Jose Mourinho

[King of Otters]

This isn’t his second season, just so everyone knows. Next season is ?

It might not be his second full season, but it absolutely is his second season.

 

[idontgetit]

The squad is good enough to win shit, it's not going to do so playing this turgid shite though. If Mou thinks we need more players then wait till then to play this style. Be an intelligent **** rather than a stupid ****.

 

[rossdapep]

Dragon1 on COYS about an hour ago:

Levy had the hots for Jose for 15 years Jose has plenty of credit in the bank

if he does not make top 4 and no trophy then he may be under pressure but I don’t see it

we are only halfway through the squad overhaul

To be fair he can only be judged completely fairly once this happens.

This squad wont achieve anything if we have to keep relying on the following;

Winks
Sissoko

As the driving/creative force in the team. They were both struggling to dominate opponents previously under Poch and our performances were very patchy. Never felt comfortable with them at any point. Yet here we are, still having to rely on them

Sanchez
Dier

To show focus and leadership. Dier may look better against the bigger teams when sitting back but hes really poor at bringing the ball out of defence, he's not good under pressure with the ball either. Therefore hes asked to look for longer passes. Whereas Sanchez, whilst quick, doesn't always read the game well and can't bring the ball out comfortably either.

Lucas

To make the difference in the final third. Can only really play well centrally and even then he just gets in Kane's way. His consistency is dreadful and bar the Ajax game, he hasnt really shown he can turn a game for us.

The others get a pass for now as theyve either done well or are new and need time.

Once Jose has got a completely new MF from when he took over and a CB pairing he completely trusts, I wont be making a call on him to be axed.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

To be fair he can only be judged completely fairly once this happens.

This squad wont achieve anything if we have to keep relying on the following;

Winks
Sissoko

As the driving/creative force in the team. They were both struggling to dominate opponents previously under Poch and our performances were very patchy. Never felt comfortable with them at any point. Yet here we are, still having to rely on them

Sanchez
Dier

To show focus and leadership. Dier may look better against the bigger teams when sitting back but hes really poor at bringing the ball out of defence, he's not good under pressure with the ball either. Therefore hes asked to look for longer passes. Whereas Sanchez, whilst quick, doesn't always read the game well and can't bring the ball out comfortably either.

Lucas

To make the difference in the final third. Can only really play well centrally and even then he just gets in Kane's way. His consistency is dreadful and bar the Ajax game, he hasnt really shown he can turn a game for us.

The others get a pass for now as theyve either done well or are new and need time.

Once Jose has got a completely new MF from when he took over and a CB pairing he completely trusts, I wont be making a call on him to be axed.

A Jose midfield is likely to comprise of 3 6 foot four converted centre halfs who can clear the ball a long way judged on the way he is employing the current midfied

 

[fortworthspur]

More revisionism:

Actual sequence of events:

1. Dele does something Mourinho doesn't like.
2. Mourinho shouts at him during the match - something that all managers do to all their players at some point.
3. Media picks up on single incident due to their fixation on the Dele situation - CLinton Morrison mentions it in the BBC coverage. Not reported anywhere else and in contrast to them or any other broadcaster mentioning the square root of fuck-all about any other manager anywhere else shouting at their players during a match which happens all the time.
4. Media asks Mourinho about said incident, no doubt to try and make another story from it.
5. Mourinho answers that he was upset when he shouted at Dele. The question came from the media, he didn't prompt it himself.

SC revisionism analysis.:

Mourinho has dug out Dele in public.

What makes it even funnier is that we're all so keen to put down the media for their bias, but when it suits our agenda, we parrot the lines almost verbatim.

now thats a bit disingenuous. for every question mourinho answers honestly he bullshits through 5 more.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

100% this. League position and results, overall, aren’t the issue. It’s the way we’re playing. He’s lucky there are no fans in the stadium because he’d be getting pelters for his eyesore football.

