Harry Kane

[Bluto Blutarsky]

If we can't be a better team without Kane, then we should just fold the team when he leaves.

Of course we can be a better team without Kane - which is not to say Kane has not been a world class striker for us while he was here.

It will require other players stepping up, and a change in tactics - since we won't have Kane to bail us out. But, we are NOT the Harry Kane Team.


(And despite what some have said above, Ange has also been pretty clear that we will do things his way, and if players do not get on board, we will still do things Ange's way. And that way will require the striker to play differently than Kane has played for the last several years. If he is dropping into the space in front of the CBs, and looking to be part of the build-up, it will impact every other player, and the system Ange has for creating space and opportunities).

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Modern football, more than ever, relies on a highly functional system with those in their roles playing to their maximum - on and off the ball.

It is why PSG were awful with Messi, Mbappe and Neymar, trying to appease 3 players all considered the world's best.

It is why City and Pep have not had these issues because they have a highly functioning system and if one player does not perform within it, they are out.

We were so good under Poch, not just because of Kane, but because we pressed and worked as a unit. We just happened to have a 20+ goalscorer in it.

Pep's Barca were so incredible because Pep's system was all about short passing exchanges and they had Iniesta, Xavi and Messi who were incredible at this.

By the end of Messi's time at Barca, they were not the same team as they were trying to appease him and signing big names to fit alongside him but it wasn't working.

Which is why any time they played a big team with a very strong system they collapsed (Bayern, Liverpool).

This and @Mr Pink great posts

 

[yankspurs]

Nah look, I'm not having a go at you. I know where you are coming from, and it's the board I'm frustrated at not you.

I'm just really hoping Levy just rolls the dice if Bayern don't hit the magic number. I'd genuinely rather he kept Kane and put some ambition around him and see where it gets us even if it does back fire next season. Just for once reach for the stars, instead of accepting mediocrity year in year out, and by that I mean seeing 4th as a winning season.

We would all rather that. But it's just pie in the sky with Levy. He'll never do what is required to really push the club on. Ever. Sad thing is, with Kane & no Europe, all we really need is another quality CB & a decent backup 6.

 

[jurgen]

Last time Kane was going to go some people managed to convince themselves that Dane Scarlett could step up in Harry's place, so the mania is pretty restrained this time around.

 

[Timberwolf]

Nah look, I'm not having a go at you. I know where you are coming from, and it's the board I'm frustrated at not you.

I'm just really hoping Levy just rolls the dice if Bayern don't hit the magic number. I'd genuinely rather he kept Kane and put some ambition around him and see where it gets us even if it does back fire next season. Just for once reach for the stars, instead of accepting mediocrity year in year out, and by that I mean seeing 4th as a winning season.

I felt exactly the same earlier in the summer and would still 100% agree if we'd brought in any of the other managerial candidates we were linked with who would've each been desperate to build our entire attack around Kane.

But, while I could be miles off, I genuinely get the sense Ange is a proper idealist who is far more concerned with the collective approach and whether players suit his style than he is about keeping Kane in particular.

I don't think keeping Kane will actually have half as big a bearing on how well we do going forward under Ange as it would've under most other managers.

 

[Scott Spur]

Kane has done nothing of the sort this time.

Not actively like last time, but I’d ask if this whole saga and uncertainty is good for Ange’s preseason or not.

I’d wager Ange would say not mate.

 

[TheWook]

Last time Kane was going to go some people managed to convince themselves that Dane Scarlett could step up in Harry's place, so the mania is pretty restrained this time around.

He would’ve but Kane has held him back by being as good as he is

 

[barry]

I just don't see a world where we are better off without Kane. We've moaned and moaned and moaned in here about the last couple of managers being inflexible with their tactics and systems, and that should be exactly the same for Ange. If he's not capable of tweaking his system to fit in the best CF in world football he can join Jose and Conte for my money.

Fact is that is not the type of manager he is. I think too many are looking at his Celtic side and thinking he's going to set us up as a carbon copy yet he's said very clearly he's open to playing different systems to suit his playing staff and I'm sure he'd figure a way of playing his way with Harry.

If he goes he goes but no one can convince me it would be in the best interests of our team.

