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cjsimba

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There's been a lot of talk recently about us possibly bringing in another player to play on the left of our new 4-3-3 formation. At the moment we have Lamela and Townsend on the right but only really Chadli on the left. Chadli so far has been very good but there is certainly a case that we lack depth in this position.

Now in a 4-3-3 AVB seems to like playing with wide forwards who cut inside onto their stronger foot.

We were in for Willian who is a plamaking LWF and some people have suggested that Eriksen is his replacement. However, im not convinced AVB will play him much in this position. Instead i think we will see him much more in the midfield 3 or in the no. 10 position in a 4-2-3-1.

So who do we bring in? At Porto AVB played with Varela on the left, cutting in on his stronger right foot. Varela is more of a wide forward/winger than say a Willian, but with Moutinho playing in the Porto midfield 3 and providing the creativity, a playmaking LWF was not a necessity.

At Chelsea, AVB often played Mata in the LWF role. Mata, although left footed is, like Willian, very much a playmaker who drifts between the lines, rather than a winger. However, was he played there more out of the necessity to get some creativity in the team given that Chelsea's midfield 3 was made up of Mikel, Ramires and Lampard. None of these 3 provide the same creativity that Moutinho provided in AVB's Porto side.

What I'm trying to say is which type of LWF does AVB ideally like to play with? Will we see an attempt to bring a playmaking LWF like Willian (hypothetically eg. Mata, Ozil etc.)- or even play Eriksen out there? Or, now that we have Eriksen who tends to play and create from the midfield 3 (a type of player Chelsea never had when they played Mata at LWF), will we look to bring in more of a wide forward/winger like Varela and Chadli (hypothetically eg. Di Maria, Jackson Martinez etc.)
 

eViL

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Lennon.
Chadli.
Eriksen.
Lamela.
Holtby.

Only one of those choices is one footed.

4-3-3 or even the front 4 of a 4-2-3-1 isn't about set positions, it's about fluidity and having the attacking players being able to drift so they're harder to defend against. All of the attacking players we have bought can play in several positions and have been puchased to play in this system.

I personally would like to see us finalise the squad and keep some money back (if there is any left) just in case.
 

Syn_13

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I haven't seen enough of Eriksen to be able to say whether he suits playing wide. I've seen in clips that he's fast, a little tricky and could ideally play that wide position. I do agree, that he looks like the kind of purchase we'd make for the ACM role in a 4-2-3-1.

However, don't write Chadli off. He's been the quietest so far of the new signings but he's not been poor. He may not have blistering pace but he looks like he's got good feet and an eye for a cross, even with his weaker foot (see Soldado goal against Tblisi).

I think our priority now is a young backup striker and a left back. Once we have those I'd like us to stop and focus on getting this team to gel.
 

cjsimba

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I haven't seen enough of Eriksen to be able to say whether he suits playing wide. I've seen in clips that he's fast, a little tricky and could ideally play that wide position. I do agree, that he looks like the kind of purchase we'd make for the ACM role in a 4-2-3-1.

However, don't write Chadli off. He's been the quietest so far of the new signings but he's not been poor. He may not have blistering pace but he looks like he's got good feet and an eye for a cross, even with his weaker foot (see Soldado goal against Tblisi).

I think our priority now is a young backup striker and a left back. Once we have those I'd like us to stop and focus on getting this team to gel.


I do very much agree we shouldn't write Chadli off and im not trying to do that, honestly. I think Chadli will be very good for us and prove early doubters wrong.

Its just we've had talk that we made a bid for Mata recently who plays in that position and there has also been ITK today about a big player coming in who many assume would add competition to the LWF position.
 

beats1

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We dont need anymore midfielders unless they ARE world class

Someone like Muniain will need games to develop and we cant guarantee that with our squad.

As for LWF at the moment the wide places are for me Eriksen, Chadli, Lamela and Townsend. I would also say Townsend is probably the guy with player who has been great on both wings as he has shown he is good cutting on his right foot
 

cjsimba

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We dont need anymore midfielders unless they ARE world class

Someone like Muniain will need games to develop and we cant guarantee that with our squad.

As for LWF at the moment the wide places are for me Eriksen, Chadli, Lamela and Townsend. I would also say Townsend is probably the guy with player who has been great on both wings as he has shown he is good cutting on his right foot


If Eriksen played on the left would you also play Holtby in the middle 3? The reason i ask is that at Chelsea, there was often talk that even though Mata played LWF, Chelsea lacked a creative Moutinho type in the middle to 3 to fit in with AVB's Porto system. Without Holtby and Eriksen in the team wouldn't we be in a similar position?
 

beats1

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If Eriksen played on the left would you also play Holtby in the middle 3? The reason i ask is that at Chelsea, there was often talk that even though Mata played LWF, Chelsea lacked a creative Moutinho type in the middle to 3 to fit in with AVB's Porto system. Without Holtby and Eriksen in the team wouldn't we be in a similar position?
I think it will depend on the opposition, I mean against the top teams we can play 2 DM's and have the front 4 of a 433 or 4231 with less priority to track back and even tell our fullbacks to go forward as much as possible and with someone like Capoue and Sandro we can still have alot of protection
 

Syn_13

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I do very much agree we shouldn't write Chadli off and im not trying to do that, honestly. I think Chadli will be very good for us and prove early doubters wrong.

