Gill on Berba and Frazier..no option?

[DC_Boy]

Ibut if it's best for Tottenham right now, I'll just have to suck it up and try and deal with it the best I can. He'll get my full support whenever he plays for us,

well said Flatters

I can't tell you how many times I've been **** off with various teams put out by various managers over the years - but like you say - come kick off time you have to suck it up and get behind the team

okay we could both probably invent a scenario where short-term villification of our own player(s) could be justified but for damn sure a young lad who's acting under orders from Fergie, and will presumably be doing his best for us and to make his own way in the game, is not one of them

 

[johnmc]

One point people seem to have missed, is we are the ones taking the risk. He may be something special, or he may turn out very ordinary. But it is us who will be finding out. Man U just sit back in the knowledge that if he turns out to be a gem he will be back with them in no time. Where as we find out he is not so good after all and are left with only 2 realistic strikers. If he turns out special what can we do with him he is off at the end of the season. No matter what though we have to get behind him, even for the short term. It's a bit embarrassing to me to be used by Man U in this way.

 

[Hoowl]

One point people seem to have missed, is we are the ones taking the risk. He may be something special, or he may turn out very ordinary. But it is us who will be finding out. Man U just sit back in the knowledge that if he turns out to be a gem he will be back with them in no time. Where as we find out he is not so good after all and are left with only 2 realistic strikers. If he turns out special what can we do with him he is off at the end of the season. No matter what though we have to get behind him, even for the short term. It's a bit embarrassing to me to be used by Man U in this way.

As I've already said, we've gone for Campbell as our striker deals fell through so how are we taking a risk if it was either him or no back up striker for Europe? Surely not taking him would have been more of a risk? As I said, lets wait until the terms of the loan are confirmed until we critise Levy for that one.

 

[Flatters]

As I've already said, we've gone for Campbell as our striker deals fell through so how are we taking a risk if it was either him or no back up striker for Europe? Surely not taking him would have been more of a risk? As I said, lets wait until the terms of the loan are confirmed until we critise Levy for that one.

Well, exactly. I'm not happy about the loan, but if it's a choice between taking him on loan without a view to a permanent deal, or not taking another striker in at all, I expect taking him on loan was the best we could have done in the end. Perhaps it's not really anyone's fault at all. Hell, perhaps we wanted this to happen for some strange reason. Who knows... I just want the best for Tottenham, and if this is the best we can do for now, then so be it. Just bring on January. :lol:

 

[Seth]

I'm not, if Man Utd just want to take him back a better player at the end of the season.

Have we ever taken a young player of a better club on loan before to help him develop for the better club? I don't remember us ever doing that. Newly promoted Premier League sides and lower league sides do that. I just find it patronising to this club to think that we would do this. It would be bad enough if we were taking a youngster on loan to help them develop for a foreign team like Real Madrid or Barca (Giovani's really our player, remember), but to help develop a player for another Premier League team is just embarrassing.

As you can see, I'm not very happy about this at all. Sure, there's a chance he could be a better player to have this season than anyone we could have bought and owned properly, and maybe it was a choice between doing this and not having a striker instead of him at all, but I just absolutely hate the idea of this. I'll support him whilst he plays for us, of course... but as it seems as if he'll be back up to Manchester at the end of the season, I certainly don't want to get at all attached to us having him, so it's difficult for me to know how to treat him.

Well said. The statement about our status and ambitions this signing makes is the issue for me. Big clubs don't loan players. Aside from Anelka at L'**** a few years back (who was an established star from an outside league, not a rivals youngster) I can't think of any other examples of top 4 clubs (in any major league) doing this.

Some people are lambasting any negative posters as short sighted, however, no matter the short term benefits we may glean from this signing, the message we've sent out to our rivals and just as importantly, our players, will have a lasting effect. Isn't that more than a little short sighted??

 

[tRiKS]

Lets wait till we know what deals are or are not done regarding FC.

Don't forget we have money and another transfer window before we have to make a desision on FC. Get another striker in and send back FC who will have to sit in theri stiffs agsin go stale, demand a move and then we come back in for him.

 

[johnmc]

I take your point. If it was Campbell on loan or nobody, there was only one thing we could do. But what a sorry state of affairs to get in. Now who put us in that position, but I know that's a different argument. For now I am behind the young lad, so long as he is a Spurs player.

 

[Seth]

Lets wait till we know what deals are or are not done regarding FC.

Don't forget we have money and another transfer window before we have to make a desision on FC. Get another striker in and send back FC who will have to sit in theri stiffs agsin go stale, demand a move and then we come back in for him.

I thought Gills' statement made things perfectly clear. Anyway, why is a player who can't get a kick at utd desirable? And that's another key rule of successful clubs...don't take cast offs from other teams in the same league if you have any aspirations of real success

 

[worcestersauce]

ffs grow up, this is Gill putting on a brave face and getting in a little spoiler.
If we hadn't got him they wouldn't have got Berbatov or at least that's whet we made them believe.
Mark my words Manchester United do not lend their top young players to clubs like Tottenham it is too dangerous as they may decIde to stay, we are a big club but with perhaps more chance of playing time and of course we are in London.
They lend them to clubs like Hull and Wigan who with all due respect are not likely to turn his head.

And why is it when someone in authority at our club makes a statement people come on here to call them liars and yet those same people just accept what the CEO of Man Utd says as gospel.
They got their man but they got shafted on the way, they had to bend over and take it and they are now pissed off so I wouldn't believe anything they say as they are trying to save a little face.

