Jose Mourinho

[Gb160]

Don't make stuff up...





... you're not married

In every way but law.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Think you overlook how much help the 3 in midfield get from their fullbacks

Henderson - Fabinhon - Wijnaldum worked so well cause they have very solid fullbacks who are good both defensive and offensive

Our fullbacks just dont offer as much in attack or defence as the the Scousers

I thinks it’s more that the Liverpool midfield is the work horse that enables the full backs to act like wingers supporting the front 3. Liverpool’s midfield doesn’t have to be creative as the front 3 and full backs provide the creativity and the midfield just have to mostly do the donkey work in behind which they do very well.

 

[muppetman]

Think you overlook how much help the 3 in midfield get from their fullbacks

Henderson - Fabinhon - Wijnaldum worked so well cause they have very solid fullbacks who are good both defensive and offensive

Our fullbacks just dont offer as much in attack or defence as the the Scousers

I haven't seen a huge amount of Liverpool but I'm not sure their fullbacks are great defensively. From what I've seen they are both good offensively but TAA in particular isn't a very good defensive fullback.

I think that's why they concede but it doesn't matter cause they score even more - they've not kept a clean sheet since the end of September.

 

[mil1lion]

Winks and Sissoko, without being hampered by defensive duties that they are unsuited to, would be perfectly good mezzala's in a Jose style 4-3-3.

I think Jose is using the best system for the squad but Sissoko can't play in the central 2. He's not actually a centre midfielder as such but more of a right central midfielder which is why it doesn't work in a 2 as he doesn't play tucked infield enough. I think he's best used in the inside right position with the way the fullback overlaps on that side. So I agree he would suit better a central 3 than the 2 but I prefer we stick to the current system with him on the right. Would you go 4-3-3 in order to get the best out of Sissoko and lose the best of Alli?

I think we stick to Siss on the inside right and only play him when we need a more defensive option to cover the fullback. I'd opt for Lo Celso more often than not there though and probably Lamela too.

 

[guiltyparty]

And a CM of Lo Celso - Good DM - Ndombele would eat them alive.

Would compete maybe, if Los Celso and Ndombele settle. Absolutely no guarantee they will. People love playing this game. Until they’ve done it in this league, you just never know. Classic Spurs fans, plotting a team that wins everything on paper, nothing in real life.

 

[JAYSTAR]

Liverpools midfield is really nothing amazing. Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum.

I'd take Fabinho in an instant, the other 2 are solid pros, hard workers but by no means world class.

However their midfield performs its exact function in either getting the ball to the dangerous front 3 or providing cover for the attacking fullbacks.

I think a midfield 3 of:

Winks - good dm - Sissoko

Is not much worse than

Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum

And thats before you add in our other midfielders who have more quality on the ball.

Right now I would play Sissoko as the CDM and Ndombele and Lo Celso in front of him. Winks is really limited in terms of attack and getting his head up. He can only really short pass and move.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Would compete maybe, if Los Celso and Ndombele settle. Absolutely no guarantee they will. People love playing this game. Until they’ve done it in this league, you just never know. Classic Spurs fans, plotting a team that wins everything on paper, nothing in real life.

Fucking hell mate OK ok we can but dream it's Christmas after all

 

[Japhet]

Would compete maybe, if Los Celso and Ndombele settle. Absolutely no guarantee they will. People love playing this game. Until they’ve done it in this league, you just never know. Classic Spurs fans, plotting a team that wins everything on paper, nothing in real life.

Of course there's no guarantee. There is however a fairly strong consensus that what we're getting at the moment doesn't work and we need to change some stuff around.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think Jose is using the best system for the squad but Sissoko can't play in the central 2. He's not actually a centre midfielder as such but more of a right central midfielder which is why it doesn't work in a 2 as he doesn't play tucked infield enough. I think he's best used in the inside right position with the way the fullback overlaps on that side. So I agree he would suit better a central 3 than the 2 but I prefer we stick to the current system with him on the right. Would you go 4-3-3 in order to get the best out of Sissoko and lose the best of Alli?

I think we stick to Siss on the inside right and only play him when we need a more defensive option to cover the fullback. I'd opt for Lo Celso more often than not there though and probably Lamela too.

