Jose Mourinho

[TheRevolution]

Jose had all his midfield options available to him, if he can't do something better against players that he knows inside out then we have no hope. Yes Fred and Mctominay have had good seasons but neither are world beaters. We should be doing more to regain control of the match.

Im not so sure if he had all of his midfield options. Lo Celso, unarguably our best midfielder this season did not look sharp enough to play a full game. Gedson looked good, quite exciting but still raw. I still have hopes for Ndombele but much like Dembele in early Poch Spurs we'll need to be patient.

This football isn't ideal but it gets the most out of the personnel available to us. If we had of attacked them then we would have had no possession and concede more goals vs no possession and hard to beat. Also attacking football requires top fullbacks. Our defence would be a shambles in any other system but this one plays to the strengths of Davies and Aurier.

 

[rossdapep]

Another thing to add.

United have had a lot of joy against the likes of City who play high up he pitch and offer space behind.

They've also really struggled against teams who sit back and put up a low/mid block. Just this season they beat City then followed it up with a run of poor results against average opposition.

Jose was always going to have us sit deeper to restrict their threat. Martial, James and Rashford barely had a sniff and Maguire looked suspect.

 

[dontcallme]

Another thing to add.

United have had a lot of joy against the likes of City who play high up he pitch and offer space behind.

They've also really struggled against teams who sit back and put up a low/mid block. Just this season they beat City then followed it up with a run of poor results against average opposition.

Jose was always going to have us sit deeper to restrict their threat. Martial, James and Rashford barely had a sniff and Maguire looked suspect.

Agree.

Utd are in a rebuilding stage themselves and have put a lot of focus onto playing attacking players with a lot of pace. They are still limited but it's important to adjust your game to nullify that pace or they will punish you.

 

[danielneeds]

Another thing to add.

United have had a lot of joy against the likes of City who play high up he pitch and offer space behind.

They've also really struggled against teams who sit back and put up a low/mid block. Just this season they beat City then followed it up with a run of poor results against average opposition.

Jose was always going to have us sit deeper to restrict their threat. Martial, James and Rashford barely had a sniff and Maguire looked suspect.

We had two shots on target, at home, against an unremarkable team.

 

[King of Otters]

We had two shots on target, at home, against an unremarkable team.

What else could Jose have done with *checks notes* Japhet Tanganga unavailable?

 

[danielneeds]

What else could Jose have done with *checks notes* Japhet Tanganga unavailable?

The gaslighting is strong from the "used to be special one".

 

[bubble07]

It was always at the back of my mind that JM would break his own records with us in a bad way

He is on his worst managerial run in his career

 

[bubble07]

So with dele and lucas back the only excuse left in the notebook is the turnaround time from game to game despite our next opponents having a shorter turnaround

Zero excuses left

Tanganga Foyth Parrott only injuries

 

[walworthyid]

What is frustrating me is that you cant see any progression. What are we trying to achieve with our tactics?

You often hear commentators say if x team keeps playing that way they will be ok etc. They say it because despite a loss, even a heavy one, you can see what the team is trying to do. You get the promoted teams who either try to shut up shop and hope for the best or they come up and try to play. Yes they get beat more often than not, but is generally because they simply dont have enough quality. I respect and appreciate that approach. What we are doing is the opposite. We are playing football in such a way as to make us less than the sum of our parts. Jose is taking good players and making them play worse. Yes we have some areas that need improving, but a good manager would get the best out of what we have. We certainly dont have any bad players and our squad is vastly better than every team outside of the top 6. Yet, virtually every team plays better football than we do. How is that possible?

It's literally driving me insane. I love spurs and supporting them is a huge part of my life. But jose is making me question how I mentally approach supporting my team. I want him out so much that I actually dont want us to win, but that works against everything that supporting my team is about. I know that he wont change what he is doing. I know that we will lose our best players because they dont believe in what we are doing or enjoy doing it. But I also know that if we win a game, it is one more game that he will be in charge.

I honestly dont know how to feel about it. What I do know is that something very important is missing from my life and I want it back!

 

[walworthyid]

We had two shots on target, at home, against an unremarkable team.

And only one of those came from actual team play. Bergwyn's goal came from a piece of individual skill.

Its shocking.

He absolutely needs to go.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Whilst I agree with that I do firmly believe it was down to tiredness and Jose knowing Kane and Son weren't sharp enough.

If we are still seeing the same thing in a couple of weeks time, I'll be more concerned.

You can really use the tiredness and no options from the bench excuse for a whole season? Funny i didn’t know that. He had 5 subs used 2 ffs.

Enough of the excuses such bollocks. The 2nd half approach is all on Mourinho.

 

[stov]

Only using 2 subs was all about politics and making a point to levy to buy. How about you use what you have and try and win the game?

Can't stand Jose's approach to football, he is living off past success and will not improve us.

 

[rossdapep]

Only using 2 subs was all about politics and making a point to levy to buy. How about you use what you have and try and win the game?

