Jose Mourinho

[Jamturk]

If it was a personnel problem in the 1st half as JM claimed why did he revert to 4 at the back and put an extra man in midfield?

The man is full of shit.

 

[Shadydan]

You are not getting it. I don't know how should he solve it. He's being paid 15m for that. He should solve it.
Publicly criticizing him only make things worse. Even if you feel he should get called out. That won't solve it. It never worked on anyone.

I am getting it, I just don't agree with your argument that's all.

What do you mean it hasn't worked in the past, Mourinho called out Hazard in 2013 and he went onto with POTY the following season so not sure what you're on about.

Jose has had numerous chances to call him out this season but hasn't, last week he gave him the benefit of the doubt against Wolves and laughed off the incident, he' sgiven him chances but the message is seemingly not getting through.

We're not running a nursery here ffs, if he can't take the managers criticism after the displays and the effort he's been putting in all season then he shouldn't fucking be here, this is what happens at bid clubs who play in top leagues - you need to stand up and be counted, if you don't have the right mentality or not showing at least some signs of improvement then action needs to be taken.

 

[muppetman]

I don't understand why sticking our club record signing in the reserves is actually gonna help us, in fact at this point I think Ndombele would prefer that as he seemingly doesn't want to be out on the pitch playing for the first team, it's the easy way out.

I think we are all making assumptions based on not a lot of information. I have no idea why someone who is clearly an excellent footballer now looks like he just can't be bothered.

I just wonder if this is the best way to go about things, I am struggling to see Pep, Klopp etc doing this - which combined with Jose's previous with Shaw and Pogba make me doubt it will be effective but I guess time will tell.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I don’t think our first-half set-up really helped either Skipp or Ndombele. Everything was bypassing them, but we struggled to retain possession and that is on Ndombele.

I do, however, find it very amusing that some are gleefully hitting out at every anti-Mourinho sentiment with the “give him time” rhetoric that doesn’t seem to apply to Ndombele. Surely it goes both ways.

Personally I think Mourinho has been poor since getting the role. Tactics have been all over the place, there’s no organisation, no system in place. We sit back when we shouldn’t and not a single one of them looks like they’ve been well coached in ages.

Give him the summer, give him some new players, get rid of those not working and we’ll really see what he’s made of. But for now, there’s no sign of improvement, and long-term that’s a worry.

And yes sacking him would be extremely knee-jerk and counterintuitive. But fuck me, lads...

 

[muppetman]

Grasping at straws somewhat here but could it be that Levy and Jose have written the season off and the reason we see a different formation and a different group of players pretty much every game, is to give Jose a look at various options prior to the end of the season to help us figure out who to buy in the summer?

 

[spursfan77]

Probably because every single one of us was desperate for him signing and we were all holding hands crying for joy when we got it over the line. Though not sure how people can really be upset with Jose. Jose is struggling to string a team together and this guy who has ridiculous ability is letting us down when we need him most.

I think your last sentence is what’s really stuck in my throat. He’s letting us and his team mates down. Dele talked about a heated half time talk and I bet it was to do with him.

 

[Shadydan]

I think we are all making assumptions based on not a lot of information. I have no idea why someone who is clearly an excellent footballer now looks like he just can't be bothered.

I just wonder if this is the best way to go about things, I am struggling to see Pep, Klopp etc doing this - which combined with Jose's previous with Shaw and Pogba make me doubt it will be effective but I guess time will tell.

I think he had personal problems with Pogba and Shaw and didn't agree at the time when he called them out and don't agree now, but I think this is a different scenario altogether. Ndombele isn't even bothering to run ffs - he's become absolutely useless and an empty shirt, it's actually pointless playing him at the moment.

Feels like this is very much last chance saloon for him tbh.

 

[bat-chain]

Sacking him would be knee jerk but it doesn’t mean it would be the wrong thing to do. Most people are against him going on the basis of what it would cost. But let’s imagine a scenario where Levy has a break clause if we get no European football. Imagine then that Kane and other players has told Levy he doesn’t enjoy the style of play and so will be looking to leave.

Do you pull the trigger in the summer or not?

 

[buckley]

Players that can't take a slagging of in private or public are not worth the bother the players with real character after a slagging off be it in private or public would have the mindset " F you I will prove you wrong "
Cry babies are not needed at this time we need the real players to stand up in this time of need no snowflakes required especially the ones on (supposedly £200 grand a week ) Get yourself up for it or F. off .

 

[mrlilywhite]

So we're not meant to play our club record signing in a Premier League match in March, Good Lord.

How long are you willing to wait until he changes? You saw the effort he put in against Wolves, that's not down to ability, that's down to mentality and hard work - if you're not putting in a shift at the very least you deserved to get called out, we're talking about a basic requirement of running and tracking, sorry but it's poor.

What's the big thing about quoting that every time? Just because we paid through the nose for him, doesn't deter from the fact that he is just another player? I could name many a player that has equally underdelivered. If we had signed Ronaldo, then we 'd be right to expect something from a player who has performed at the top for as long as I can remember. I think most here know that he came with a reputation of being a bit too content with regards to weight, fitness, etc, so we all knew it could potentially blow up a bit. For what it's worth there wasn't one player in that first half anyway who deserved to still be on the pitch and whilst we're talking about players underachieving, let's have a look at Dele Alli shall we? He's been underperforming in most games for a good while and he gets to start and compete in most of them for at least 70 mins until JM can justify him no more.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

What's the big thing about quoting that every time? Just because we paid through the nose for him, doesn't deter from the fact that he is just another player?

