If we end up 6th next season with the same number of points, would you want Poch to stay or go?

[SpursSince1980]

So much depends on who comes and goes this summer. If we repeated the same position and played the same way as this year, I'd be frustrated. Frankly, if we play the same way next year and finish sixth, that would be impressive and a bit fortunate. However, if our style of play improved and showed signs of continuing to get better coupled with some inking that the coach has the ability to be flexible with formations and style of play, plus the ability to adapt and motivate his players, then I'd be happy.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

If we finish 6th next season, it will be because we focused on – and won – EL, and as such I think the manager in charge deserves not to be fired.

 

[SamR]

I voted Stay because Spurs should finish 6th based on Revenue:Wages - that seems to be the best position indicator.

Saying that, this has probably been the first season where I have lost some interest in Spurs - We are proper shit aren't we. It's not even just the team, manager or board - it's the combination of fuck ups that has taken us from a very good team to a bang average team carried by some good youngsters and a world class keeper.

I don't think anyone expects us to win the league, even top 4 would be an exceptional season but our fall since Redknapp has been horrorifc.

 

[ItsBoris]

I think I have a slightly different take on this than other people for the most part. I actually think Poch is doing well with the resources at his disposal and I like his system and think that it could be very successful with better players.

If we are honest, our players aren't any better than those of Southampton and Swansea, in fact I think both those teams have a better and more balanced first 11 than we do. The fact that we are above both of them and have for most of the season stayed in touch with the top 4 makes the season a pretty good one imo.

I think a lot would disagree with that assessment but I don't think everyone perceives just how far we've fallen. Imo it was the AVB reign and the transfers made during that time that really set us back. That's why I was also impressed with the job Sherwood did and said so at the time, I thought he was turning the ship around and it looks like he is doing that now at Aston Villa.

This season our biggest weakness has been that we've conceded 53 goals, the 4th worst in the premier league, but again I think that is due to the players we have rather than the manager. Most critically, we have no player shielding the back 4, so we are easily exposed. We also have Walker and sometimes Chiriches in the back 4 who are both huge liabilities. While Dier and Vertonghen are both good defenders, it's easy to bully that defensive partnership imo, and to correct that we have to play Fazio which makes it easier to get in behind us.

In attack we have pretty lousy players who lack pace on the wings.

So if we can get in the players we need and they are of top 4 quality in the right positions (DM, RB, RW, LW), then I will give Poch some more scrutiny next season. You can't expect a manager to be a miracle worker (which for us would be getting into the top 4 with this squad) but you hope to see improvement each year and signings make of the required quality who fit the system.

 

[Khilari]

Our final league position is of course an underlying measure, but does not tell the full story. Can't do it in a couple of lines...:

It ignores:

• the rise of Kane, Mason, Rose, Dier and Bentaleb.
• the fact that with Pochettino at the help, Lloris has signed a new deal (whether we keep him or not is yet to be seen).
• the fact that we have seen much more from Lamela, although admittedly much less than we had hoped and that his unfortunate price tag demands of him.
• his track record at developing players, which he may be able to apply to the incoming Yedlin, Dele Alli, Pritchard and perhaps Carroll

Finally, with control of transfers and the backing of Paul Mitchell, it would seem premature to change things and set us back a couple of years again. Even if we finish 8th or 10th, whilst I would be annoyed, gutted and highly critical of MP, I would not want him to be sacked unless there was a clear problem with the way the squad responds to him. Basically because the one thing we simply haven't had enough of is continuity, since Redknapp.

I'm certain the likes of Liverpool, Swansea and even West Ham will reap the benefits of some faith. We cannot expect with our current financial position to be in the 'top 4' every year, but would expect to challenge (which we have done consistently for the last few years despite managerial upheaval).

 

[eddiebailey]

I wouldn't be thrilled but he can't be sacked for finishing in 6th place.

You would think not, but recent history is against you...

 

[ItsBoris]

I voted Stay because Spurs should finish 6th based on Revenue:Wages - that seems to be the best position indicator.

Saying that, this has probably been the first season where I have lost some interest in Spurs - We are proper shit aren't we. It's not even just the team, manager or board - it's the combination of fuck ups that has taken us from a very good team to a bang average team carried by some good youngsters and a world class keeper.

I don't think anyone expects us to win the league, even top 4 would be an exceptional season but our fall since Redknapp has been horrorifc.

Yep I agree with that. It's just because we sold our best players, that's all. Same thing has happened with Liverpool and they only got rid of 1 of their best players. It's not worth it to sell players like Bale, Suarez, Modric, VDV, etc because you will be very lucky to find anyone else of that quality. No amount of mediocre signings you make can replace what a genuinely world class player gives you. What you have to do is to take advantage of what you have and recruit good players to play around them. Hopefully we've learned that lesson now. I know it's difficult to hold onto the best players when the biggest clubs come calling but you just have to say listen, we're building a team here that aims to win the league title and you signed up to be part of that.