It’s Mourinho. He’s a divisive figure even amongst our fan base. He’ll get away with the style when we’re getting results because we’re all desperate for success. But the minute results turn, as they have, the reaction from fans will be disproportionate compared to what another manager will get. That’s because some fans never liked him and because other fans can’t abide his style of play (I’m in the latter camp, I never minded Jose the man). If he can’t produce results, there’s no point in Jose. But we all knew that anyway. It’s not like he’s a legacy manager who is building something long term.

Jol, Poch, Harry all got more leeway because you could look forward to watching their teams for most of their reigns. Without results, there’s nothing to like about Jose.

Spot on mate

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

To be fair he can only be judged completely fairly once this happens.

This squad wont achieve anything if we have to keep relying on the following;

Winks
Sissoko

As the driving/creative force in the team. They were both struggling to dominate opponents previously under Poch and our performances were very patchy. Never felt comfortable with them at any point. Yet here we are, still having to rely on them

Sanchez
Dier

To show focus and leadership. Dier may look better against the bigger teams when sitting back but hes really poor at bringing the ball out of defence, he's not good under pressure with the ball either. Therefore hes asked to look for longer passes. Whereas Sanchez, whilst quick, doesn't always read the game well and can't bring the ball out comfortably either.

Lucas

To make the difference in the final third. Can only really play well centrally and even then he just gets in Kane's way. His consistency is dreadful and bar the Ajax game, he hasnt really shown he can turn a game for us.

The others get a pass for now as theyve either done well or are new and need time.

Once Jose has got a completely new MF from when he took over and a CB pairing he completely trusts, I wont be making a call on him to be axed.

All very true and as Jose keeps referring to the time Klopp as had I think he thinks given time and more of an overhaul he can win us the league or something big but can we bare to sit through match after match until we possibly do or don’t get to that point, mabye if we endure the pain there’s a tiny hope he can win us something big but I can’t see it happening to be honest the league is just so strong in which case I’d rather he just win a Carabao cup this season and got top 4 and was on his way for a more progressive manager if we have a tin pot in the bank but I just can’t see him going anywhere anytime soon so as much as the football is horrible to watch we just have to hope it can produce results and win something as with no fans in grounds to moan Levy ain’t getting rid of Jose anytime soon especially as results wise we are about ok at the moment.

Suck it up guys and let’s just hope we get back to winning ways against Fulham and play some sort of semblance to football.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Hence why anyone suggesting that they know what Mourinho did at half-time and therefore stating that what happened in the second half is solely down to him is a false assertion.

The way I see this half time waffle is this. IF he did tell the players to attack and then they clearly didn't, then one must ask why. Are they simply not listening to him? Has he lost the players already?
OR is what he said after the game not true? In which case he is throwing the players under the bus, and history tells us that does not end well with Jose teams.
It's either one or the other.

 

[idontgetit]

A genuine question. What is Mourinho doing differently at Spurs to what he did at United that would convince me the result will be different?

Because this football ethos isn't something I enjoy watching or really associate with my love for the club, nor do I think it's an ethos with exclusivity over success as proven by Liverpool's success with attacking style.

The recent turn against Mourinho is no more of a knee jerk than the euphoria when we were top of the league, especially considering this thread is scarily starting to repeat many of the same things said in the tens of thousands of posts in United's forums while he was there.

 

[DiVaio]

A genuine question. What is Mourinho doing differently at Spurs to what he did at United that would convince me the result will be different?

He has better players and board who backs him.

 

[dudu]

So you geniunely think that all of the sudden Lucas, Bergwijn, Bale, Lo Celso, Lamela, & Dele, none of them are capable of scoring more than a single goal through 15 games? All of them at the same time and that isn't a reflection on the manager?

Are you somehow saying they haven't had chances? lamela has barely played similar with Lo Celso really.

I can also think of some pretty important and clear chances Bale and Bergwijn failed to convert

 

[spursfan77]

Most unimpressive one ever, mind. Not that it matters, as it's just recycled nonsense.


The media love nothing more than to string up a Jose team - except in this case, they are inventing an agenda and then instantly condemning it. Straw man media, if you will.

