Gary Neville on Spurs & Poch on MNF

[CowInAComa]

It's not. It irks me that people take everything as it's said to them without question just because it's positive, but I could live with that. And it irks me that pointing that out is ridiculed. But y'know, whatever.

It irks me too. That and starving children

 

[thelak]

Poch has clearly just picked up from Arry\s work anyway....Im sure this is what he was trying to achieve when he said "Just fackin run a baaat a bit"

 

[tototoner]

Whilst I agree with Nevilles analysis.

Running, is one of the most useless and overused stats in English football. If Poch's Southampton ran the most, why didnt they win the league? Because running is not as important as people like to think.

Agree, sometimes standing still to stay in position is just as important as running, but I have never seen stats for someone standing still

 

[npearl4spurs]

It is quite refreshing to see some positive press and some plaudits come our club's way. Seems even here in America every time I proudly announce I'm a Spurs fan I get, "Who?!" or "Oh, I'm sorry!" or "hahahahahaha" even from some Liverpool git in Fantasy (American) football.

Hard work pays off. End of. The players constantly talk about how hard Poch and the staff makes them work, and now they have smiles on their faces. It must be really exciting for the players to see their hard work translate into success and quite impressionable on our young players.

I just hope that Poch and his staff are doing the work needed on the film side of things, too. I have seen a couple of videos where the youth have had to stand in front of their teammates and talk about tactics or coaches are teaching the youth, but I really hope in the senior team they are studying the film, trying to iron out mistakes, trying to reinforce the good things, trying to perfect the things that are helping us win. We have the hard work and fitness, we just need more match and tactical acumen and that "Sixth sense" of knowing your teammates, where they are both to defend well and to score great goals.

 

[Misfit]

I can't remember now but I think he mentioned changing the culture? That is the one thing that does take time. It's going to happen in steps but certain clubs do have a historical culture or attitude and the modern game has no time for it. Think about it in terms of earning the right the play in ye olde days. You have to start from a base and a consistent one with no extra fat before you give yourself a legitimate chance.

No doubt everyone at the club wants swash-buckling football and will be trying to reach that point but it starts with players who have their roles in every context of a match drilled into them like footballing robots sent back in time from the future. The reason Danny Rose might be able to overload the left hand side and press the oppo RB along with our LW is precisely because one of the DMs or whoever will automatically drop back into that area in case of not winning/lost possession. Without fail. There's no hope of getting that level of discipline instilled into individual players or an entire squad if they don't even faahkin run abaaht a bit. The use of the running stats have clouded that issue. It is only one variable after all. Plonk Messi and CRonaldo into any team you'd like to name, with any footballing style and they'd be better off.

Ultimately this is all bells and whistles tbh as even if we put this plan into effect with zero error we might, maybe have 2 or 3 goes in the CL every decade. The only true way to compete long-term at the highest echelons of football is with staggering sums of money. Hundreds of millions in turnover each year which for businesses that aren't exactly global behemoths is ridiculous but there it is. We need that fucking stadium.

 

[Nocando]

FYI
He is using the statistics on running to show how the mentality of Spurs has changed and that his philosophy is being implemented. He isnt saying running is the best statistic to judge how good a team is.

Its quite amusing how you even had the need to explain that. But you did.

 

[Spurs 1961]

We beat Chelsea and Arsenal last season, and already City now. They're better teams than us and we have no right to routinely beat them. That wasn't our problem last season and it won't be our problem this season.

We need to stop throwing points away against teams like Stoke and Leicester. Those are the games where we prove our mettle.

I agree with much of what you have said. However to make the top four we need to perform well against the best since that gives us confidence and makes them wary of us. For young players to know they can compete with the best will improve performances elsewhere

 

[Nocando]

I agree with gn. We are on the right track.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

I think some of you guys are reading too much into him mentioning that stat.

He only mentions it to highlight the change in mentality of the squad and the fact that Poch has us starting to play according to his philosophy.

Also, he says this in spite of his view that the squad isn't that special, basically saying that Poch is making the best of what he has.

All are positives, for which he is giving Poch credit.

Correct.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Good stuff from Neville.

Spurs have had a soft under belly which has caused us heartache over the years.

The Double team was a good footballing side but it was also tough in the form of Mackay, Norman, Jones etc and Bill Nic installed the likes of Dyson ahead of more talented players purely for work ethic purposes

 

[Trix]

I like Neville as a pundit because he speaks his mind, but he genuinely hasn't got a clue what has been happening behind the scenes regarding our transfer policy.

 

[beats1]

One thing that pisses me off about pundits. Is that they disregard us as a top club because our squad is poor yet we still manage to finish 5th consistently and even the season we finished 6th, we still finished above Man Yoo

It seems the real reason we have been disregarded by pundits is because we have been poor at beating the top teams however against the rest of the league we have been good and better than some of the big teams

 

[Trix]

One thing that pisses me off about pundits. Is that they disregard us as a top club because our squad is poor yet we still manage to finish 5th consistently and even the season we finished 6th, we still finished above Man Yoo

It seems the real reason we have been disregarded by pundits is because we have been poor at beating the top teams however against the rest of the league we have been good and better than some of the big teams

I think it's because we generally balance the books.

 

[Misfit]

One thing that pisses me off about pundits. Is that they disregard us as a top club because our squad is poor yet we still manage to finish 5th consistently and even the season we finished 6th, we still finished above Man Yoo

It seems the real reason we have been disregarded by pundits is because we have been poor at beating the top teams however against the rest of the league we have been good and better than some of the big teams

Exactly. I'd love us to win all the 28 games we play against the other 14 teams one year because, well, fuck me we'd have a good yr with 84 pts in the bag but also just to see the pundits still go on about us not being a top club whilst sitting in the top 2 or 3 positions. You know it would happen.

"Yeah, they were a ruthless machine against the likes of Stoke and West Ham but losing to away at OT by a single goal points to them being chokers who will always let you down. Bless them."

"Now Pool may have finished above the relegation zone on GD this year but with rookie manager Steven Gerrard leading them and their new signing Obafemi Martins, they'll be right back up their next season for their usual run at the title."

 

[Misfit]

I think it's because we generally balance the books.

I really hope we can hold it together for the next couple of years. The likes of Pool and assnal at least won't be nearly as smug when we aren't facing an annual deficit of £60m-£110m.

 

[DCSPUR]

seems like GN has a lot of time for Poch/ the mentality he is trying to instill and the general direction the club is going.
He also seems to understand the importance and limitations of "net spend" which is appreciated, particularly with SC having more than its fair share who don't believe it is an issue.

 

[Trix]

seems like GN has a lot of time for Poch/ the mentality he is trying to instill and the general direction the club is going.
He also seems to understand the importance and limitations of "net spend" which is appreciated, particularly with SC having more than its fair share who don't believe it is an issue.

I think any long time player under Fergie will understand just how important workrate is. It's no coincidence they won so many games when playing poorly, and running for the full 90 minutes to get that last minute winner was a huge factor in that.

 

[Trix]

At no point did Neville disregard us.

Not in that piece. He has done numerous times in the past couple of years though.

 

[fletch82]

Add the running stat to possession stats
Combine them and you see what we are doing much more now.

I haven't checked but I'd bet we are high up on both when combined it tells you that we dominate but are now working our arses off every time the opposition have the ball

Then combine Newcastle or Bournemouth and you get the real picture
Not only are we working harder but we also dominate possession I'd guess

 

[benski]

You people