 

[muppetman]

I'd like to try something novel - sticking with a manager for a period of time, maybe 3 seasons and see how we go. I understood the reasoning behind all of the previous firings but wouldn't have been too upset if we'd stuck with any of them from Jol onward.

 

[Bulletspur]

wouldn't have been too upset if we'd stuck with any of them from Jol onward.

Ramos the exception

 

[muppetman]

Ramos the exception

I'd still have given him a bit longer to see if he could have turned it round but that may be that I recall things in a more favourable light now than I did at the time!

 

[lukespurs7]

6th would not be a huge disaster, the same number of points well if we end up not getting any more between now and the end of the season I would say go and I am a big believer that we should give him time but 58 pts would be quite frankly shit. If it was 6th again with 61-64 It'd be dissapointing but it would depend on the strength of the league, our performances etc.

 

[Mr Pink]

Ridiculous without knowing the context of how the season would pan out etc...very unlucky with injuries etc, other teams over performing etc...so many variables.

Only at the end of next season can you really judge.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

To be honest I'm struggling to see us finishing as high as 6th next season. We've been lucky this year on so many occasions, and with the massive bonus of Kane's goals...if we lose Lloris as expected, and Kane suffers a loss in form or injury, we're scuppered. I think it's highly unlikely there will be any significant changes to the squad in the summer, so Poch will have to make do with what he's got, and he's shown so far that he's not very good at this. 8th or 9th.

 

[TwanYid]

Beaten 3-0 by Stoke, a bunch of cloggers and thugs, yet Poch is the right man to take us to the next level? ok

Reality is Kane, and also Eriksen's late goals, have carried us this season, but for them we would be where Newcastle and Villa are

Honestly cannot believe you would have the gaul to say something like this.

But for them we'd be in far worse shape than Villa.

 

[JohannTHFC]

It depends. It's not just about league position its about enjoyment factor. Watching us get swept aside with ease by Stoke is not enjoyable, watching an unorganized defence fall on their arse and make countless mistake after countless mistake is not enjoyable, watching Ryan Mason get dominated in midfield game after game after game is not enjoyable and watching us make no adjustments or effort to rectify the above is certainly not enjoyable.

We've lost 6 home games this season. 12 games in total and gotten hammered by 3 goal margins 5 times. If we finish 6th next season but we have a nice goal difference and lost only 2 or 3 home games by slight margins I'd say fair enough. If we are as pathetic as we've been this season I think I'd be in the out camp because we've regressed from last season.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I don't care if we sign no one, if Kane isn't as prolific or whatever else barring some insane injury crisis where two thirds of squad miss the season. If we lose 12 league games next season I will 100% want him gone. It's not good enough at all, and for me to feel Pochettino is the right man for job then the amount of times we are beaten has to reduce.
League position isn't what I'll judge in his second season it's losing games we simply should not be, especially at home.

 

[Spurger King]

Barring a "2 points from 8 games" scenario, I'd like to see him get the whole of next season.

If, as I suspect, there's little or no improvement, at least our fans will be able to agree that he was given a reasonable amount of time, and couldn't cut it.

It would also reflect better on us in terms of trying to appeal to new managers.

 

[thinktank]

Don't you think that the problem is more than players that he allegedly wants? As I said before if there was some semblance of proper man and squad management, tactical know how eg effective formations and substitutions etc, then I would agree but so far these have been disappointingly lacking. I honestly believe that a more adept manager would have gotten much more out of our squad and that includes youth players. Getting players that he allegedly wants will just see a repeat of the same, what then?

I said at the beginning he would come here and drive home his method. Levy knew that that was the kind of manager he is. He wanted to come here and start to shape 4231 from the get go...I said from the beginning - and at various other times when people were demanding all sorts of shapes - that it wouldn't happen.

LVG would have come here and pushed his favoured shape.

Once poch can bring in players more suited to his style he will get 4231 solid and then we may see more variation.

Everyone needs to just suck it up.

The end result will be worth it.

 

[YiddoTom90]

he needs to rethink his plans because a lack of plan B wont get you anywhere, he always looks like he doesn't know what to do, especially if teams suss out his formula which does worry me, ill see where we are at Christmas before thinking more into it

 

[Spurger King]

I said at the beginning he would come here and drive home his method. Levy knew that that was the kind of manager he is. He wanted to come here and start to shape 4231 from the get go...I said from the beginning - and at various other times when people were demanding all sorts of shapes - that it wouldn't happen.

LVG would have come here and pushed his favoured shape.

Once poch can bring in players more suited to his style he will get 4231 solid and then we may see more variation.

Everyone needs to just suck it up.

The end result will be worth it.

Wish I had your confidence.

Could be a very interesting season with Dele Alli coming in, and hopefully Pritchard coming back. If they fit well into the team and adapt to the Prem, I'd be more than happy if it looks like things are starting to come together, regardless of our final league position.

Unfortunately he hasn't covered himself in glory this season.