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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

mill

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May 21, 2007
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So ledley it is!

Really happy and a clever appointment. It will help unite the fanbase and hopefully set ledley on the path of becoming our next manager.
I absolutely love Ledley probably my favourite player ever but seeing him talk on tv I doubt he’ll ever be a manager
 

ostrov

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Jan 8, 2006
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I absolutely love Ledley probably my favourite player ever but seeing him talk on tv I doubt he’ll ever be a manager
A coach does not necessarily need to be a brilliant speaker. But for me, he makes himself perfectly clear when he talks on TV
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I absolutely love Ledley probably my favourite player ever but seeing him talk on tv I doubt he’ll ever be a manager
There was a video going around a while back of Southgate giving a team talk to the England u23 lads (I think) and people were roundly mocking him saying it was the least inspiring thing they'd ever seen as Southgate timidly talked his way through it.

Fast forward a few years and Southgate leads England to the semi finals and has the nation singing his name with the players fully behind him and only having positive things to say.

As a coach myself I've seen all kinds of coaches leading their team and as someone who is quite reserved and not the best public speaker I feel that I get my player's respect by feeding them little bits of positivity and keeping team talks simple yet focused, one of the other coaches or captain will then give the more galvanizing talk.

You also have to remember the younger generation sometimes respond better to a softer kinder loving approach.

The point is Ledley probably has loads of qualities that could make him a good head coach. I know he doesn't come across as the best speaker and a little under condident but his other qualities could outweigh that.
 

fridgemagnet

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Jan 18, 2009
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I absolutely love Ledley probably my favourite player ever but seeing him talk on tv I doubt he’ll ever be a manager

Ledders always struck me as a bit too softly spoken for a coach (not that there's anything wrong with that) or perhaps not so comfortable with speaking to camera. ICBW. Perhaps softly spoken is wrong phrase "even tempered/mannered"

He doesn't appear to be an interjecter, he allows people to finish what they're saying even if what they're saying is total bollocks! (from the few times I've seen him do a spot of punditry.

However that may make him ideal for coaching, perhaps more so at youth levels?

I was assuming the hints were Mason more than anyone else? At 39 he (King) isn't as "young" as I thought "young" meant

My hunch was Rhino too, although who was lined up to replace McDermott? As that placement seems most critical one but then I've never ran an academy.

If Poch was making a similar announcement then no doubt in my mind Mason would be Spartacus.

For an outside shot; Jan Vertonghen? Although don't former Ajax players usually return home first?

Another outside shot I thought of was a return of Scotty P? I'll be honest I've not followed his managerial career too closely though.
Jose is clearly a Skippy fan and Skip was very praise worthy of Scott's work with him; perhaps Mourinho believes we need to bring through more with his attitude/mindset?
 

fridgemagnet

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Jan 18, 2009
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There was a video going around a while back of Southgate giving a team talk to the England u23 lads (I think) and people were roundly mocking him saying it was the least inspiring thing they'd ever seen as Southgate timidly talked his way through it.

Fast forward a few years and Southgate leads England to the semi finals and has the nation singing his name with the players fully behind him and only having positive things to say.

As a coach myself I've seen all kinds of coaches leading their team and as someone who is quite reserved and not the best public speaker I feel that I get my player's respect by feeding them little bits of positivity and keeping team talks simple yet focused, one of the other coaches or captain will then give the more galvanizing talk.

You also have to remember the younger generation sometimes respond better to a softer kinder loving approach.

The point is Ledley probably has loads of qualities that could make him a good head coach. I know he doesn't come across as the best speaker and a little under condident but his other qualities could outweigh that.

I wanted to like, friendly and informative that post.
 

G Ron

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Aug 24, 2012
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Don't know about that. He brought Defoe back to the club, signed Scott Parker. We wouldn't have had our first CL season without Kaboul and Crouch. Palacios and Sandro, they broke down, but were quality. Friedel and Adebayor solid. Kyle Walker.

Nelsen and Saha might have come from Redknapp connections, but I doubt it was the players he really wanted us to go for.

Was this Nelson & Saha window the same one where we were courting Gary Cahill throughout (when she was at Bolton) only to run out of time? Typical Tottenham if so - that would’ve been a cracking signing.
 

G Ron

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Aug 24, 2012
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As much as I love Ledley, he's not bright enough to be a coach.
Utter nonsense. Ledley is a smart bloke (don’t judge him by his antics after a few too many sherbets) and commands huge respect. I think it would be a great move by Jose. If John fucking Terry can be a coach, anyone can.
 

Metalhead

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Nov 24, 2013
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Utter nonsense. Ledley is a smart bloke (don’t judge him by his antics after a few too many sherbets) and commands huge respect. I think it would be a great move by Jose. If John fucking Terry can be a coach, anyone can.
Ha ha, not to mention Woodgate and Bowyer.
 
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Another outside shot I thought of was a return of Scotty P? I'll be honest I've not followed his managerial career too closely though.
Jose is clearly a Skippy fan and Skip was very praise worthy of Scott's work with him; perhaps Mourinho believes we need to bring through more with his attitude/mindset?

He's just got Fulham into the play-offs, so I think he's above that sort of position these days. Unless he's mental.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Jun 7, 2004
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I think it's revealing and fascinating that King has been appointed to this role after Mourinho experienced him working with the defence. I also think it's revealing and fascinating for us to find out that King has been working with the defence, after watching the improved defensive performances of the past few weeks.

I agree with the majority here that he has entirely the wrong personality to be a manager. That role necessarily involves a lot of "front of house" work with the media and good negotiation skills, including handling difficult personalities and assisting with transfers.

The post above that simplistically declared that King isn't "bright enough to be a coach" is unworthy. He's not stupid, he's inarticulate. He has intelligence and skills that are not useful for expressing himself in public.

Young Ledley had pace, but his game was never about pace. His game was heavily about intelligence: speed of thought, anticipation, dealing with defensive problems by seeing them before they happened and preventing them, visual pattern recognition skills, a swiftly accessible mental database of what specific opponents like to do and how to nullify them and, most centrally, overall speed of reaction and thought combined with calmness. None of those skills are useful for dealing with journalists at press conferences, but they are transmissible to younger players on the pitch. And they're priceless.

Imagine being Japhet Tanganga and having Ledley King available every day to explain what to watch for when faced with a fast break, how to position your body to drive an attacker onto his weak foot or away from goal, angles to adopt when defending corners, timing of headers, peripheral vision, where to leave space when caught short-handed, etc., etc.

It's no surprise at all that Mourinho rates him as a defensive coach. It's like having Rodin on hand to teach sculpture. But I doubt he'll ever be a successful manager.

If Jose is right, I reckon having King as defensive coach could make a half-a-goal-a-game difference to next season's defensive record.
 

fridgemagnet

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Jan 18, 2009
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He's just got Fulham into the play-offs, so I think he's above that sort of position these days. Unless he's mental.

You can tell I've fallen out of love with football* this season as I didn't realise Fulham were up there. Thanks.

We've had a fair few players take their coaching badges with us IIRC, those that were nearing the end of their careers, I'm sure I recall a Jan interview (or maybe it was Toby) saying they'd taken the first part.

*Piss off VAR and take your ugly wife FFP with you as you're both shite at your respective jobs.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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He talks a lot of sense in terms of tactical approaches though, and seems to have an eye for it.

Considering the job of a tactical analyst tends to largely focus on how other teams set up, pragmatism is largely irrelevant to the role.
Won’t be jeans, he’s not a fan of joseball
 
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