I'm suprised to read this from you. Don't you always go on about backing the manager completely. No grey areas.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think when you look at the whole picture its the best time for this to happen IF he's not signing a new contract.

Fresh start under a new manager and Harry not going to a PL rival.

That would sting like fuck. If he breaks the record at United it will be unbearable.

But more importantly, if he's not signing a new contract why not get on with life without him ASAP as opposed to the inevitable a season later.

A new manager with a high energy system, just feels like the right time.

 

[nicdic]

Not actively like last time, but I’d ask if this whole saga and uncertainty is good for Ange’s preseason or not.

I’d wager Ange would say not mate.

But he hasn't made it clear he wants to leave.

 

[TheWook]

I think when you look at the whole picture its the best time for this to happen IF he's not signing a new contract.

Fresh start under a new manager and Harry not going to a PL rival.

That would sting like fuck. If he breaks the record at United it will be unbearable.

But more importantly, if he's not signing a new contract why not get on with life without him ASAP as opposed to the inevitable a season later.

A new manager with a high energy system, just feels like the right time.

He’s said he is open to signing a new contract.

 

[mill]

True, but then Pep has changed his system a number of times over the years, particularly now with inverted full backs (hi, Ange) and a system that actually suits Haaland more than his previous tactics of a couple of years ago.

I think we’re saying the same thing then mate

 

[Mr Pink]

He’s said he is open to signing a new contract.

I know, but that's contingent on things.

Doesn't mean a lot, apart from another option kept open.

If he was serious about it he'd be doing it.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It’s not about the player, it’s about the team as a whole, the club.

Kane has made it clear at least twice that he doesn’t want to be here (for reasons most of us wouldn’t disagree with) and that uncertainty has the potential to not just derail the start of this critical first season with our new manager, but next too.

We may not have a better starting 11 without Kane, but we certainly will have a better ‘team’ without a non-committed Kane.

I’m not sure why some people can’t see that.

These are good points it’s been very disruptive.

 

[TheWook]

I know, but that's contingent on things.

Doesn't mean a lot, apart from another option kept open.

If he was serious about it he'd be doing it.

Guess if we sell him we’ll never find out if he would’ve or not

 

[Trix]

That's definitely a reasonable point of view and I'd love to be proven wrong with Harry staying, we score more goals than ever and somehow concede less with a non-pressing striker, win a trophy, and Harry signs a new contract to finish his career with us with his last game being a victorious CL final before taking over the reigns from Ange and becoming the most successful Spurs manager of all time.

Sorry, that ended up way more facetious than I intended, but my point is that while I definitely see your perspective, I just think in this era of football, how many teams are thriving with slow, non-pressing forwards, no matter how many goals they score on their own?

Ok how many managers in world football do you think would turn down the chance to have him in their side. I mean we know Pep wanted him Ancellotti and Klopp have both said publicly what a great player he is, Tuchel wants him Conte and Jose loved him. I mean right there you are talking about basically 80% of the top trophies between them over the last decade. If they'd all take him only an idiot manager wouldn't.

 

[TC18]

Last time Kane was going to go some people managed to convince themselves that Dane Scarlett could step up in Harry's place, so the mania is pretty restrained this time around.

I’m not sure your’e right there. We have people saying that a player that scored 1 PL goal last season is a better fit..

 

[Mr Pink]

Guess if we sell him we’ll never find out if he would’ve or not

True. But if we sell him its because HE wants to go....

 

[mill]

I’d be happy with him signing a year extension with a release clause agreed we get some money for him and he can still move if this season goes tits up

 

[Trix]

If we can't be a better team without Kane, then we should just fold the team when he leaves.

Of course we can be a better team without Kane - which is not to say Kane has not been a world class striker for us while he was here.

It will require other players stepping up, and a change in tactics - since we won't have Kane to bail us out. But, we are NOT the Harry Kane Team.


(And despite what some have said above, Ange has also been pretty clear that we will do things his way, and if players do not get on board, we will still do things Ange's way. And that way will require the striker to play differently than Kane has played for the last several years. If he is dropping into the space in front of the CBs, and looking to be part of the build-up, it will impact every other player, and the system Ange has for creating space and opportunities).

So do you think if Kane stays Ange drops him for Richarlisson because he's a better fit?