Intertoto question

[slewis1972]

Excuse my ignorance but subject to us not winning the carling cup, UEFA Cup and not getting relegated, is there anyway we can get accepted for the Intertoto Cup?

If so, does anyone think Harry will apply so we have a chance of European football next season

Scott

 

[DC_Boy]

AFAIK the inter toto is no more

there are different entry reqirements for the europa lge

 

[slewis1972]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for that. Any ideas what the new rules are?

Am I correct in thinking the only way can quality is either a stinking good run in the leagure or we win on Sunday at the carling cup final?

Scott

 

[mackay59]

When Manure come 5th in Prem.........the CC loser wont qualify either.

Lol.

 

[DC_Boy]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for that. Any ideas what the new rules are?

Am I correct in thinking the only way can quality is either a stinking good run in the leagure or we win on Sunday at the carling cup final?

Scott

no problems scott

the only realistic way for us is the win on sunday

that's why I say don't play any of the cup final XI on thursday - except possibly Gomes

but I wouldn't even risk him having thought about it

jansson or cudicini to start for me

 

[JollyHappy]

We are 7 points off 7th place. If we lose the CC final then depending on how the FA cup goes then Europe may go down to 7th.

Of course staying up is the target, but 7 points over 12 games is not impossible considering that none of the other teams are consistent.

 

[DC_Boy]

We are 7 points off 7th place. If we lose the CC final then depending on how the FA cup goes then Europe may go down to 7th.

Of course staying up is the target, but 7 points over 12 games is not impossible considering that none of the other teams are consistent.

fair point JH - I hadn't realised we were that close

can't see it happening but it is more realistic than I thought

 

[Star_of_Davids]

Is there still a fair play place for the Europa League? We normally do quite well in that (I know it's a draw from winners of various 'fair play' leagues)

 

[backrow]

Sad but I thinking on the same lines over the weekend. Looking at the UEFA web page it says there are 3 additional places for Fair Play next season.. bad news is Norway, Denmark and Scotland lead the way.. cannot see how it can change too much now.. Dont worry we will WIN on sunday.. lightening can strike twice..

 

[ginol@14]

thank god for that
i think a season out of europe will actually do us good
we can focus on pushing up the league

 

[camaj]

IIRC some countries get an automatic fairplay place, then the others go into a draw. So England can still get a fair play place, I think we were close on Jol's first season in charge and there was a draw at HT in some woman's international match.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

If it's the same as previous seasons, the fairest fair play league in Europe gets an automatic spot. That's why Man City qualified for UEFA this season (Although they finished 5th in the EPL Fair Play League, they were the highest not already in Europe).

After that, I think the next four fairest leagues go into a pot and two get selected. In Jol's first season the English League (of which we were the representatives) missed out on this draw.

The last time I looked we were 4th in the EPL Fair Play League with Arsenal and Chelsea directly above us. However, Fulham were at the top and looked pretty clearly there. Pompey were just behind us. That was a while ago though.


Realistically, Europe is a long, long way off. However, I do hate the Intertoto so possibly good news that we don't have that option. We've been bad enough at the start of a season recently without it kicking off in ruddy July.

 

[camaj]

I had no problem with the intertoto, it was just like having pre-season friendlies with some reward at the end.

Clearly if Fulham finish above us in the fair play league they'd be the English club in the europa. However, Fulham might finish 7th and if that gets them into europe it'd help us out too

 

[lilywhitecurtis]

Now the intertoto is gone what will the barcodes have a chance of winning?

 

[KentuckyYid]

A footie show over here was just talking a few weeks ago about CC winners not winning a uefa place anymore.

I still haven't seen anything concrete that they're wrong...

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I think it's not quite that dramatic, KY. Not sure, but I think the CC winners (not the runners up in any scenario, even if United do the quadruple) will take up one of the FAs allocated UEFA Spots in lieu of us using it for 6th spot in the league - ie the exact situation we're in now.

It is more likely that the winners of the CC will go into a qualifying round than no round at all. And that only if there is such a severe change.

Would be good to have that confirmed, though.

 

[mil1lion]

Reading from the site that would know...

• Qualifying for the UEFA Europa League consists of four rounds. The domestic cup winners from the associations ranked 52 and 53 in the UEFA coefficient ranking, plus the domestic league runners-up from the associations ranked 35 to 51 (except Liechtenstein), the third-placed side from the associations ranked 22 to 51 (except Liechtenstein) and the three UEFA Fair Play winners enter the competition in the first qualifying round, which consists of two legs played on a home-and-away basis.

• The winners of those 25 ties are joined in the second qualifying round by the domestic cup winners from the associations ranked 28 to 51 in the UEFA coefficient, the runners-up from the associations ranked 19 to 34, the third-placed sides from the associations ranked 16 to 21, the fourth-placed sides from the associations ranked 10 to 15 and the fifth-placed sides from the associations ranked 7 to 9. These ties are also played over two legs, home and away.

• The victorious sides from those 40 ties progress to the third qualifying round, which also includes the domestic cup winners from the associations ranked 16 to 27, the domestic league runners-up from the associations ranked 16 to 18, the third-placed league side from the associations ranked 10 to 15, the fourth-placed side from the associations ranked 7 to 9, the fifth-placed side from the association ranked 4 to 6 and the sixth-placed side from the associations ranked 1 to 3. Again, these two legs are played home and away.

• The winners of these 35 ties are joined in the play-off round by the 15 losing teams from the UEFA Champions League third qualifying round. Also entering the competition at this stage are the domestic cup winners from the associations ranked 1 to 15, the third-placed league sides from the associations ranked 7 to 9, the fourth-placed team from the associations ranked 4 to 6 and the fifth-placed teams from the associations ranked 1 to 3.

• The 37 victorious sides from these two legs qualify for the UEFA Europa League group stage, which also includes the ten losing sides from the UEFA Champions League play-off round and the UEFA Europa League holders.

• The losing finalist for the domestic cup competition will still be entitled to be entered for the UEFA Europa League should the domestic cup winners qualify for the UEFA Champions League.

England are currently the associated team in 1st place. But even if it changes, we will still be in the ranked 1st to 3rd (which i've highlighted.) No mention of the Intertoto Cup this year as DC Boy mentioned.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=2097152/newsid=788326.html

Basically it means that the team that finishes 6th (Everton) will enter the 3rd qualifying round of the Europa League (a 2 legged match.) If that team wins over the 2 legs then they go to a play-off match which is joined by the team that finishes 5th (Arsenal/Aston Villa) and the Domestic Cup winners (Carling Cup and FA Cup) It doesn't seem to be clear on the Cup runner ups though.

But the format (as far as i can tell) is that the FA Cup runner up will still qualify for Europa League if the winner qualifies for the Champions League (as also highlighted at the bottom.) But the Carling Cup runner up cant qualify as its only the winner of that one who will qualify. So that would mean that the Carling Cup slot goes to 6th place in the League, which means the team in 6th goes straight to the play-off round for the Europa League. Then the team in 7th in turn will enter the 3rd qualifying round in place of the team in 6th if you see what i mean.

So if we win the Carling Cup, we enter the play off round for Europa League, like this season. Win over the 2 legs and we qualify for the group stage. And the team in 6th will enter the 3rd qualifying round. If they win that then they join the teams in the play-off round.

Come 2nd in the Carling Cup and the team in 6th then takes that play off spot, and the team in 7th will enter the 3rd qualifying round.