Jose Mourinho

[kannanmothalali]

If you don’t know what your next pass is, neither do the opposition...

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Are you the ghost of Johan Cruyff

 

[spursfan77]

I know it's only 1 game but that was a very poor lethargic performance, we look like a mid-table team at best

It is becoming quite obvious that the club and team aren’t going to be sorted out this season. I think it is a big ask for him to be expected to win something with this group.

We still need some more additions and I think if we get some proper ones in by the end of the window we will get top four. Our results post lockdown were good. I’ve no idea what happened yesterday as I didn’t watch the game but a few people have said the team look like they played with lead in their boots. That wouldn’t be the first time that accusation has been thrown about in the last few years. I don’t know how a manager gets players to shake that off if they havent been able to do it themselves over that period of time. Replacing them or brining in proper competition for places is the only way I think.

 

[1882andallthat]

JM will you stop with this obsession of finding all sorts of ways of getting Winks and Sissoko onto the pitch in the midfield at the same time. This should only be the choice when there are no other options left and it's an emergency.

0-0 at HT and starting the second half was certainly not an emergency where such a pairing was necessary, it was completely unnecessary and avoidable, other options were available if you felt the need to change things at HT !

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Yet again it appears our players are getting away without much criticism. We saw these exact performances under Poch and we are still seeing them under Mourinho. Therefore, if Mourinho is as bad as everyone thinks in here then I can only assume that Poch is equally terrible and a past it coach? It can't be both Poch is great, Mou is sh*t when the players are playing the same way.

The entire blame has to go on to the players. They didn't even want to run yesterday, Dele Alli continues to think he is a world superstar and yet his first touch is always so horrendous. He needs to go back to basics. Generally as a club our recruitment has been poor, we lost Dembele and never replaced him and then we lost Eriksen and have not replaced him.

We have also been incredibly unlucky with continuous injuries to players in key positions and the fact that TN hasn't settled.

I'm not going to sit here and say that Mou is the best manager ever etc etc however people branding him rubbish and all that are purely saying it based on the brand of football. Since Mou took over he has amassed the 5th most points in the league, only 2 behind 4th place and when you think of how many games we were without Kane, Son, Lloris & GLC that is relatively impressive. We were incredibly poor yesterday there is no denying that but people calling for him to go need to realise that a) it isn't going to happen anytime soon and b) you are saying this after 1 game this season, 1 game.

I have never wanted our fan base to become so entitled that we have a manager who has the 5th best record in the league while missing key players is deemed rubbish and we deserve so so much better, and these same people still pine for Pochettino who was absolutely horrendous in his last 18 months but because they like him he is deemed as not a failure. Just doesn't add up.

We never replaced Dembele or Eriksen? Are you sure?

What are NDombele and GLC then?

 

[rossdapep]

If the season was to be a disaster and we sacked him then I honestly don't know where we go from there. Once again we'll have a squad full of players the next coach may not want.

Still, I think Jose needs to have another striker added and Lo Celso and Ndombele playing regularly before we can truly judge him.

Another concern is the way Levy is around Jose, how bad would it have to get before he conjures up the balls to fire him. He seems to be in awe of him.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't mind people having the view we're dull, it certainly wasn't total football again out there yesterday - but doesn't it have more to do with the fact that yet again the attacking 4 (+ Doherty) had chances in the opening 45 to put the game away?

We take those chances and a bit like the Burnley and Leicester games, the game opens up as teams press more and we then get more and more space ...

I think it's totally fine to be concerned about yesterdays outing but some of the 'critical point already' thinking is a bit over the top. Even I am guilty of it, but we've got a months worth of matches coming up in less two weeks.

Yes ì agree mate, completely. Had we taken the chances in the first half we're having a different conversation but that second half was worrying.

We have to be stronger mentally than that and the changes made by Mourinho where incredibly negative.

My problem is that negative mindset rubbing off on the players.

I do think it could prove to be critical in the sense that if we continue to play like that most weeks and results are mixed, pressure builds massively.

I was hoping Mourinho would have them fired up for that second half after a mixed sort of first half, but he shrank with those subs and obviously the team did.

