Jose Mourinho

[Japhet]

The fact it got agrees and winners genuinely worries me.

You take yourself waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

No, he really wasn't.

Why are fans re-writing history all the fucking time?

It's not made up or rewriting history. His first game against us they were pressing us relentlessly. Their distances covered and sprints made improved dramatically. The style that he was known for at Dortmund was showing signs in his Liverpool team from very early on.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It's not made up or rewriting history. His first game against us they were pressing us relentlessly. Their distances covered and sprints made improved dramatically. The style that he was known for at Dortmund was showing signs in his Liverpool team from very early on.

Rather than pushing this I'll say I thoroughly disagree.

 

[spids]

It would appear that we need to concede the first goal (Southampton, Man U) rather than score first (Newcastle, Palace, Wolves).

 

[Shadydan]

You take yourself waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

My bad, must remember to adhere to the forum etiquette at all times.

 

[Kiedis]

I play football in the shittest level imaginable, and we were going into a home game agaisnt a team at the bottom of the table. We were among the best in the division and had the best home record, so we expected things to be pretty easy.
Instead, we went into half time at 0-0 and could count ourselves lucky. The coach simply told us; this is an absolute shit team, they've lost every away game, but as long as you don't actually go after them and go for the kill, they're having the time of their lives! They feel that they have a chance and grow stronger by the minute. Score a goal, on the other hand, and they'll fall apart. We managed to get that early goal, and went on to win 5-0.

Wisdom from my shitty level of football can't always be transferred to the PL, but in this instance, there is something in it.
When we so visibly retreat and let all sorts of teams dictate the terms of the game, waiting for that one single perfect counter attack, you may find yourself waiting for a moment that never comes. All this while the opponent grows stronger in belief in having "the mighty Spurs" under siege, and when we're playing the fine margins that we are, we'll always be in the risk of one of those endless set pieces wobbling the wrong way. And then we're not looking so cerebral anymore.

And while I'm obviously a very wise sage, there's probably a chance Mourinho also knows this. I wonder if he manages to solve the conundrum of there being about 10-11 teams better than us in the league when it comes to progressing the ball through midfield and making it stick in the final third. Liverpool changed from relentless pressers to being more prodding possessers when Klopp changed his assistant, so if Mourinho finds that he can't coach the stuff we're now very bad at, then he should probably hire someone who can.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I've never read so much bollocks in my life.

I read the Trump stuff as a bit of bravado thrown in to make a little light reference of the fact that a Jose supporter has not been happy with the last 48 hours since the Wolves game. I’ll be honest, I’m with him, and I’m still livid with this bollocks about the sit back and shell like it wasn’t his idea. As I would be if Lampard said it.

Forget the Trump reference but I think the main cut of it rings true with a lot of people.

 

[idontgetit]

He has better players and board who backs him.

So you don't think he's doing anything different?

 

[Jamturk]

One thing I think we can all agree on, Mourinho is divisive, look what he is doing to our fanbase.

I don't think that is good for a football club.

 

[pablo73]

As a Jose supporter this last 48 hours have been a bitter experience . The match yes , but the aftermath is the killer .

Mourinho , famously uses the low block a lot in his usual match strategies .He does it almost alone among the higher Prem teams .
He often talks about it in his pressers , a tool that will often be used by Mourinho teams .

THEN...he announces that the low block we played vs Wolves was nothing to do with him . No , the players didn't play the flowing attacking football he asked for . Inexplicably they decided to play a low block .

We have fucking Trump in the manager seat . Trump won the election and Jose has nothing to do with the
Low block vs Wolves . Complete falsehoods made with the simple aim of deflecting blame for failure from the liar himself .I fucking hate it
...and WTF do the players make of this shit ?

Like with Trump this such an obvious lie...and there's a sting in that too . He's saying that we fans are sooo stupid that we'll swallow whole
that the players are responsible for a typical Mourinho low block . Just pathetic .

..and don't get me started on the 'We were in control' rubbish . By anyone's measure that is another complete falsehood , more fakery to
hide his failures. YUK .

We have fucking Trump in our managers seat ....and I'm gutted .