The worst thing about the whole Dele thing is that the hacks are failing to see the bigger picture - criticising Dele is nothing to do with the actual incident, it will be a way of trying to get Dele to see his contribution towards the team. Seeing that his risks are the team's risks etc. Problem is that Dele would appear to be incapable of returning to his prior form, because it relied on a hunger or desire that we've not seen for a long time.

I feel like the media would love to make the argument that we're losing points because Dele isn't playing, but I think it's too difficult to even make that suggestion.

They did the same with the Ndombele at Burnley incident last season but now it’s with an England player so they’ll be all over it more.

It is amazing they are suddenly so concerned about Dele’s welfare though isn’t it, saying that since he started with us they’ve tried their best to destroy him as a player (too aggressive, should be sent off more, which was the start in a change in his game reducing his impact as a player) and as a person (he’s more interested in things off the pitch etc). Journalists are utter scum who will do anything to sell papers, whether it’s bending the truth or making it up.

 

[Gilzeanking]

As a Jose supporter this last 48 hours have been a bitter experience . The match yes , but the aftermath is the killer .

Mourinho , famously uses the low block a lot in his usual match strategies .He does it almost alone among the higher Prem teams .
He often talks about it in his pressers , a tool that will often be used by Mourinho teams .

THEN...he announces that the low block we played vs Wolves was nothing to do with him . No , the players didn't play the flowing attacking football he asked for . Inexplicably they decided to play a low block .

We have fucking Trump in the manager seat . Trump won the election and Jose has nothing to do with the
Low block vs Wolves . Complete falsehoods made with the simple aim of deflecting blame for failure from the liar himself .I fucking hate it
...and WTF do the players make of this shit ?

Like with Trump this such an obvious lie...and there's a sting in that too . He's saying that we fans are sooo stupid that we'll swallow whole
that the players are responsible for a typical Mourinho low block . Just pathetic .

..and don't get me started on the 'We were in control' rubbish . By anyone's measure that is another complete falsehood , more fakery to
hide his failures. YUK .

We have fucking Trump in our managers seat ....and I'm gutted .

 

[DEFchenkOE]

All very true and as Jose keeps referring to the time Klopp as had I think he thinks given time and more of an overhaul he can win us the league or something big but can we bare to sit through match after match until we possibly do or don’t get to that point, mabye if we endure the pain there’s a tiny hope he can win us something big but I can’t see it happening to be honest the league is just so strong in which case I’d rather he just win a Carabao cup this season and got top 4 and was on his way for a more progressive manager if we have a tin pot in the bank but I just can’t see him going anywhere anytime soon so as much as the football is horrible to watch we just have to hope it can produce results and win something as with no fans in grounds to moan Levy ain’t getting rid of Jose anytime soon especially as results wise we are about ok at the moment.

Suck it up guys and let’s just hope we get back to winning ways against Fulham and play some sort of semblance to football.

Klopp was able to implement his style on the Liverpool team almost immediately. The game we played against them at whl showed that. Some of their results were up and down but the style of play was in the makings for all to see.

Jose has implemented his style on the team also its just dull and boring to watch.

If he could somehow win the carabao and achieve top 4 I think that would make Levy double down on his commitment to him.

I would like Jose to change his style, stop this low block obsession game after game. It's unbearable to watch for me. If he can adapt his methods and be a bit more progressive (like he hinted when he joined) I'd be happy for him to continue. If not I hope he moves on in the summer because this is not the type of football I want to be watching in the hope of glory at the end.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

As a Jose supporter this last 48 hours have been a bitter experience . The match yes , but the aftermath is the killer .

Mourinho , famously uses the low block a lot in his usual match strategies .He does it almost alone among the higher Prem teams .
He often talks about it in his pressers , a tool that will often be used by Mourinho teams .

THEN...he announces that the low block we played vs Wolves was nothing to do with him . No , the players didn't play the flowing attacking football he asked for . Inexplicably they decided to play a low block .

