Jose Mourinho

[wrd]

I think we all want the same thing, just disagree on how we should be get there. Having a grumble about your manager or the tactics doesn't make you less of a fan. Unless you live in North Korea. Then you should stop it, immediately.

Agree it doesn't make you less of a fan but shouldn't we hold off on judgement until we're in a better position. I just don't think now is the time to be judging the manager. I think fans are perfectly within their right next season to say they don't enjoy Jose being the manager if we play football they don't enjoy watching, that's their prerogative.

However we need to look at the big picture, this season is without a shadow of a doubt a transitional season, in every sense; first year in a new stadium, 5/6 new players to bed in and now a new manager. So this season should be all about how can we set ourselves up the best way to prepare for the future and surely the absolute best way we can prepare is by obtaining Champions League football. It gives us more financial resource from prize money, it makes us a more exciting prospect for sponsors especially the naming rights and it makes us a vastly more appealing club to play for to prospective targets. So surely results take precedent for this short period to make that happen to help out the bigger picture?

 

[Gilzeanking]

I'm sorry, but it wasn't one mistake that cost us. It was only a combination of poor finishing and heroic goalkeeping that meant that tie wasn't done and dusted after 60 minutes.

We were extremely lucky to come away from that game having only conceded one goal.

Yes ,true . We play deep so you'd expect there to be little space in our 1st third...but no , Leipzig have space to create several gilt -edged chances, this happens regularly to what should be our solid defence .
I also hear from Jose again about Lucas and Steve being knackered , elsewhere he said they were 'running on fumes' . I see loads of regularly playing lively forwards against us ,don't see why are these 2 should be 'dead' as Jose says ?

Hoddle's post match verdict on Spurs was damning making the point that the shape of the match was not only affected by the 2 Spurs absentees .Reactive rather than proactive .
He reckoned there was little organisation , a team 'just hoping they'll win' .

Worrying times and Jose does not build my confidence in his interviews/pressers atm. Fingers crossed for Chelsea .

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Great press conference from Jose. Not sure who the first journalist was but he just went from bad to worse ?

 

[double0]

It would be great if everyone could get behind the manager players club and we are all pulling in the same direction.

Mourinho is all about the result, that's fine when you're winning however questions will be asked if we watch a certain type of football and lose...we start hearing from the usual suspects myself including defending and attacking elements of the team players etc.

I would love Mourinho to adjust the tactics so that we attract laterally from the flanks in space with Moura Bergwijn with Dele and Lo Celso or Ndombele breaking to support. At the moment that long ball for Moura to fight for isn't the way imo.

With no recognised first team striker and a reluctance to use an inexperienced one Mourinho should be a bit more flexible the Chelsea game is now massive for a number of reasons... our approach the result can we score.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I vastly value performance and entertainment over trophies and the dream is that you obtain both however isn't it unfair to expect Jose to be producing entertaining football this early in let-alone with the circumstances we've now had put on us losing our best two players. I could maybe understand people being irritated if he had inherited an entertaining team and had removed that element but he hasn't done that, we weren't playing good football.

If we're playing poor football this time next year then I'll be as disappointed as anybody but I can't understand why people can't see that the time to be critical of that aspect isn't now.

This is where it's at, the right balance, long and short term. Time for everyone to go home now, beer o'clock for some, this post is the one for today.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Over to the little fella..

Sorry, my penis is closed for the weekend

 

[Shadydan]

I'm starting to see those people weren't in peoples heads. I guess where we had a few decent results I hadn't seen those people coming out the woodwork but here we are.

Mate look at the 3rd option in the poll, they've been around since Jose walked through the door.

 

[chelmyid]

Maybe we just want to be entertained watching our team play. It's what Tottenham is all about.

And who’s to say that won’t happen given time?
Porto, inter, Chelsea first stint were a fantastic watch

just want people to stop this - I don’t like what I see now so Bollox to him - change it - get a grip and be patient
If in 18 months we’ve won nothing and still playing shit - the first person who will be up in arms will be...... mourinho himself

 

[wrd]

Mate look at the 3rd option in the poll, they've been around since Jose walked through the door.

