Homegrown issues and how they could affect Mourinho's transfers

[mawspurs]

Tottenham Hotspur have long had problems with their homegrown numbers but how do they look in this latest transfer window?

Source: Football London

 

[sausage]

"Tottenham Hotspur have long had problems with their homegrown numbers"

Have we?

Despite having most of the England squad for the last god knows how many years?

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

"Tottenham Hotspur have long had problems with their homegrown numbers"

Have we?

Despite having most of the England squad for the last god knows how many years?

Being in the England team doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a homegrown player.

Dier isn’t homegrown but Foyth will be

 

[chrissivad]

"Tottenham Hotspur have long had problems with their homegrown numbers"

Have we?

Despite having most of the England squad for the last god knows how many years?

1 of those players isn't home grown, and we have lost Walker and Trippier as well.
If Rose goes, and a question mark over Winks... We are looking thin.

 

[chrissivad]

Being in the England team doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a homegrown player.

Dier isn’t homegrown but Foyth will be

Foyth won't.
He turned 21 during his 3rd season, so will miss out

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Foyth won't.
He turned 21 during his 3rd season, so will miss out

Yes you’re right, I was going off a tweet someone took (wrongly) from the article.

point still stands being a England player doesn’t automatically mean you’re a homegrown player

 

[DCSPUR]

winks ain't leaving

 

[sausage]

1 of those players isn't home grown, and we have lost Walker and Trippier as well.
If Rose goes, and a question mark over Winks... We are looking thin.

The quote was "long have" though, not "now have"

Winks, Dele, Rose, Kane in recent types, and the likes of Townsend and Walker to add to that a few years ago.

 

[C0YS]

"Tottenham Hotspur have long had problems with their homegrown numbers"

Have we?

Despite having most of the England squad for the last god knows how many years?

Yes we have. Last season we had to move on Wanayama because there wasn't a squad place left for him. we were on 17, Vorm and Vertonghen leaving makes 15, so right now we can make two non homegrown signings without having to sell.

I think calling it a homegrown number problem is a bit misleading, our problem is actually a high number of non-homegrown players. For the CL we tend to have bigger issues as Davies, bizarrely, is also not listed as home grown.

This is purely technical, not about or ability of producing 'english' talent or whatever.

 

[chrissivad]

The quote was "long have" though, not "now have"

Winks, Dele, Rose, Kane in recent types, and the likes of Townsend and Walker to add to that a few years ago.

True.
but with 3 non home grown keepers we have had issues.
In Europe we had to leave players out due to Davies not being home grown

 

[sausage]

True.
but with 3 non home grown keepers we have had issues.
In Europe we had to leave players out due to Davies not being home grown

Yeah, it's definitely making a mountain of it. People obsess about the 3 non-HG goalkeepers like we're leaving players out of the squad.

Yes we have. Last season we had to move on Wanayama because there wasn't a squad place left for him. we were on 17, Vorm and Vertonghen leaving makes 15, so right now we can make two non homegrown signings without having to sell.

I think calling it a homegrown number problem is a bit misleading, our problem is actually a high number of non-homegrown players. For the CL we tend to have bigger issues as Davies, bizarrely, is also not listed as home grown.

This is purely technical, not about or ability of producing 'english' talent or whatever.

Hmm. We definitely didn't move on Wanyama because of HG issues - it was because he was completely finished.

For the start of last season, we registered 15 Non-HG players. We had space for 2 others we didn't even have. Hence, again, why the "3 goalkeepers" thing is hyperbolic.

2019/20 Premier League squads confirmed

See all the players registered by the 20 top-flight clubs for this season

www.premierleague.com

As originally mentioned: "have long had problems with their homegrown numbers" - when did we actually have any problems? Not last season. The season before we ever registered Nkoudou when Poch blatantly didn't want to actually use him.

 

[chrissivad]

Possible squad

Home Grown

1. Ben Davies
2. Harry Kane
3. Dele Alli
4. Harry Winks
5. Japhet Tanganga

Non Homegrown

1. Hugo Lloris
2. Erik Lamela
3. Toby Alderweireld
4. Son Heung-Min
5. Eric Dier
6. Moussa Sissoko
7. Paulo Gazzaniga
8. Serge Aurier
9. Lucas Moura
10. Davinson Sanchez
11. Tanguy Ndombele
12. Giovani Lo Celso
13. Juan Foyth
14. Steve Bergwijn
15. Gedson Fernandes

Under 21's

1. Ryan Sessegnon
2. Oliver Skipp

So we have 2 spaces in the non Homegrown unless we sell more (or I missed someone)
Still need a 3rd keeper as well

 

[C0YS]

Yeah, it's definitely making a mountain of it. People obsess about the 3 non-HG goalkeepers like we're leaving players out of the squad.



