Levy to reform scouting procedures

[Spurs_Bear]

You sell your prized asset for mega amounts, which I understand. Why then by 8 players?
We've done it and Liverpool have done it.

When you look at this in the cold light of day where is the logic? At the time I thought OK it 'could' be disruptive, even old Arsen said it.

I believe Liverpool and ourselves have confined the multibyte transfer window to the WPB and history.

Typical Tottenham.

I think the idea, especially for investment firms like ENIC, is that you get 8 more chances to find that player that is then worth 80m. Anyone of our players that we signed, could have doubled in value. Well, except Chiriches. You then make even more bunce, sell them on and replace again, shower, rinse and repeat. All about the wonga.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I know mate, I just wanted to make the London joke...

That's what happens when silly northerners don't understand our nawty humour down here...

 

[Drexl]

This is what I'm talking about though, their scouts don't necessarily have to be amazing spotters of talent, all those players when they are kids are faced with the prospect of going to Southampton, Portsmouth or Bournemouth? Who would you pick given the choice?

Kinda but clubs look outside of catchment area too, Beckham was from Walthamstow or something yet Utd snapped him up as a kid, Utd were all over Bale before he settled on Saints so a decent talent on the South coast would likely have other options too away from the area but Saints seem good at convincing them

 

[Kendall]

You sell your prized asset for mega amounts, which I understand. Why then by 8 players?
We've done it and Liverpool have done it.

When you look at this in the cold light of day, where is the logic? At the time I thought OK it 'could' be disruptive, even old Arsen said it.

I believe Liverpool and ourselves have confined the multibyte transfer window to the WPB and history.

Typical Tottenham.

We didn't sell 1 and buy 8 though.

We sold Bale, but we also sold/released the ageing Gallas (Chiriches), Dempsey (Chadli) and Parker (Capoue), which were correct decisions, all three were past their best and needed to be replaced.

Some questions remain naturally over the decision to sell Huddlestone (Paulinho) and sign Soldado, based upon his attributes. But we did need another striker regardless.

 

[SteveH]

The Southampton academy took over from West ham as the best in the land over the past 30 years IMHO

ManU had a purple patch in the late 80's.

Levy should look at the Saints set up.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Kinda but clubs look outside of catchment area too, Beckham was from Walthamstow or something yet Utd snapped him up as a kid, Utd were all over Bale before he settled on Saints so a decent talent on the South coast would likely have other options too away from the area but Saints seem good at convincing them

Of course clubs look outside the area, I'm saying it's down to the kids whether they want to up sticks and leave. I cant remember exactly what the situation was with Beckham but there was part of his family that was United, cant remember who it was, I know his Grandad was Spurs but don't forget it then all comes down to what they get offered.

 

[SteveH]

I think the idea, especially for investment firms like ENIC, is that you get 8 more chances to find that player that is then worth 80m. Anyone of our players that we signed, could have doubled in value. Well, except Chiriches. You then make even more bunce, sell them on and replace again, shower, rinse and repeat. All about the wonga.

Sadly a lesson learned I hope - but I'm still not writing any of them off. Not even Vlad if he can kick the half time shots.

I have seen signs of quality from all our signings, just not as often as we would all like.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

We didn't sell 1 and buy 8 though.

We sold Bale, but we also sold/released the ageing Gallas (Chiriches), Dempsey (Chadli) and Parker (Capoue), which were correct decisions, all three were past their best and needed to be replaced.

Some questions remain naturally over the decision to sell Huddlestone (Paulinho) and sign Soldado, based upon his attributes. But we did need another striker regardless.

Sold Parker half a season too early in my opinion, didn't need to get rif of all the lads with a bit of spunk about them, sometimes you need to keep a lad around who will run through brick walls even if he will only come on as a sub every 3 games for 10 minutes.

We did sell 1 and buy 8 man, come on, we sold Elvis and bought The Beatles remember...

Oh god, makes you shudder that some ****y ****s associated with our club actually come out with shit like that...

 

[mill]

I think the idea, especially for investment firms like ENIC, is that you get 8 more chances to find that player that is then worth 80m. Anyone of our players that we signed, could have doubled in value. Well, except Chiriches. You then make even more bunce, sell them on and replace again, shower, rinse and repeat. All about the wonga.

couldn't agree more and it's one main of the reasons I believe we'll never truly challenge under ENIC, new stadium or not, the transfer policy priority is about turning a profit on players rather than developing a team

 

[Kendall]

Sold Parker half a season too early in my opinion, didn't need to get rif of all the lads with a bit of spunk about them, sometimes you need to keep a lad around who will run through brick walls even if he will only come on as a sub every 3 games for 10 minutes.

We did sell 1 and buy 8 man, come on, we sold Elvis and bought The Beatles remember...

Oh god, makes you shudder that some ****y ****s associated with our club actually come out with shit like that...

At the time I would've agreed with you about Parker, even though I was quite supportive of him while most of the forum was giving him shit for retaining possession and criticising his pirouette. I'm not sure whether it was just because Fulham were an absolute travesty, but he wasn't at all good last year. But you're right, he was the right kind of character.

 

[SteveH]

We didn't sell 1 and buy 8 though.

We sold Bale, but we also sold/released the ageing Gallas (Chiriches), Dempsey (Chadli) and Parker (Capoue), which were correct decisions, all three were past their best and needed to be replaced.