Its just we've had talk that we made a bid for Mata recently who plays in that position and there has also been ITK today about a big player coming in who many assume would add competition to the LWF position.

Well I think the Mata rumours are just simply that. I cannot see him wanting to come to us, nor Chelsea letting him go. I haven't been around much today as I've been working 'til 9pm so I didn't see the ITK about a "big player".

I think we've got enough wide players as it is. We've got Chadli, Lamela, Townsend and Lennon who play out wide naturally. 3 on the right and 1 on the left, although Townsend and Lamela could do just as good a job on the other side. We may well be after another one and if anyone is to leave it'd be Lennon, as Townsend has more of a future and looks to be progressing excellently.

I think AVB might end up playing a 4-3-3 in which Lamela and Eriksen will tuck into the middle to create chances, allowing the full backs to maraud forward and act like wingers. During this kind of attack 2 of the centre mids will be tasked to anchor back and cover the space the full backs leave behind whilst the 3rd offers support in the middle. It's similar to how Brazil have been operating recently with Paulinho/Gustavo acting as anchors for Alves and Marcelo to bomb forward whilst Hulk and Neymar come in wide to provide a goal threat, leaving Oscar as the free man to support.
 

Strikeb4ck

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Townsend can play there, Chadli's done well so far, Eriksen will have to play there when we play better teams and need the 3 midfield beasts.

I really like the idea of a front 3 of Lamela, Townsend, and Eriksen constantly interchanging and swapping around.
 

eViL

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I think Chadli's got more pace than people are giving him credit for. All the teams we've played so far have sat deep, so it's tough to see it - but he is quick.
 

thinktank

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I think Chadli's got more pace than people are giving him credit for. All the teams we've played so far have sat deep, so it's tough to see it - but he is quick.
Yup. I think he's great and once he's on full burners he'll be a menace.
 

voxy28

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Keep the existing players.... get a young talent.

Name: Victor Vinicius Coelho Santos (Vitinho)
Age: 19
Club: Botafogo
Position: Attacking Midfield
Nationality: Brazilian


"He is widely regarded as the best 'newcomer' in the league this season," Football Manager head researcher in Brazil, Paulo Freitas, explains. "He is a very talented attacking midfielder, with great technique and good speed off the mark.

"He needs, though, to improve his teamwork, as he can be too selfish at times. He tries to make things happen too much by himself, rather than passing the ball to a player in a better position."




Chat with Paulo regarding this talent and apparently CSKA and Porto launch a bid for him... wish we had as well.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/thescoutsnotebook/id/610?cc=4716

 

ILS

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There's been a lot of talk recently about us possibly bringing in another player to play on the left of our new 4-3-3 formation. At the moment we have Lamela and Townsend on the right but only really Chadli on the left. Chadli so far has been very good but there is certainly a case that we lack depth in this position.

Now in a 4-3-3 AVB seems to like playing with wide forwards who cut inside onto their stronger foot.

We were in for Willian who is a plamaking LWF and some people have suggested that Eriksen is his replacement. However, im not convinced AVB will play him much in this position. Instead i think we will see him much more in the midfield 3 or in the no. 10 position in a 4-2-3-1.

So who do we bring in? At Porto AVB played with Varela on the left, cutting in on his stronger right foot. Varela is more of a wide forward/winger than say a Willian, but with Moutinho playing in the Porto midfield 3 and providing the creativity, a playmaking LWF was not a necessity.

At Chelsea, AVB often played Mata in the LWF role. Mata, like Willian is very much a right footed playmaker who drifts between the lines, rather than a winger. However, was he played there more out of the necessity to get some creativity in the team given that Chelsea's midfield 3 was made up of Mikel, Ramires and Lampard. None of these 3 provide the same creativity that Moutinho provided in AVB's Porto side.

What I'm trying to say is which type of LWF does AVB ideally like to play with? Will we see an attempt to bring a playmaking LWF like Willian (hypothetically eg. Mata, Ozil etc.)- or even play Eriksen out there? Or, now that we have Eriksen who tends to play and create from the midfield 3 (a type of player Chelsea never had when they played Mata at LWF), will we look to bring in more of a wide forward/winger like Varela and Chadli (hypothetically eg. Di Maria, Jackson Martinez etc.)

You appear to watch football alot yet state Mata is right footed?
 

mark87

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Eriksen. I fully expect at some point to lineup as....

Eriksen, Soldado, Lamela

Dembele, Sandro, Paulinho
 
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