Hmm. We definitely didn't move on Wanyama because of HG issues - it was because he was completely finished.

For the start of last season, we registered 15 Non-HG players. We had space for 2 others we didn't even have. Hence, again, why the "3 goalkeepers" thing is hyperbolic.

2019/20 Premier League squads confirmed

See all the players registered by the 20 top-flight clubs for this season

www.premierleague.com

As originally mentioned: "have long had problems with their homegrown numbers" - when did we actually have any problems? Not last season. The season before we ever registered Nkoudou when Poch blatantly didn't want to actually use him.

Yes, and we bought in Vorm after Lloris' injury and in January we bought in two non-hg players, taking our number to 18. We then had to remove one from the squad, which was Wanyama. He obviously was past it, but he was also unregistered because we went over.

Having non HG players does reduce the number of foreign players we can have in the team. Absolutely 100% does that. These lists don't exist in abstract, you have 17 positions for foreign players under the age of 21, you cannot go past that.

We have had problems with it for some time. Normally not in the PL, but CL where we have regularly left foreign players out of our team because of CL homegrown rules.

 

[chrissivad]

Yeah, it's definitely making a mountain of it. People obsess about the 3 non-HG goalkeepers like we're leaving players out of the squad.



Hmm. We definitely didn't move on Wanyama because of HG issues - it was because he was completely finished.

For the start of last season, we registered 15 Non-HG players. We had space for 2 others we didn't even have. Hence, again, why the "3 goalkeepers" thing is hyperbolic.

2019/20 Premier League squads confirmed

See all the players registered by the 20 top-flight clubs for this season

www.premierleague.com

As originally mentioned: "have long had problems with their homegrown numbers" - when did we actually have any problems? Not last season. The season before we ever registered Nkoudou when Poch blatantly didn't want to actually use him.

I guess it depends on how you look at it if there is an issue or not.

For me it's been an issue for a while (or maybe a concern?)
We left Lamela and Jansen out of the European squad. Granted one was poor, and the other injured or getting back from injury, but we did leave players out

 

[C0YS]

I guess it depends on how you look at it if there is an issue or not.

For me it's been an issue for a while (or maybe a concern?)
We left Lamela and Jansen out of the European squad. Granted one was poor, and the other injured or getting back from injury, but we did leave players out

I'm still looking forward to when a welsh PL team finally qualifies for Europe and they are only able to list, like, 3 players as home grown (Cardiff currently have only one player that would count as h/g by European rules). How Ben Davies counts as Welsh is just incredibly unfair for a million reasons.

 

[Trotter]

I'm still looking forward to when a welsh PL team finally qualifies for Europe and they are only able to list, like, 3 players as home grown (Cardiff currently have only one player that would count as h/g by European rules). How Ben Davies counts as Welsh is just incredibly unfair for a million reasons.

If Cardiff or Swansea (like they did a few seasons back) .or any Welsh side in the English pyramid for that matter, qualify for Europe they are classified by UEFA as English teams, and earn points towards England's coefficient, despite being affiliated to the FA of Wales. Those clubs are not allowed to compete in any Welsh Competitions.
And we can't complain we knew his eligibility before he was signed.

 

[Lilbaz]

Mourinho has always liked a smaller squad of around 22/23 players. So not sure it will be an issue.

 

[C0YS]

If Cardiff or Swansea (like they did a few seasons back) .or any Welsh side in the English pyramid for that matter, qualify for Europe they are classified by UEFA as English teams, and earn points towards England's coefficient, despite being affiliated to the FA of Wales. Those clubs are not allowed to compete in any Welsh Competitions.
And we can't complain we knew his eligibility before he was signed.

I'm not complaining it's just absurd.

Even that system, means that Swansea, who have 4 homegrown players, who would count as foreign?

It's so absurd. No matter how you cut it. Particularly because it is damaging to welsh production of players. Just treat anyone from any Welsh club from the PL as homegrown, it can't be that complicated.

 

[Rob]

Possible squad

Home Grown

1. Ben Davies
2. Harry Kane
3. Dele Alli
4. Harry Winks
5. Japhet Tanganga

Non Homegrown

1. Hugo Lloris
2. Erik Lamela
3. Toby Alderweireld
4. Son Heung-Min
5. Eric Dier
6. Moussa Sissoko
7. Paulo Gazzaniga
8. Serge Aurier
9. Lucas Moura
10. Davinson Sanchez
11. Tanguy Ndombele
12. Giovani Lo Celso
13. Juan Foyth
14. Steve Bergwijn
15. Gedson Fernandes

Under 21's

1. Ryan Sessegnon
2. Oliver Skipp

So we have 2 spaces in the non Homegrown unless we sell more (or I missed someone)
Still need a 3rd keeper as well

Davies isn't is he? I thought it got stupid where he counted for some competitions but not others.

 

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