Jose Mourinho

[Thewobbler]

If he gets us over the line and wins trophies then he would have done his job, but one of those trophies has to be Europa if we don't get top 4 because Levy won't be happy and might pull the trigger anyway.

 

[Metalhead]

If he gets us over the line and wins trophies then he would have done his job, but one of those trophies has to be Europa if we don't get top 4 because Levy won't be happy and might pull the trigger anyway.

just a league cup wouldn't cut it I would have thought.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Has anyone wondered whether 80% of posts are from the same 5 or 6 people on furlough repeating the same stuff?

Fuck you chatting about?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Has anyone wondered whether 80% of posts are from the same 5 or 6 people on furlough repeating the same stuff?

Fuck you chatting about?

 

[mil1lion]

We might as well keep him for the cup final and possibility of another final. Yesterday at least showed the players respond in the second half which suggests he hasn't lost the players. If he doesn't qualify for CL which is highly likely to be the case then he has to go. We've sacked managers for worse given the depth of this squad.

What I really want to see is some proper push and run football. I'm not sure what they work on in training but they play like nobody wants the ball. Does Jose work on this but not have the right players or does he not work on it much at all?

 

[Beni]

It's just all getting a bit heated at the moment. Thing is that we all want the same destination, it's just that people have preferred route maps to get there. Daniel Levy has the sat nav but won't tell anyone which route he is taking.

Who knows what Levy is thinking. I have always been an optimistic, and never have wanted a manager sacked in my days as a supporter.
Call it deluded or self torture, but I still have that hope, that if he can be backed by clearing out all or certainly the majority of players, who he doesn’t want whilst adding to our existing loan returnees with players of the right ilk, is a good start. Add this to him hopefully getting a full proper pre season and then fans back in the stadium from the start of next season, can only be viewed as an opportunity to judge in conditions he and all players are familiar with as their working environment.

You cannot underestimate the adrenaline or influence having a crowd in the stadium has on the players. Some thrive maybe more than others and are reliant on this for host of reasons. Playing with that pressure, gives them more of a buzz and confidence. Gives them that extra kick up the back side for 5% more or keeps them going for that last 5-10 mins.

Regardless of our performances or results this season, certainly think our home games the dropped points, with the help of the fans would have got them over the line, pushing the team forward, reminding them that the games not won and for them to up their games with that pressure.

Its like I have been working from home since February last year, and the effect it has on motivation is huge, where some days the level on what I do severely is different to being in the office surrounded by colleagues in my own team and outside in other departments.

 

[wishkah]

Please remove him. Please.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We might as well keep him for the cup final and possibility of another final. Yesterday at least showed the players respond in the second half which suggests he hasn't lost the players. If he doesn't qualify for CL which is highly likely to be the case then he has to go. We've sacked managers for worse given the depth of this squad.

What I really want to see is some proper push and run football. I'm not sure what they work on in training but they play like nobody wants the ball. Does Jose work on this but not have the right players or does he not work on it much at all?

Jose + push and run football ???????

 

[JCRD]

Whilst I get your point, that Liverpool are a good example to follow, however let’s not forget or people may not even know this. In Klopps first 3 seasons he won only 6 times out of 19 versus bottom 3 teams. 25 points out of a possible 57. This season against the bottom 6, Liverpool have 7 points out of a possible 21. We have 14 points out of a possible 21.

What I’m trying to say is, as good as Liverpool are, they have and are having poor results and performances along the way to have won the CL, PL and be what they are and again are reverting to their 15/16 season with their poor results and performances.

But they have won the CL and the PL with those statistics. Theyre not perfect, but a very very good team. Id take two seasons of winning the CL and PL with those statistics

Ive said this before FSG are very much like ENIC, they obviously hit the jackpot now with Klopp, we just need to take a look at someone like him and that in my view is a project manager who doesnt need the best but can coach players to be the best - look at Salah, Mane, even Firminho and even players like Henderson or a Robertson.

 

[Beni]

But they have won the CL and the PL with those statistics. Theyre not perfect, but a very very good team. Id take two seasons of winning the CL and PL with those statistics

Ive said this before FSG are very much like ENIC, they obviously hit the jackpot now with Klopp, we just need to take a look at someone like him and that in my view is a project manager who doesnt need the best but can coach players to be the best - look at Salah, Mane, even Firminho and even players like Henderson or a Robertson.

Those stats though, were pre CL, however they stuck with him. Yes their play is completely different to us and better on the eye. However, he was backed even after them results and league finishes.
Whilst Mourinhos style at the minute isn’t working, I just find it hard to judge him fairly and confident that he can’t turn it around, when he is managing in a situation he has never been in before and neither have the players. Yes, it’s the same for everyone else involved in the league, but that can be a contributor of the results lately that anyone can and is beaten anyone, regardless of form of league position.

I just can’t help the ‘What if’ in the back of my mind if we were to get rid of someone that has not had the same working environment he or the players are used to. This isn’t my opinion on just Mourinho, it would be the same if it was any manager, to be able to fairly judge on a completely unique time, with so many variables to cope with.

