Jose Mourinho

[Shadydan]

Poch got sacked after we started the season with 14 points from 12 games.

Jose is on a run of 13 points from 12 games.

No he didn't, he was sacked due to the from in the previous season as well.

 

[Metalhead]

No he didn't, he was sacked due to the from in the previous season as well.

plus his general demeanour showed that he'd had enough.

 

[razzmaster]

No he didn't, he was sacked due to the from in the previous season as well.

Was that the season where our last game was a Champions League Final?

 

[Metalhead]

Was that the season where our last game was a Champions League Final?

Yeah. Unfortunately it covered the cracks of our league form.

 

[Shadydan]

Was that the season where our last game was a Champions League Final?

Yep and you can disagree all you want but look at our league form from Feb onwards in 2019, we were in freefall.

 

[JCRD]

Took Klopp a fair few transfer windows and years to get them to where they are now. I still believe, though I am sure I'm in the minority, with the same amount of time and backing to cut away the deadwood and get the right kind of players - mentally as well as skill wise - that Jose will get us there.

I would agree with you except our squad is far better than what they're producing and they're partly to blame but the tactics are atrocious. I can't fathom how a centre back alone would determine how we play.

The question I have asked is would you really trust jose with say 200m. I don't know. We bought a couple of players and he doesn't seem keen.

I actually like jose and like his press conferences with the fact he doesn't take shit. I just want him to change what he is doing and if he was I think a lot of us would be on board with what he is doing.

Last night we had two shots on goal until I think the last five mins. That's been a regular occurrence and that really isn't something to look back at and think yeah... He knows what he is doing.

 

[razzmaster]

Yeah. Unfortunately it covered the cracks of our league form.

Totally agree, but I also think his previous work gave him some credit in the bank, plus he openly said we needed a painful rebuild.

I'm still waiting to see Jose do something to justify his hype and the recent form table is comparable to Poch when he was fired.

I don't remember us looking particularly good towards the end of last season either, much like Poch's final season.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Took Klopp a fair few transfer windows and years to get them to where they are now. I still believe, though I am sure I'm in the minority, with the same amount of time and backing to cut away the deadwood and get the right kind of players - mentally as well as skill wise - that Jose will get us there.

Getting rid of the deadwood is becoming much more problematic, as we have bang average players on top dollar wages, that the teams who could afford them, don't need them or want them. So, we are left bloated with the likes of Lamela, Sanchez, Doherty, Aurier, Sissoko, Moura, Winks, Dier, Rose and Davies, blocking the route for youth and any potential in-comings. These in-comings are conditional on players moving out, which is where the problem lies.

 

[Stoof]

I am not trying to lay blame anywhere but the following is true

We were a successful side under Poch but could not get over the line in trophies. Was that the manager or the bottle ( mental strength) and ability of the players It went downhill rapidly with the CL final masking underlying issues but ultimately Poch paid the price with his job.

Poch was replaced by a serial winner who was known for his efficient (dour) style of football but it had brought him and his clubs success.

The rational reasonably could be seen that take a group of fairly successful footballers instill some mental hardness and whilst they may not be PL champions that should win a trophy or two to provide a springboard for the future

That has not happened in a spectacular fashion Players have not adapted, may not be possible for them to do so and manager has not compromised so stalemate again.

The dilemma is now.
Revert back with the old failings with the strong likely hood of falling short again or on soldier on with the new ones an risk being not able to adapt and tripping up

I thought he term "Spursy" related to the team I now understand it to mean the club. We have a club with a first class stadium and training facility but we dont understand how to evolve as a club into a first class club

I hate the current style but it did feel to me that there was at least a base to start with but that does not appear to be achievable at least with the current crop of players. The chairman knew how JM had achieved his previous success through buying players so why ask him to do something different now That doesnt make sense

To sack JM would only revert us back to where we have already been To keep him will certainly cause at least short term issues. There is no natural choice out there especially for the players we have.

Either give JM money which has not been the modus operandi for the club or take several huge steps backwards. What a waste of stadium and resources

A massively uncomfortable place for DL There is no easy answer

I agree with all of this.

But also, one just reverts. One does not revert back.

Love you.

Stoofio

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[Wheeler Dealer]

Poch got sacked after we started the season with 14 points from 12 games.

Jose is on a run of 13 points from 12 games.

He isn't going nowhere, not when we have that massive cup final to play in April.. Winning this will be the start of ours and Mourinho's following decade of dominance!

 

[razzmaster]

Yep and you can disagree all you want but look at our league form from Feb onwards in 2019, we were in freefall.

Thanks, but I know I can disagree. That I why I pressed the disagree button. Had to take you off ignore first though.