Some questions remain naturally over the decision to sell Huddlestone (Paulinho) and sign Soldado, based upon his attributes. But we did need another striker regardless.

Very true.

The Huddleston/Paulinho signing was mute. But I thought Paulinho would have been so much better.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Very true.

The Huddleston/Paulinho signing was mute. But I thought Paulinho would have been so much better.

We were seduced by the fact he was a Brazilian and had a couple of caps above anything else. It could have been worse we could have signed Fred!

 

[SteveH]

Sold Parker half a season too early in my opinion, didn't need to get rif of all the lads with a bit of spunk about them, sometimes you need to keep a lad around who will run through brick walls even if he will only come on as a sub every 3 games for 10 minutes.

We did sell 1 and buy 8 man, come on, we sold Elvis and bought The Beatles remember...

Oh god, makes you shudder that some ****y ****s associated with our club actually come out with shit like that...

THIS

But did Parker want to stay as a part timer? The player seems to call the shots so much more over over these type of things.

 

[Kendall]

We were seduced by the fact he was a Brazilian and had a couple of caps above anything else. It could have been worse we could have signed Fred!

I think hindsight is a wonderful (or should that be terrible?) thing with Paulinho.

The knowledgeable in the areas of Brazillian football were largely in agreement that Paulinho was a good signing and had all the attributes to be a success in the league for years. He was getting great reviews at Corinthians and was brilliant on the few times I watched him for Brazil.

There is no doubt that he is not the player we signed, IMO. This isn't the guy that I saw. He has absolutely gone mentality, which raises a huge question over his mental strength. He has had a shit year, an international career-destroying World Cup and now he looks a shell of a player.

 

[mill]

I think hindsight is a wonderful (or should that be terrible?) thing with Paulinho.

The knowledgeable in the areas of Brazillian football were largely in agreement that Paulinho was a good signing and had all the attributes to be a success in the league for years. He was getting great reviews at Corinthians and was brilliant on the few times I watched him for Brazil.

There is no doubt that he is not the player we signed, IMO. This isn't the guy that I saw. He has absolutely gone mentality, which raises a huge question over his mental strength. He has had a shit year, an international career-destroying World Cup and now he looks a shell of a player.

Thing is when we signed him we were crying out for someone who could pass from deep, someone who could go some way to replacing what modric gave us. Regardless of his level of quality he was so blatantly not what the team needed

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Thing is when we signed him we were crying out for someone who could pass from deep, someone who could go some way to replacing what modric gave us. Regardless of his level of quality he was so blatantly not what the team needed

I agree.

It is my stance on the whole scouting situation that no matter what procedures you have in place, your Manager/Head Coach must be the first team Head Scout in theory. Only they know what they need to achieve to get the team working in the way they want it to. I hear a lot of people say how you bring in a DOF who signs players for the overall philosophy of the club yadda yadda yadda, the problem with that is the success stories are so much smaller than the failures in that respect. You really cant have a situation where the manager or coach is having players thrust on them, it has to work together. I have never really liked the idea of transfer committees and saw the signing of Baldini as nothing other than pointless in the first instance, you cant tell me the guy does anything that Levy cant or wont do. He doesn't negotiate, he doesn't offer contracts, he's basically just an agent that we have working for us schmoozing with anyone we are trying to do business with. We're paying him money to utilise his name, and to be honest that's been pretty hit and miss too.

 

[mill]

I agree.

It is my stance on the whole scouting situation that no matter what procedures you have in place, your Manager/Head Coach must be the first team Head Scout in theory. Only they know what they need to achieve to get the team working in the way they want it to. I hear a lot of people say how you bring in a DOF who signs players for the overall philosophy of the club yadda yadda yadda, the problem with that is the success stories are so much smaller than the failures in that respect. You really cant have a situation where the manager or coach is having players thrust on them, it has to work together. I have never really liked the idea of transfer committees and saw the signing of Baldini as nothing other than pointless in the first instance, you cant tell me the guy does anything that Levy cant or wont do. He doesn't negotiate, he doesn't offer contracts, he's basically just an agent that we have working for us schmoozing with anyone we are trying to do business with. We're paying him money to utilise his name, and to be honest that's been pretty hit and miss too.

how we went from moutinho being the be all and end all of world football to a player with paulinho's skillset is the epitome of stupidity

 

[Spurs_Bear]

how we went from moutinho being the be all and end all of world football to a player with paulinho's skillset is the epitome of stupidity

I think the answer there is one of them was £17m and the other one was upwards of £25m.

 

[only1waddle]

how we went from moutinho being the be all and end all of world football to a player with paulinho's skillset is the epitome of stupidity

Strootman went to Baldini's former club for less cash in the same window, that's the bigger crime.

 

[stemark44]

I think hindsight is a wonderful (or should that be terrible?) thing with Paulinho.

The knowledgeable in the areas of Brazillian football were largely in agreement that Paulinho was a good signing and had all the attributes to be a success in the league for years. He was getting great reviews at Corinthians and was brilliant on the few times I watched him for Brazil.

There is no doubt that he is not the player we signed, IMO. This isn't the guy that I saw. He has absolutely gone mentality, which raises a huge question over his mental strength. He has had a shit year, an international career-destroying World Cup and now he looks a shell of a player.

A David Bentley MARK II then.