I'd hate to hear your thoughts if you weren't a Jose supporter....presumably he would be more like Putin or Kim Jong-un

 

[Jamturk]

I play football in the shittest level imaginable, and we were going into a home game agaisnt a team at the bottom of the table. We were among the best in the division and had the best home record, so we expected things to be pretty easy.
Instead, we went into half time at 0-0 and could count ourselves lucky. The coach simply told us; this is an absolute shit team, they've lost every away game, but as long as you don't actually go after them and go for the kill, they're having the time of their lives! They feel that they have a chance and grow stronger by the minute. Score a goal, on the other hand, and they'll fall apart. We managed to get that early goal, and went on to win 5-0.

Wisdom from my shitty level of football can't always be transferred to the PL, but in this instance, there is something in it.
When we so visibly retreat and let all sorts of teams dictate the terms of the game, waiting for that one single perfect counter attack, you may find yourself waiting for a moment that never comes. All this while the opponent grows stronger in belief in having "the mighty Spurs" under siege, and when we're playing the fine margins that we are, we'll always be in the risk of one of those endless set pieces wobbling the wrong way. And then we're not looking so cerebral anymore.

And while I'm obviously a very wise sage, there's probably a chance Mourinho also knows this. I wonder if he manages to solve the conundrum of there being about 10-11 teams better than us in the league when it comes to progressing the ball through midfield and making it stick in the final third. Liverpool changed from relentless pressers to being more prodding possessers when Klopp changed his assistant, so if Mourinho finds that he can't coach the stuff we're now very bad at, then he should probably hire someone who can.

Sacramento is pure Cattenaccio, look at his history.

p.s Has Mourinho ever been as good without Rui Faria?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I read the Trump stuff as a bit of bravado thrown in to make a little light reference of the fact that a Jose supporter has not been happy with the last 48 hours since the Wolves game. I’ll be honest, I’m with him, and I’m still livid with this bollocks about the sit back and shell it wasn’t his idea. As I would be if Lampard said it.

Forget the Trump reference but I think the main cut of it rings true with a lot of people.

Looks like it.

Thing is, people want their cake all the time don't they, until it's not got everything they want on it, then they want something else.

 

[idontgetit]

As a Jose supporter this last 48 hours have been a bitter experience . The match yes , but the aftermath is the killer .

Mourinho , famously uses the low block a lot in his usual match strategies .He does it almost alone among the higher Prem teams .
He often talks about it in his pressers , a tool that will often be used by Mourinho teams .

THEN...he announces that the low block we played vs Wolves was nothing to do with him . No , the players didn't play the flowing attacking football he asked for . Inexplicably they decided to play a low block .

We have fucking Trump in the manager seat . Trump won the election and Jose has nothing to do with the
Low block vs Wolves . Complete falsehoods made with the simple aim of deflecting blame for failure from the liar himself .I fucking hate it
...and WTF do the players make of this shit ?

Like with Trump this such an obvious lie...and there's a sting in that too . He's saying that we fans are sooo stupid that we'll swallow whole
that the players are responsible for a typical Mourinho low block . Just pathetic .

..and don't get me started on the 'We were in control' rubbish . By anyone's measure that is another complete falsehood , more fakery to
hide his failures. YUK .

We have fucking Trump in our managers seat ....and I'm gutted .

Exactly, I can't stand it when people can't stand up and take responsibility. Against Liverpool I got what he way saying even if it came across as a bit silly to others. Results like Wolves and some of the other recent games though I just wanted him to come out and put his hands up and say hey my bad, it didn't work out.

But he won't do that. I wouldn't want to work under a bloke like that and I wouldn't want staff working for me like that.

 

[E17yid]

If we only get 1 or 2 points from Fulham and Leeds Levy has to be putting in some calls to potential candidates surely?

 

[idontgetit]

It would appear that we need to concede the first goal (Southampton, Man U) rather than score first (Newcastle, Palace, Wolves).

Does that not suggest though that we're a better team when playing with an attacking mindset than we are at playing with a defensive mindset?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Exactly, I can't stand it when people can't stand up and take responsibility. Against Liverpool I got what he way saying even if it came across as a bit silly to others. Results like Wolves and some of the other recent games though I just wanted him to come out and put his hands up and say hey my bad, it didn't work out.

But he won't do that. I wouldn't want to work under a bloke like that and I wouldn't want staff working for me like that.