Call me a radical thinker, but if you get a player in that price bracket, you should get somebody who can hit the ground running.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Your argument is as ridiculous as it can get.
We all wanted Ndombele. Blaming Pochettino, who's not here anymore, for what he's doing right now is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in this forum.
No one is judging Mourinho for not motivating him, but for criticizing him in public.

I already said, Poch's foresight can then be called into question not knowing how unfit or disinterested Ndombele can be, then shouldn't he be held responsible in some way or totally of the state we are now of not able to rely on our club record signing?

Yes, it's obvious I'm beating Poch ridiculously because I am, by rewriting history and fitting narratives to suit my point. You are welcome. That's exactly what a post sounds like when everything was being blamed on Mourinho without any perspective of putting the club support in first order. If my one post is ridiculous enough, imagine the number we are putting up with.

 

[wrd]

I think your last sentence is what’s really stuck in my throat. He’s letting us and his team mates down. Dele talked about a heated half time talk and I bet it was to do with him.

I said earlier this week about our fans that you learn a lot about people when the chips are down and it applies with players also. You look at Lo Celso who is doing everything he absolutely can to push the team on. You look at the likes of Winks who gives everything he has, Dier has been giving everything he has, Lamela even with all his injuries when he is on the pitch is giving everything. I know people aren't happy with his performances but nobody can tell me that Dele isn't physically and mentally exhausted because he's doing everything he absolutely can for this team at the detriment of his performances unfortunately. Moura/Bergwijn the same you're seeing real character, Jan who a few weeks ago looked finished, look how determined he has played this past week for the team despite looking like his best days are behind him and Aurier who is much criticised and might not be everybody's cup of tea but he is trying to do what he can for the team.

Yet people are staunchly defending Ndombele because of how good he has shown us to be despite the fact when the chips are down he's not stepping up and being the breathe of fresh air, being the player who lifts the tired legs and minds around him when he absolutely has that ability. It's the other players threads that people are more angry in, not to say there hasn't been people mad towards Ndombele. Those players I mentioned are giving absolutely everything and they're all we have, my opinion is that if you want to have a discussion about whether they're good enough for us, save it for the summer when the transfer window is open because right now they're all we have and they're giving everything to the cause whether it be to our standards or not and if you want to complain about people then complain about those who aren't stepping up and taking responsibility.

Yes there's a caveat to say, it's the first season in a new country, new league but usually that applies to your ability and getting up to speed on that front, yes you might struggle fitness wise but typically you struggle because you're giving everything you can and it's not quite enough not struggling because your attitude isn't up to it.

 

[Shadydan]

What's the big thing about quoting that every time? Just because we paid through the nose for him, doesn't deter from the fact that he is just another player? I could name many a player that has equally underdelivered. If we had signed Ronaldo, then we 'd be right to expect something from a player who has performed at the top for as long as I can remember. I think most here know that he came with a reputation of being a bit too content with regards to weight, fitness, etc, so we all knew it could potentially blow up a bit. For what it's worth there wasn't one player in that first half anyway who deserved to still be on the pitch and whilst we're talking about players underachieving, let's have a look at Dele Alli shall we? He's been underperforming in most games for a good while and he gets to start and compete in most of them for at least 70 mins until JM can justify him no more.

I'm emphasizing the point to those who wish to be his apologists, at the end of the day he cost a lot of money, it's not his fault but with that price expectations are massive and if you can't be arsed to at least fucking run then you take everything into perspective like his price tag and realise he's not doing enough, no where near.

I'm not hearing any other argument for any of our other players in terms of under performing because all of our other players are putting in the basic requirement of playing football and that's hard work.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

If it was a personnel problem in the 1st half as JM claimed why did he revert to 4 at the back and put an extra man in midfield?

The man is full of shit.

 

[wrd]

Grasping at straws somewhat here but could it be that Levy and Jose have written the season off and the reason we see a different formation and a different group of players pretty much every game, is to give Jose a look at various options prior to the end of the season to help us figure out who to buy in the summer?

I'd say absolutely grasping, Jose seemingly likes to play in a very specific way and adapts when he absolutely has to in order to combat opposition, maybe not ideal giving our current squad to shoehorn that on them as defensively we don't have the players to be that resolute and he's adapting in order try and find the best way to shoehorn that on but I'd certainly say they're not looking at the options with an eye on next season.

 

[Thewobbler]

"I was expecting players not tired to give more to the team"

 

[Nebby]

If Jose thinks a public digging out is what’s needed, I’m all for it. Ndombele has shown zero improvement since he got here. He needs to start helping his teammates.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Might not be seeing anything different but are willing to offer the thought process of reason........

Which is?

 

[lami]

I believe Jose calls players out publicly to test their resolve, to see if they have the right mentality to be the type of player that he needs.
Luke Shaw has never reached his potential, jose tried to force it out of him but it didnt work.
I always believed it to be strange that we got Ndombele when he was meant to be the next big thing, I think we're now seeing the reason why other clubs didnt take the chance.
Hopefully the public outing will give Ndombele a rocket up his arse and he starts to play like he is capable of playing.
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