I may have completely ignored the poll entirely

 

[VegasII]

Amusing. He was on fine form in the press conference.

 

[Metalhead]

Yes ,true . We play deep so you'd expect there to be little space in our 1st third...but no , Leipzig have space to create several gilt -edged chances, this happens regularly to what should be our solid defence .
I also hear from Jose again about Lucas and Steve being knackered , elsewhere he said they were 'running on fumes' . I see loads of regularly playing lively forwards against us ,don't see why are these 2 should be 'dead' as Jose says ?

Hoddle's post match verdict on Spurs was damning making the point that the shape of the match was not only affected by the 2 Spurs absentees .Reactive rather than proactive .
He reckoned there was little organisation , a team 'just hoping they'll win' .

Worrying times and Jose does not build my confidence in his interviews/pressers atm. Fingers crossed for Chelsea .

It's going to be a longer road than just the Chelsea game.

 

[Dr Benson]

Maybe an off topic question, but the journalist Gary I hear asking questions every press conference, which paper or TV channel does he represent?

 

[wrd]

Maybe an off topic question, but the journalist Gary I hear asking questions every press conference, which paper or TV channel does he represent?

Sky I believe, Gary Cotterill

 

[VegasII]

 

[spids]

I have been very critical about the tactics and display on Weds but Mourinho cannot really be judged until Xmas, after a full pre-season and a summer transfer window. Give him a commanding CB, a proper DCM and a monster target man, and I reckon his tactics will bring massive results.

 

[Mate]

Interested to see what kind of reception the Chelsea fans give him tomorrow.

If they started singing derogatory songs about him then that will sink them to a new low, if that's even possible

 

[SpursSince1980]

Yes ,true . We play deep so you'd expect there to be little space in our 1st third...but no , Leipzig have space to create several gilt -edged chances, this happens regularly to what should be our solid defence .
I also hear from Jose again about Lucas and Steve being knackered , elsewhere he said they were 'running on fumes' . I see loads of regularly playing lively forwards against us ,don't see why are these 2 should be 'dead' as Jose says ?

Hoddle's post match verdict on Spurs was damning making the point that the shape of the match was not only affected by the 2 Spurs absentees .Reactive rather than proactive .
He reckoned there was little organisation , a team 'just hoping they'll win' .

Worrying times and Jose does not build my confidence in his interviews/pressers atm. Fingers crossed for Chelsea .

Also, a bit of a simplification from Hoddle. As with a lot of these damning prognostications about that match, they tend to gloss over a few player issues in the first half. Mainly, that we were also contending with a ton of mistakes and lolly gagging from Winks, Aurier, Dele... And to a lesser extent Fernandes and Davies. Jose can't be personally responsible for when players start to make basic errors and start with almost no intensity. There's a reason why Dele pitched a hissy when he was subbed off, cos he knew just how piss poor he was (again).

We also need to acknowledge that we simply don't have the players to dominate a game like this. If Jose had a Dembele (moussa), Wanyama, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen, Harry, Eriksen, Sonny and Lamela all in their pomp then he would apply different tactics. You take all of the aforementioned at their best three years ago, and they would replace all of those that started in their respective positions againt RB. The gulf in quality between those players, is immense. This is not the same Spurs team. We are nowhere near the level of that team from three years ago.

So, we deal with the hand we are dealt and must be realistic about where we are right now. I don't fault the manager for the tactics or the result on Wednesday. Cos in my mind, we are not as good as RB. A fine team, in very fine form. We are a rebuilding, transitioning team that has been slogging our way through games for the better part of 18 months. This is our reality and I've certainly adjusted my expectations accordingly.

 

[LeParisien]

Had the exact same arguments just before Poch left the club, when we were discussing potential replacements and Mourinho‘s name was thrown in the hat.

I see some of the anti-Jose cockroaches have crawled to the surface. And I’m not talking about the members who are just a bit concerned about the football we are playing at the moment and whether it will be permanent or not, I’m talking about those of you who actively want Jose to fail.