We've had that, it made no difference lol.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Look, I understand a more conservative and defensive approach. He clearly doesn't trust our defenders and he's quite right not to. Toby is obviously on the way down, despite having been better this season and the jury is very much still out on Dier as a CB. He's still learning there (whether he will manage to learn is another question).

Sanchez has proven himself to be unreliable at present and Tanganga is still a baby. He also has serious doubts about Aurier & Doherty. Reguillon is still learning/adapting too.

So it makes sense that he'd protect them to a higher degree, and that's why there's justification in playing Sissoko & Hojbjerg together in front of them.

However, the approach against Wolves was the opposite end of the spectrum. That was asking for trouble. I'll accept that despite defending, they didn't really trouble us that much and were limited to long range efforts and crosses. But eventually, one of those will fluke into the net or a header will be won. It's law of averages. If you have 20 corners, you'll get a chance with one of them. Go ultra defensive in the last 15-20? Ok. But not 89 minutes.

He says that's not what he wanted. Well that's even worse. Because that means Wolves negated our counter attacking threat by fouling Harry Kane on the halfway line and Jose had no plan B. So he has to choose. He's either ultra defensive or he was found out by Nuno. Either way, it's not good for Jose.

I don't want him gone. I can see an improvement since last year. It's a tweak in mentality we need. Against Leicester we were cagey. They went ahead and he went gung-ho and we should have conceded more than just one more. Why the extremes? Where's the balance?

That is the problem - there is no balance Palace Arsenal Wolves 3 bang average sides we got the lead and sat on it. push on and we could have murdered Arsenal and won the other two games - there is no offensive plan that I can see - against Leicester we ended punting balls up to Kane because he is suddenly reacting. There is no cohesion to our attacking play other than give it to Kane.

He says I didn't want them to play like that but all his subs are defensive and fair enough it makes sense to drop deep against Traore but we gave them the impetus had no attacking threat whatsoever which is criminal with the players he has at his disposal and we were lucky not to get beat. Defensively we are better but you are going to be, he basically employs 8 defenders who just sit. Its alright playing the two sitting midfielders but then give the others a head to play he doesn't do that he wants his wingers to be additional full backs so his full backs can tuck in and join the centre halfs and the two central midfielders. He signs Bale but doesn't trust him defensively - he signs Doherty an attacking wing back and we don't play that system and yet releases KWP

Frankly the last two games whatever tactics Mourinho has have been exposed and largely down to his pig headedness and negativity. He reverts to type having a go at the players and not looking at himself he doesn't encourage any expression we have become the Arsenal of the George Graham era. We might win a cup under him but it god its hard to get excited about watching this team

 

[JimmyG2]

All very true and as Jose keeps referring to the time Klopp as had I think he thinks given time and more of an overhaul he can win us the league or something big but can we bare to sit through match after match until we possibly do or don’t get to that point, mabye if we endure the pain there’s a tiny hope he can win us something big but I can’t see it happening to be honest the league is just so strong in which case I’d rather he just win a Carabao cup this season and got top 4 and was on his way for a more progressive manager if we have a tin pot in the bank but I just can’t see him going anywhere anytime soon so as much as the football is horrible to watch we just have to hope it can produce results and win something as with no fans in grounds to moan Levy ain’t getting rid of Jose anytime soon especially as results wise we are about ok at the moment.

Suck it up guys and let’s just hope we get back to winning ways against Fulham and play some sort of semblance to football.

On 13.000.000 a year he ain't going nowhere
and we can't afford to sack him.
Suck it up for a year or three.
If he wins a trophy this year
he'll get a bonus,
a statue outside the ground
and be with us for ever.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It's amazing that none of you were in here praising him for the results he was getting (as so many of you like to say) against the better opposition, or against teams we've routinely played and struggled to actually get a result at ... So much so we topped the table (with some luck, negative approach) The minute we hit a sticky patch in the league 2 draws 2 losses and everyone comes out and starts having a pop.

Some of you talk about enjoyment ... Hard to understand, just seem some of you prefer misery and something to moan about rather than in the moment.

 

[rossdapep]

The way I see this half time waffle is this. IF he did tell the players to attack and then they clearly didn't, then one must ask why. Are they simply not listening to him? Has he lost the players already?
OR is what he said after the game not true? In which case he is throwing the players under the bus, and history tells us that does not end well with Jose teams.
It's either one or the other.

There's another reason.

The players simply cant do it.