 

[mil1lion]

Jose + push and run football ???????

I know it's hard to imagine
His first Chelsea side and his Real Madrid sides played some great football though

 

[shelfboy68]

I know it's hard to imagine
His first Chelsea side and his Real Madrid sides played some great football though

His Tottenham side do not

 

[Gingernut]

Was that the season where our last game was a Champions League Final?

We lost more games than any other Premier league team in 2019 in all competitions leading up to when Poch got sacked. Relegation form

 

[SpursSince1980]

It was interesting watching pundits like JJ and Rio speaking about how putrid we are. They're not wrong. We've been in this state of form since we lost at Anfield. The players seems to have lost their will to fight. And Jose isn't getting through to them.

I don't agree with how all the pundits seem to mostly shift the blame on Jose. Yes, he is the maestro conducting the orchestra. But this is not the philharmonic. This is more like a group of 18 year old kids still learning to master their skills and play in harmony with others.

Personally speaking, I'm saddened by all of this. We are in such a sorry state. I know many think the buck stops with the manager. But that is a gross over-simplification for addressing a more problematic set of issues that the entire club is collectively responsible for. Yes, it is super convenient and expedient to fire the manager. We will likely lose or draw this weekend, and those that are baying at the bit for Jose's head on a platter... you'll get your wish. That outcome is as inevitable as Thanos. Mostly 'cos the players have thrown in the towel.

But I'm not mad at Jose. I just feel a profound sense of sorrow and disappointment at the general state of affairs. Because, once Jose leaves, it is clear that a rebuilding project will be needed. Which also means, goodbye to some familiar faces - by mutual consent. I don't doubt for a moment that Kane, Sonny, Dele, Winks, Sissoko, Lamela and Toby will leave this summer.

Whomever is the new manager will get to use some of those funds to reinvest in a younger squad. Which means, it'll be a couple of years of being stuck in the quagmire.

This year, we will be lucky to finish above 8th, based on the last three months. We may win a trophy... may not.

But this will be the end of an era. It should have been a golden era. But through a combination of player decline, bad luck, poor resource decisions, decimating injuries, and managers unable to get a tune out of this group for nearly two years... we've reached the end of the line. What could have been sublime, will now be in the rear view mirror. Time to mourn a memory that never was.

So, no... I take no pleasure in celebrating the potential sacking of a manager... regardless of who they are. As this is a club is utter disarray on the playing field and behind the scenes. Changes are required. The manager, however, is just one piece. And replacing him, is not a generalized panacea to all that ails us.

Hence, why I feel heartbroken.

Supported this club since 1980. We've been the very definition of average for so many of those years. But since 2015, we stepped up into the elite echelon. And it was beautiful. Amazing to finally see my team be mentioned in the same breath as those that we've looked up to for the better part of 40 years. We had it all at our finger tips... and then it slipped away. Because we didn't have the nerve or capacity or willingness to cement our place in that rarified group.

Fun while it lasted. Albeit brief. Hopefully, we won't have to wait 10 or 20 years to get there again. Much will depend on what decisions get made in the summer -- and I mean decisions about everything, top to bottom.

A change is coming. And with that change, comes hope... but on the flipside, it also comes with a lot of unknowns and the potential for another long dalliance with mediocrity.

Yay.

 

[C0YS]

Those stats though, were pre CL, however they stuck with him. Yes their play is completely different to us and better on the eye. However, he was backed even after them results and league finishes.
Whilst Mourinhos style at the minute isn’t working, I just find it hard to judge him fairly and confident that he can’t turn it around, when he is managing in a situation he has never been in before and neither have the players. Yes, it’s the same for everyone else involved in the league, but that can be a contributor of the results lately that anyone can and is beaten anyone, regardless of form of league position.

I just can’t help the ‘What if’ in the back of my mind if we were to get rid of someone that has not had the same working environment he or the players are used to. This isn’t my opinion on just Mourinho, it would be the same if it was any manager, to be able to fairly judge on a completely unique time, with so many variables to cope with.

The main difference is Klopp was always university backed by supporters and board, and this was because there was always a clear direction the team was going in, and every season they showed improvement. We would also take his results. He joined midseason and took the club to 8th and two cup finals. He then followed it up with a 4th place finish then 4th and a CL final, 2nd and CL winners then 1st last season.

Early Klopp's problem was always winning against big teams and doing worse against worse teams, and had to adapt his style to counteract that. But the team never really experienced a serious collapse. Now Mourinho might be able to turn this around but questions have to be asked in what direction is the club heading and can Mourinho develop something? Mourinho has never been at a club for more than 3 seasons. There is a reason for that.

 

[Bulletspur]

I do not like Jose's style of football as it is very ugly. However, I was happy to put up with it as long as it got us 3 points after every game. But we are not getting the desired results and it is quite apparent that he has no plan B. If he does not turn us around right now then I hope the club wishes him a speedy exit.