Let’s set the record straight once again. Come hell or high water, Jose’s goal is always and will always be to get a good result. If you don’t know Jose and you don’t understand his ethos and mentality, you’d think the RB game was a bad result. It’s not. Not in Mourinho’s world. Arguably we could’ve won the game had we been clinical and taken our chances but it is what it is. We will be going for a 2-1 victory in the return leg and I can almost guarantee there will be no complaints regardless of the “style” of football we play if we manage to get the result.

Winning is all that matters to the man, and that’s why he has won 28 titles in his career. I couldn’t give a shit if we touch the ball twice in a game and win, that’s all that matters to me. I want titles, I want the glory of winning things, that’s all that was missing under Poch.

Keep that in mind and please slag Mourinho off when we do inevitably win those titles, because I can guarantee there will be more nights like this, and as long as the end game is still intact, I’ll always be happy with JM’s tactics and the football we play under him.

I don’t think this post was aimed at someone like me but I really did not like this post.

cockroaches ? Really ?
I can’t rule out that some people actively want Mourinho to fail but that doesn’t seem plausible. It seems more likely that people don’t like the guy either because he has acted deplorably in the past or because he plays crap football. If winning is his redeeming feature then you can’t be surprised that he comes in for criticism when he fails to win.

Which brings me into the last bit I’ve bolded... you make it sound like losing was part of some master plan. Mourinho wanted this so that he could have the pleasure of going through on away goals...

I want Mou to succeed but your post was not a fair minded appraisal. You need to understand the opposing view better. It did not become you

 

[Shadydan]

I don’t think this post was aimed at someone like me but I really did not like this post.

cockroaches ? Really ?
I can’t rule out that some people actively want Mourinho to fail but that doesn’t seem plausible. It seems more likely that people don’t like the guy either because he has acted deplorably in the past or because he plays crap football. If winning is his redeeming feature then you can’t be surprised that he comes in for criticism when he fails to win.

Which brings me into the last bit I’ve bolded... you make it sound like losing was part of some master plan. Mourinho wanted this so that he could have the pleasure of going through on away goals...

I want Mou to succeed but your post was not a fair minded appraisal. You need to understand the opposing view better. It did not become you

I think it's completely fair, people want him to fail therefore you want the team to fail...all because it justifies their opinion in the first place so they can be proved right. No idea why you took offence to that as it was clearly not aimed at you, you don't like him but you're willing to get behind the team which is fair, there are certain dickheads in this fanbase on here that want him to fail so he gets sacked, utter cockroaches.

 

[Metalhead]

I don’t think this post was aimed at someone like me but I really did not like this post.

cockroaches ? Really ?
I can’t rule out that some people actively want Mourinho to fail but that doesn’t seem plausible. It seems more likely that people don’t like the guy either because he has acted deplorably in the past or because he plays crap football. If winning is his redeeming feature then you can’t be surprised that he comes in for criticism when he fails to win.

Which brings me into the last bit I’ve bolded... you make it sound like losing was part of some master plan. Mourinho wanted this so that he could have the pleasure of going through on away goals...

I want Mou to succeed but your post was not a fair minded appraisal. You need to understand the opposing view better. It did not become you

I don't like people getting slagged off on here. From the point of Jose being judged though, clearly he is being judged differently to how a manager who is more favoured in the eyes of the individual is. He is a manager who has come in when the season is already underway, he has only just signed players that we assume he approved of and has had a continuous run of fixtures to deal with, which has minimised the amount of time that he has had on the training pitch to instill his ideas. He now has injuries to deal with.

Were we talking about a manager who is more acceptable to the fan(s) in question then the new manager would be afforded more time. The same courtesy should be extended to Jose. I am saying this as someone who didn't find Jose his cup of tea before but he's our manager now and deserves time.

Ultimately though, for all our support for Jose or not, it's only Levy that could pull the trigger anyway so it's academic to an extent.