 

[Hoowl]

I thought Gills' statement made things perfectly clear. Anyway, why is a player who can't get a kick at utd desirable? And that's another key rule of successful clubs...don't take cast offs from other teams in the same league if you have any aspirations of real success

Gils' statement did seem clear but it hasn't been confirmed yet. Even if we don't have an option to buy, as Flatters mentioned, he is better than no backup option for Europe. As for taking Manchester Uniteds cast offs, there are a whole host of world class players that I would be happy with who wouldn't get ahead of Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov in the United team. Let's see how Campbell performs if given the oppertunity.

 

[hodspurs]

we were desperate and had to take what ever we could..so as well as getting are best player we help bloody there young players...classic.

 

[DC_Boy]

Once again more quality stuff from you Worcester

 

[Seth]

ffs grow up, this is Gill putting on a brave face and getting in a little spoiler.
If we hadn't got him they wouldn't have got Berbatov or at least that's whet we made them believe.
Mark my words Manchester United do not lend their top young players to clubs like Tottenham it is too dangerous as they may decIde to stay, we are a big club but with perhaps more chance of playing time and of course we are in London.
They lend them to clubs like Hull and Wigan who with all due respect are not likely to turn his head.

And why is it when someone in authority at our club makes a statement people come on here to call them liars and yet those same people just accept what the CEO of Man Utd says as gospel.
They got their man but they got shafted on the way, they had to bend over and take it and they are now pissed off so I wouldn't believe anything they say as they are trying to save a little face.

Decide to stay?? he's on loan and since when do they let anyone go they don't want to? Yeah seems real dangerous to get one of your youngsters prem and euro experience at a top club to benefit your team if you want him back, or bump up his value if you don't. I can't see how this is anything other than win win for them.

 

[Chris12345]

Big clubs don't loan players. Aside from Anelka at L'**** a few years back (who was an established star from an outside league, not a rivals youngster) I can't think of any other examples of top 4 clubs (in any major league) doing this.

Man United/Tevez? :shrug:
Man United/Larrson? :shrug:

Or do those not count, as it wouldn't aid your Spurs bashing?

Our supporters and their simplistic views and unrealistic expectations are the ones making us a (so called) laughing stock, not the board... many fans are infact jealous of how well run our club is! And when the 'EPL' bubble bursts, those that weren't jealous will be.

 

[bjdspur]

If he turns out to be a good player then we should get the rest of our multitude of U21s players tapping him up the whole time he is here and get Ramos to make lots of 'there is a player currently on loan that we are going to be signing permanently' comments to the national press.

If he does decide to go back then we just reprogramme his sat-nav to always return him to WHL and don't let him leave until he has signed.

Offer OWF £3.50 and a big apple, job done!

 

[Seth]

Gils' statement did seem clear but it hasn't been confirmed yet. Even if we don't have an option to buy, as Flatters mentioned, he is better than no backup option for Europe. As for taking Manchester Uniteds cast offs, there are a whole host of world class players that I would be happy with who wouldn't get ahead of Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov in the United team. Let's see how Campbell performs if given the oppertunity.

We should never have been in that position in the first place. Heskey or Cole are better than nothing (possibly) but I wouldn't want them either. By cast offs I mean taking players who can't get in the selling clubs team (a la Sunderland, Pompey) with us, not players that aren't immediately as good as or better than their best players.

Sometimes we can be too blinkered when it comes to our own dealings. If A*se had sold Adebayor to Milan and got Gouffran on loan we'd be pi**ing ourselves

 

[Chris12345]

I can't see how this is anything other than win win for them.

Because if we didn't take him, we would have only Darren Bent as a recognized out and out striker with top level experience in our senior or reserve teams for the UEFA cup... and only 2 recognized (one unproven) strikers in our entire squad.

If Levy hadn't taken this (admittedly, not ideal) option on Monday night, I can pretty much guarantee some of the 'fans' complaining now would be asking why Levy hadn't done something like this so we at least had some cover.

 

[mil1lion]

So Jaspers info was a load of rubbish then

Not necessarily. Theres every chance that we have an agreement to take Frazier Campbell as compensation so we dont persue our complaint over Berbatov. If thats the case then Utd wont want it to get out in public. It would be a very hush hush deal. So if we decide to keep him then maybe Utd will say that they agreed to sell him, and it will be an undisclosed fee.

 

[Seth]

Man United/Tevez? :shrug:
Man United/Larrson? :shrug:

Or do those not count, as it wouldn't aid your Spurs bashing?

Our supporters and their simplistic views and unrealistic expectations are the ones making us a (so called) laughing stock, not the board... many fans are infact jealous of how well run our club is! And when the 'EPL' bubble bursts, those that weren't jealous will be.

No I don't think they can be considered similar moves at all (although I accept I've not remembered them all).

Larsson- experienced player who'd done it at the top level. In no way was it of benefit to a rival club

Tevez- class and proven at prem level when they signed him, also clearly with a view to a permanent deal (as was Mascherano)

I don't understand how you see me as a bashing spurs just because I happen to believe this move was of detriment to the club (in the long term)

 

[DC_Boy]

well apparently Jasper is sticking by his statement - so all you people out there who've been rubbishing Levy/Campbell whoever are not only being depressingly negative and disloyal with some of your comments, you may be prematurely and embarrassingly wrong