 

[shelfboy68]

It was interesting watching pundits like JJ and Rio speaking about how putrid we are. They're not wrong. We've been in this state of form since we lost at Anfield. The players seems to have lost their will to fight. And Jose isn't getting through to them.

I don't agree with how all the pundits seem to mostly shift the blame on Jose. Yes, he is the maestro conducting the orchestra. But this is not the philharmonic. This is more like a group of 18 year old kids still learning to master their skills and play in harmony with others.

Personally speaking, I'm saddened by all of this. We are in such a sorry state. I know many think the buck stops with the manager. But that is a gross over-simplification for addressing a more problematic set of issues that the entire club is collectively responsible for. Yes, it is super convenient and expedient to fire the manager. We will likely lose or draw this weekend, and those that are baying at the bit for Jose's head on a platter... you'll get your wish. There's not stopping that now. As the players have completely given up.

But I'm not mad at Jose. I just feel a profound sense of sorrow and disappointment at the general state of affairs. Because, once Jose leaves, it is clear that a rebuilding project will be needed. Which also means, goodbye to some familiar faces - by mutual consent. I don't doubt for a moment that Kane, Sonny, Dele, Winks, Sissoko, Lamela and Toby will leave this summer.

Whomever is the new manager will get to use some of those funds to reinvest in a younger squad. Which means, it'll be a couple of years of being stuck in the quagmire.

This year, we will be lucky to finish above 8th, based on the last three months. We may win a trophy... may not.

But this will be the end of an era. It should have been a golden era. But through a combination of player decline, bad luck, poor resource decisions, decimating injuries, and managers unable to get a tune out of this group for nearly two years... we've reached the end of the line. What could have been sublime, will now be in the rear view mirror. Time to mourn a memory that never was.

So, no... I take no pleasure in celebrating the potential sacking of a manager... regardless of who they are. As this is a club is utter disarray on the playing field and behind the scenes. Changes are required. The manager, however, is just one piece. And replacing him, is not a generalized panacea to all that ails us.

Hence, why I feel heartbroken.

Supported this club since 1980. We've been the very definition of average for so many of those years. But since 2015, we stepped up into the elite echelon. And it was beautiful. Amazing to finally see my team be mentioned in the same breath as those that we've looked up to for the better part of 40 years. We had it all at our finger tips... and then it slipped away. Because we didn't have the nerve or capacity or willingness to cement our place in that rarified group.

Fun while it lasted. Albeit brief. Hopefully, we won't have to wait 10 or 20 years to get there again. Much will depend on what decisions get made in the summer -- and I mean decisions about everything, top to bottom.

A change is coming. And with that change, comes hope... but on the flipside, it also comes with a lot of unknowns and the potential for another long dalliance with mediocrity.

Yay.

Fan's won't wait 10-20 year's of waiting to see if they can get back amongst it was paying the most expensive season tickets no chance.

 

[Spartanspurs]

I just realised Arsenal are now 2 points behind us. What the fuck happened?! We really can't afford to let this man carry on much longer.

 

[C0YS]

I know it's hard to imagine
His first Chelsea side and his Real Madrid sides played some great football though

It is a subjective opinion, but I don't think either of those teams were particularly entertaining. The first Chelsea team was based on solidity and winning games 1-0 or 2-0. 15 goals conceded is what won them the league. They did have a lot of good wing play on the counter, but it's hardly push and run. His Real Madrid team was probably the most entertaining team of his to watch. But a lot of that is down to the nature of the individuals (Kane and Son remain great fun to watch for example) and even then in the big games he would go defensive (and not do that well actually).

There is no shame in his style, but I think it was naive for people to assume we would regularly see entertaining football, and if we want that then there are managers better at doing that. Mourinho at his best is creating solid teams with sometimes sprinkles of individual brilliance, that is what he is likely to revert to.

 

[rossdapep]

The main difference is Klopp was always university backed by supporters and board, and this was because there was always a clear direction the team was going in, and every season they showed improvement. We would also take his results. He joined midseason and took the club to 8th and two cup finals. He then followed it up with a 4th place finish then 4th and a CL final, 2nd and CL winners then 1st last season.

Early Klopp's problem was always winning against big teams and doing worse against worse teams, and had to adapt his style to counteract that. But the team never really experienced a serious collapse. Now Mourinho might be able to turn this around but questions have to be asked in what direction is the club heading and can Mourinho develop something? Mourinho has never been at a club for more than 3 seasons. There is a reason for that.

They never collapsed but they did take a few beatings in that time

City beat them 5-0 and us 4-1. So they did have a few poor results in which you may expect a bad reaction from fans. I guess the difference is they responded well at times and kept creating chances.

I said that Jose needed time as we were still responding to bad results and there was at least a structure there. After West Ham pulled it back to 3-3, we tightened up and stopped conceding, thats a sign that the players are responding.

But gradually since the Liverpool game the players have made more and more mistakes and the limited chances we were getting are drying up. Also the team has been getting switched up way too much.