 

[walworthyid]

Its interesting reading the 2 different camps. But ultimately we are in a bad situation that needs to be resolved. Whether you believe that the players are shit, as many seem to, or that Jose is shit, which I do, the fact is that it is going to be alot cheaper to replace Jose than it is to replace the players! That is how Levy will see it.

He will know that it would take a huge amount of money and a fair amount of time to completely replenish the squad. He will also be acutely aware that given the market we would have to sell our prize assets for much less than they are worth. That my friends, just isn't going to happen.

Jose will go. That is inevitable. How much shit we are in when that happens isn't inevitable. Levy needs to act now to minimise the damage and give us a chance to salvage something from the season.

 

[C0YS]

So then it begs the question and one I haven't thought about asking since Sherwood was in charge.....do we want us to lose?

No. I’d like nothing more than see us turn it around and go on an exceptional run. Same with Sherwood.

 

[Metalhead]

Totally agree, but I also think his previous work gave him some credit in the bank, plus he openly said we needed a painful rebuild.

I'm still waiting to see Jose do something to justify his hype and the recent form table is comparable to Poch when he was fired.

I don't remember us looking particularly good towards the end of last season either, much like Poch"s final season.

I wish that Poch had been backed but you know we are where we are and it's not even wort h making a comparison. It doesn't really serve a purpose.

 

[amathews3416]

He needs to be sacked.

Even when we beat City at home and were on that nice run it was clear to the common fan that was not sustainable. We were relying on two players in Son and Kane while they were in top form. Son naturally has gone a bit cold and Kane is always going to miss a few to injury. You can’t sit everyone behind the ball and act like you are a relegation team playing for a point at Old Trafford every f’n game. Especially with the world talent we have.

He also has tried to run off one of our brightest, young English talents in Dele. Thank god Levy didn’t budge there and the market is difficult right now. We have Bale sitting on the bench. All while massive underachievers continue to get game after game because they run around for 90 minutes.

I have never had so little faith or joy in watching Spurs. At least in the past we might lose, but would rather do it 4-3 than 1-0 with two shots on goal and getting dominated in possession. This is f’n shit we are watching.

 

[Shadydan]

Thanks, but I know I can disagree. That I why I pressed the disagree button. Had to take you off ignore first though.

I admire the pettiness I have to admit.

 

[Metalhead]

He needs to be sacked.

Even when we beat City at home and were on that nice run it was clear to the common fan that was not sustainable. We were relying on two players in Son and Kane while they were in top form. Son naturally has gone a bit cold and Kane is always going to miss a few to injury. You can’t sit everyone behind the ball and act like you are a relegation team playing for a point at Old Trafford every f’n game. Especially with the world talent we have.

He also has tried to run off one of our brightest, young English talents in Dele. Thank god Levy didn’t budge there and the market is difficult right now. We have Bale sitting on the bench. All while massive underachievers continue to get game after game because they run around for 90 minutes.

I have never had so little faith or joy in watching Spurs. At least in the past we might lose, but would rather do it 4-3 than 1-0 with two shots on goal and getting dominated in possession. This is f’n shit we are watching.

it sounds from that article on the front page like he's going to get a bit more time.

 

[Beni]

Youre right, all that is true but I hear this alot that this is the price for trophies.... is it? Since when was cowardice or ultra defensive and dull football and winning trophies become mutually exclusive? It isnt.

Look at Liverpool - we really need to look at and follow Liverpool as a perfect example... and I absolutely despise them with all my strength but they were very much like us who even started at a lower base as us (werent we ahead of them in terms of our development, i mean we hammered them 4-1 and could have been 7-2 by the end) - they have won the CL and the PL without having spent a tonne... they sold Coutinho to fund the two main purchases needed... i wouldnt sell Kane but we have a lot of dross we can sell for a good few quid.... give it to the new manager and lets fucking get going...

Whilst I get your point, that Liverpool are a good example to follow, however let’s not forget or people may not even know this. In Klopps first 3 seasons he won only 6 times out of 19 versus bottom 3 teams. 25 points out of a possible 57. This season against the bottom 6, Liverpool have 7 points out of a possible 21. We have 14 points out of a possible 21.

What I’m trying to say is, as good as Liverpool are, they have and are having poor results and performances along the way to have won the CL, PL and be what they are. Again they’re reverting to their 15/16 season with poor results and performances.

 

[bat-chain]

Even though I’m very down on the style of football and I posted OUT on the Brighton match thread in anger.

I want Jose to at the very least see the season out. I do feel for him massively when I hear his post match press stuff, I think he really is trying to be positive and wants it to work at Spurs.

I feel bad having attacked him because he really does seem a nice person. I really hope he can turn it round and make a few tweaks to our playing style. I want this far more than I want a new manager.

 

[amathews3416]

I should also add that Jose is damn lucky there are no fans right now. That stadium would be absolutely toxic with boos and anger with the way he has us playing.