's are the way to go and I think they attacking mids.

The Ade's and Dzeko's of the world are a dying breed IMHO ( I blame Renaldo and Messi)

Agree 100% mate we need an interlinking player someone who can swtich between lone foward role when needed to one of the 3 behinde, so hes very hard to pick up and mark and will drag the CB everywhere, we just need to find this player and PS he has to score 30 goals a year for shits and giggles

 

[King of Otters]

Well that's streets ahead of Sol Campbell's analysis. What a piss poor joke that was on MoTD

Think the prozac has numbed his cognitive reflexes somewhat.

 

[Spurs1960]

Because that is true no matter if the defence steps up or drops back. A well weighted pass along with a great run will lead to a player getting through.

I think he underplays the impact that Lloris being so quick off his line has, as if you hold your line, which for the majority of the game we did, it means that players like Carzorla and Wilshire are reluctant to chip the ball into the space and let Walcott chase it, as they will just be conceeding possession in the most part.

I don't think he underplayed it at all, the correct weight of ball simply cuts that option out.

Neville's point was that a player of quality would have cut us to ribbons. Carzola and Wilshire either delayed their passes to long or over hit them. With better passing we could easily have been 2 down before we went 2 up but their final ball was poor.

Our players showed their players how to do it.

 

[King of Otters]

I'd love to go all hipster on your asses and say that 'G Nev aint all that', but what would be the point. He's clearly the best football pundit ever, ever, ever.

Still preferred Gray as a co-commentator though...