Not what you want want to see from a manager of his pedigree playing a team below you in the table, at home, even if they are improved.

Hopefully we'll get a serious reaction next week but they're all responsible for that yesterday and the reaction to going one nil down was pretty chilling actually.

And to clarify, when I said critical point I didn't mean this week, I meant in the next few months.

 

[rossdapep]

JM will you stop with this obsession of finding all sorts of ways of getting Winks and Sissoko onto the pitch in the midfield at the same time. This should only be the choice when there are no other options left and it's an emergency.

0-0 at HT and starting the second half was certainly not an emergency where such a pairing was necessary, it was completely unnecessary and avoidable, other options were available if you felt the need to change things at HT !

I honestly have no idea what he saw that he felt the need to do that.

Sure, Dele wasn't sparkling but the set up was causing Everton problems and we did at least look reasonably comfortable.

It's like he was Pep for a moment and completely over thought it.

I think he should have just laid into Dele and told him to get it together and given him 15 mins or so. If not send on Bergwijn.

 

[E17yid]

We all knew it was going to end like this it’s just that the more optimistic of us thought it would take about 3 seasons to get to this point. I can’t see him getting the chop this season as we won’t be in a relegation scrap (famous last words) and Levy will want to see how we progress in the cups but I’ll be surprised if he’s our manager next season.

 

[Monkey boy]

for some reason I was quietly optimistic about our prospects for this season. It’s like I forgot how dire the end of last season was and was blinded by the two supposedly quality signings that we made. All that hope and optimism has gone after that second half performance. I just don’t know where we go from here. Everton went out and upgraded their entire midfield for circa £60m and made sure they did it in time for match day one. By the looks of the transfer forum we’re still negotiating on 4 strikers, each less exciting than the last whilst trying to get Bale to speak to us.

it’s so depressing to go from where we were to where we are now. The players look more likely to fight Amongst themselves rather than get stuck in to the opposition. They just look bored. That is in no way absolving them of blame because they have to take responsibility for the shit that they’ve been serving up for nearly 2 years straight.

we are average.

 

[Danny1]

We never replaced Dembele or Eriksen? Are you sure?

What are NDombele and GLC then?

Ok maybe worded slightly wrong then, we haven't replaced them with players who have proved it yet. Hopefully over time they both will.

 

[E17yid]

Poch was unlucky that GLC and Ndombele were injured when we first signed him, he never had the opportunity to play both, now we’re clutching straws saying this is what Jose needs.

 

[OPModric]

Some people said it would be backward if we sign willian lol ... We need to sell dele alli ... If he plays in midfield, we will play like this ... As simple as this

Yes, it's as simple.

Everton had three central midfielders and James coming inside.

Allis average position was above Kane, as usual running for tap-ins and longballs from centrebacks.

We must fix our midfield and have a creative player behind Kane.

 

[rossdapep]

for some reason I was quietly optimistic about our prospects for this season. It’s like I forgot how dire the end of last season was and was blinded by the two supposedly quality signings that we made. All that hope and optimism has gone after that second half performance. I just don’t know where we go from here. Everton went out and upgraded their entire midfield for circa £60m and made sure they did it in time for match day one. By the looks of the transfer forum we’re still negotiating on 4 strikers, each less exciting than the last whilst trying to get Bale to speak to us.

it’s so depressing to go from where we were to where we are now. The players look more likely to fight Amongst themselves rather than get stuck in to the opposition. They just look bored. That is in no way absolving them of blame because they have to take responsibility for the shit that they’ve been serving up for nearly 2 years straight.

we are average.

It must be really hard for the likes of Lloris, Toby and Kane to get fired up

 

[Kiedis]

I have never wanted our fan base to become so entitled that we have a manager who has the 5th best record in the league while missing key players is deemed rubbish and we deserve so so much better, and these same people still pine for Pochettino who was absolutely horrendous in his last 18 months but because they like him he is deemed as not a failure. Just doesn't add up.

I'll certainly offer him some sympathy due to taking over in the middle of a season and having to navigate through injuries. The reason I feel like every week with him as a manager is a week wasted, is because I do think what we saw during the restart period is what he's capable of coaching these days.