We have fucking Trump in the manager seat . Trump won the election and Jose has nothing to do with the
Low block vs Wolves . Complete falsehoods made with the simple aim of deflecting blame for failure from the liar himself .I fucking hate it
...and WTF do the players make of this shit ?

Like with Trump this such an obvious lie...and there's a sting in that too . He's saying that we fans are sooo stupid that we'll swallow whole
that the players are responsible for a typical Mourinho low block . Just pathetic .

..and don't get me started on the 'We were in control' rubbish . By anyone's measure that is another complete falsehood , more fakery to
hide his failures. YUK .

We have fucking Trump in our managers seat ....and I'm gutted .

I've never read so much bollocks in my life.

 

[Shadydan]

I've never read so much bollocks in my life.

The fact it got agrees and winners genuinely worries me.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

The fact it got agrees and winners genuinely worries me.

I don't mind the low block stuff, it's opinion and observation, that utter shite about Trump, the comparison and then the utter drivel that is interspersed after that drives me fucking nuts. It's got no place here and none of it makes much sense considering some of the interviews that were given prior to Mourinho's after the game on Sunday. Lampard's (that team that are meant to be competing for the title) wasn't much better. What do people expect him to say? Come out like Poch and drone on for 15 minutes saying the square root of fuck all so we can all agree 'we're onto the next game ... '

Imagine if he had got booked for what Klopp (the apple of so many fans eyes it seems on here) had done during the game at West Brom ...

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Klopp was able to implement his style on the Liverpool team almost immediately. The game we played against them at whl showed that. Some of their results were up and down but the style of play was in the makings for all to see.

Jose has implemented his style on the team also its just dull and boring to watch.

If he could somehow win the carabao and achieve top 4 I think that would make Levy double down on his commitment to him.

I would like Jose to change his style, stop this low block obsession game after game. It's unbearable to watch for me. If he can adapt his methods and be a bit more progressive (like he hinted when he joined) I'd be happy for him to continue. If not I hope he moves on in the summer because this is not the type of football I want to be watching in the hope of glory at the end.

No, he really wasn't.

Why are fans re-writing history all the fucking time?

 

[dimiSpur]

Look, I understand a more conservative and defensive approach. He clearly doesn't trust our defenders and he's quite right not to. Toby is obviously on the way down, despite having been better this season and the jury is very much still out on Dier as a CB. He's still learning there (whether he will manage to learn is another question).

Sanchez has proven himself to be unreliable at present and Tanganga is still a baby. He also has serious doubts about Aurier & Doherty. Reguillon is still learning/adapting too.

So it makes sense that he'd protect them to a higher degree, and that's why there's justification in playing Sissoko & Hojbjerg together in front of them.

However, the approach against Wolves was the opposite end of the spectrum. That was asking for trouble. I'll accept that despite defending, they didn't really trouble us that much and were limited to long range efforts and crosses. But eventually, one of those will fluke into the net or a header will be won. It's law of averages. If you have 20 corners, you'll get a chance with one of them. Go ultra defensive in the last 15-20? Ok. But not 89 minutes.

He says that's not what he wanted. Well that's even worse. Because that means Wolves negated our counter attacking threat by fouling Harry Kane on the halfway line and Jose had no plan B. So he has to choose. He's either ultra defensive or he was found out by Nuno. Either way, it's not good for Jose.

I don't want him gone. I can see an improvement since last year. It's a tweak in mentality we need. Against Leicester we were cagey. They went ahead and he went gung-ho and we should have conceded more than just one more. Why the extremes? Where's the balance?

 

[dannyo]

We’re either the best team in the world or the worst, there’s just no rational middle ground for these people. Modern day, social media, football fans I suppose.

I think there are plenty of people in the middle here. Many acknowledge that Jose deserves credit for setting us up to be hard to beat and having a clear game plan, which has been successful in getting us points that we wouldn’t have previously got. However, it’s also becoming apparent that setting your team up in the same way and consistently conceding possession to your opposition is not going to work against every team - more ambition is needed in order to kill the game off against these teams. I don’t think there’s anything there that isn’t fair.