On the contrary, I'd go 433 to get the best out of Dele. Head to his thread to see my suggestions.

 

[mil1lion]

On the contrary, I'd go 433 to get the best out of Dele. Head to his thread to see my suggestions.

We're already getting the best out of him now though

 

[gavspur]

Winks and Sissoko as the two CM’s has to be put to bed now, Sissoko spends too much time trying to cover his mate at right back, leaving Winks alone in midfield. Utd definitely targeted our right side too, surprised Mourinho didn’t switch to a midfield 3 to try and swing the battle back in our favour. The problem now with that, is Dele. Unless he plays him up on the right, and let’s him drift in from there to central spaces (which is what I would now try).. Then we could have a midfield three of LoCelso Skipp (give him a go, why not eh?) Ndombele.. gives us winks, Dier, and Sissoko from the bench. Last night was just the same team Poch had been picking, no surprise we made Utd look like champions.

 

[guiltyparty]

Of course there's no guarantee. There is however a fairly strong consensus that what we're getting at the moment doesn't work and we need to change some stuff around.

Agree 100%, just find the flippancy around Liverpool’s midfield kind of baffling. They have a phenomenal setup of all energy players who are strong but can also pick a pass without being showy. Their seeming lack of star quality is an attribute as they’re the engine room, and they all roll their sleeves up while also all being progressive players.

But they play differently to us so it’s not transferable. We don’t yet have the full backs to do what they do. Luckily there is more than one way to skin a cat

 

[slartibartfast]

Worries me that JM always prefers experienced players but at the moment our experienced players defensively are the ones who dont want to be there. Add Eriksen to that and these are the people he keeps picking.
Wheres Foyth, Ndombele and GLC when we need them.
Id start all 3 at the weekend.
Hope he told Sanchez that if he ever does a blind back heel towards the edge of our goal area again then he's done. That was so fkin school boy it begged belief.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

 

[guiltyparty]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

Agree, winner, like and laugh my arse off

 

[Deleted member 29446]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

And we have a Winner!

 

[HW61]

Wow... catching up with post match comments.

The bloke’s only just turned up and after one loss he’s slammed by some. If JM didn’t have major work to do Poch would still be here. The attitude or ineptitude of a raft of the players are a big reason why we’re in the shit now.

He’s not the messiah. He’s merely our best chance of effectively turning this mess around because I sure as hell don’t trust a number of these players to play for the badge under any other manager anyway.

Give the guy a chance.

 

[Dazzazzad]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

Christ, what does Skipp have to do to get a chance!

 

[Japhet]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

We've had more than enough opportunities to see the players that aren't the answer, or does that not count for anything?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

JM was overheard by a friend of mine saying he learned a lot more from yesterday than he had in the previous three games put together. Regarding the players that is.

What he means by that I'm not sure. I guess we'll see in his team selection for Burnley.

That is good to hear.
He's done the right thing so far by playing the more experienced better players to create a solid foundation and pick up a few wins but he now needs to build his team for the next 2-3 years or however long he stays to win something and I think its obvious to anyone never mind one of the best ever football managers that:
A) We need Lloris back or a new top glass GK
B) We need a new RB and probably CB, Aurier's concentration and decisionmaking is poor and we need to upgrade, Jan may be going and we will be light at CB + Jose probably still has a slight doubt over weather Sanchez is ready yet.
C) Sissoko and Winks are not good enough individually and CERTAINLY NOT as a paring in a 4-2-3-1, we need to get Ndombele fit and starting and/or if he's up to it and can get his form of a few years ago back then Dier fit and starting and either play Lo celso as an 8 next to a deeper DM or buy an actual top quality CM
D) We need to upgrade Lucas to someone who is a similar level or better than Son
E) We need a proper back-up striker to Kane who we can bring on to change to 4-4-2 when needed and so we can give Kane a rest occasionally even if just for 10-15 mins at the end of some games where we are coasting.

Its not a huge 're-build' but we do need 4-5 top players in order to have a team which Jose can mould to win something, if we stick with exactly what we have today and we aint winning anything anytime soon.