We have such a hard time progressing the ball and getting it to our attackers in good situations. We took 10 or less shots in 5 out of 9 games in the restart period. We routinely had less of the ball in the final third than the opposition and seemingly no coherent way of attacking a set defence. Kane and Son being elite finishers will always mask some of this, but it just isn't sustainable. It does not feel like we're working towards something that can yield 80ish points in a league season.

 

[GarlicBread]

We never replaced Dembele or Eriksen? Are you sure?

What are NDombele and GLC then?

Quite frankly, not as good as those players. Ndombele has done nothing in this team yet, and Lo Celso has maybe 5% of Eriksen’s output. Dembele and Eriksen were integral to the team.

 

[E17yid]

It must be really hard for the likes of Lloris, Toby and Kane to get fired up

We don’t need players getting fired up (though it wouldn’t hurt) we need them to start using their fucking brains and playing football like a fucking team not like a bunch of *****

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yes ì agree mate, completely. Had we taken the chances in the first half we're having a different conversation but that second half was worrying.

We have to be stronger mentally than that and the changes made by Mourinho where incredibly negative.

My problem is that negative mindset rubbing off on the players.

I do think it could prove to be critical in the sense that if we continue to play like that most weeks and results are mixed, pressure builds massively.

I was hoping Mourinho would have them fired up for that second half after a mixed sort of first half, but he shrank with those subs and obviously the team did.

Not what you want want to see from a manager of his pedigree playing a team below you in the table, at home, even if they are improved.

Hopefully we'll get a serious reaction next week but they're all responsible for that yesterday and the reaction to going one nil down was pretty chilling actually.

And to clarify, when I said critical point I didn't mean this week, I meant in the next few months.

Again, I can see the point of view, but it's then down to the players to make the difference on the pitch. Not one player in the opening twenty of the second half stood up before or after them scoring. That can't all be down to the manager, because that exact sentiment was also being trotted out with the previous manager. It's becoming a recurring theme with these players.

Like I said, I can see your point of view and I agree with it, but we're almost back to that period under Sherwood where it seems the players are almost predetermining whether or not they have the chops for all that silverware they keep going on about.

 

[nedley]

Yes, I was half way positive when Mou got the job actually. But you don’t hire Mourinho without big cash ready to spend in the transfer windows. That’s like purchasing a Ferrari without affording maintenance and parts when needed.

The ITKs can smooze as much as they like. Jose may well be trying to adapt to the club we are but if shit starts to hit the fan we'll all start to hear a different type of tune.

I mean Sorloth. Really...

 

[Deleted member 27995]

The ITKs can smooze as much as they like. Jose may well be trying to adapt to the club we are but if shit starts to hit the fan we'll all start to hear a different type of tune.

I mean Sorloth. Really...

Not many managers in the top 6 have the luxury of bringing on Sissoko, message sent if you ask me.

 

[Albertbarich]

The football has been awful since he came. Some of the worst I've seen . Last season he started squeezing out results and despite some atrocious games (Leipzig and chelsea come to mind) the record was good.

Nothing has changed. He certainly hasn't. I only saw highlights yesterday but I saw the pre season games. He wants to play either this lop sided 4231 or 442. Both seemingly in a low block , we saw him ask for pressing but we never have since he came in to the point that I'm.not convinced that wasn't for the camera as any manager getting ignored that much by a whole team would be dropping players or sacked.

So we all have to make a choice. No point overreacting to one game as I'm sure he can start squeezing out results again. Its clear where we are . A defensive minded team that will play awful football but can go on a run and hit that top six. People like me will hate it but others will soon come round after a win.

A side note but I agree with those moaning about lucas. He certainly can offer something to the team but for me he's a right winger all day long. Get him wide taking on a man . This hybrid wide forward/10 role he's playing only suit him in that he can press. When he is inside he runs into dead ends, can't use his pace and doesn't get the space he thrives on. That role on this system would have been perfect for eriksen or even dele who did it for poch when we were playing 343.

Its going to be a long long season .