Can't stand Jose's approach to football, he is living off past success and will not improve us.

Hilarious (and sad) that you think a serial winner who would love to have got a win over his former club would choose this moment to make a point to the board when the game was very much in the balance of going either way.

The truth is Jose didn't trust Ndombele to come on and help keep defensive shape, Sessegnon needs more time to understand tactical strategies and Sissoko/Winks were coping well enough. The way the game transpired, Jose didn't want to take a risk and the pieces available/not available didnt allow him to return to an approach of the first half. Other than those two who else could we have brought on? Toby or Jan? When Dier and Davinson had been very composed and solid? Skipp? Is he ready yet?

Now if Alli and Lucas had been on the bench and not been used I'd agree but we needed to not upset the apple cart too much as it would have been irreversible had Ndombele come on and given United dangerous space.

In fact, in those last ten minutes or so we started to attack more, United still had moments but it shows we weren't just hanging on.

I imagine we'll see a different team against West Ham and more subs used as we'll be able to go on the front foot a bit more.

 

[spids]

I think I can see what Jose is trying to do. Similar to his Inter Milan and Real Madrid tactics. Defend deep in big games and nick a goal on the counter, and win by not conceding. If we cut out individual defensive mistakes (which probably means at least two new defenders) we will win a lot of games with these tactics. But it is important to underline that these tactics require clean sheets, and with the likes of Aurier, Dier and Sanchez in the back 4 we will make at least 3 individual mistakes in our own penalty area every game. We were very lucky Lloris saved Rashford's shot first half after a calamitous header by Sanchez under no pressure. And expect Tanganga to also make mistakes for the next couple of years as he is still very much in learning mode. I am really hoping Dier can step up a level as he has all the ingredients to be a truly top CB, and until the final 10 mins last night was having a really solid game. If he can continue to add controlled aggression and in parallel improve his concentration levels he will be a very good CB.

In midfield it is hard to judge Winks and Sissoko as 90% of their game last night was to occupy space in front of our defence to stop passes rather than contributing anything meaningful in possession to build an attack. I think Jose would be prepared to play a midfield trio of DCM, Lo Celso and Ndombele against weaker teams, but will always revert to a more defensive midfield in games where he wants to avoid conceding to nick that goal.

With the wide players, Jose is asking Son, Moura, Bergwijn and Lamela to do the hard yards defensively, similar to how he did with Joe Cole over a decade ago. They seem to have bought into this at present, but last night Son spent 90% of the game defending our defensive third against Wan Bissaka, and I question whether he wants to do this in his peak years as a world class forward. I personally think he will only do so if we are winning the big trophies, and not just chasing 4th place.

First half last night we actually created the better chances and looked sharper in the final third. Take away Sanchez gifting Rashford a good chance and they were restricted to a couple of Fernandes pot shots. Second half we tired, Kane was dead on his feet after an hour and Son, Lamela and Bergwijn had worked some hard yards, and we had no idea of how to keep the ball to relieve the pressure. If we were able to bring on a backup CF, Moura, Dele, and Lo Celso and Ndombele (as our 5 subs) I think we would have won the game.

For me it is essential that we buy players in the following positions to have any chance with Jose's tactics:

• A RB who does not make mistakes (Meunier on a free would be ideal).
• A proper DCM who can really read the game and snuff out danger (Pipe dream - I hear Chelsea are considering selling Kante .... but we're more likely to get Hjoberg).
• A target man CF (athletic and powerful) - not just as back up for Kane, but competition and potentially a partner (Omishen would have been perfect, but his agent dampened that talk).

LLORIS
Gazzaniga
MEUNIER---ALDERWEIRELD---DIER---DAVIES
Aurier---Sanchez---Tanganga---Sessegnon
KANTE----LO CELSO
Winks/Skipp---Sissoko/Gedson
BERGWIJN----NDOMBELE-----SON
Moura-------Lamela------Dele
KANE
Omishen​

 

[sunnydelight786]

Only using 2 subs was all about politics and making a point to levy to buy. How about you use what you have and try and win the game?

Can't stand Jose's approach to football, he is living off past success and will not improve us.

Don't worry mate these lot will soon wake up and see how rapidly we are regressing under this dinosaur and his "hoof ball" tactics. All the excuses were out for him prior to lock down regarding injuries/fatigue/no time spent together/etc, yet after a mini pre season, rested players, fully fit squad and time to think of tactics we still stink the place out.

Launching the ball to Kane's head, sitting back and trying to defend a fortuitous lead and players treating the ball like a hot potato is the Jose way. His whole ideology is "if you don't have the ball then you can't make a mistake' neagtive BS. Levy has royally fucked up appointing this mug thinking a change of voice would get the best out of this squad hence qualification for the CL. Well 7 months on we're a total shambles under this mug with fans now openly saying we need wholesale change in the squad... exactly what MP was bleating on about since the MUFC FA Cup semi defeat 2 years back. The difference being we now got a manager with no history of team building to do so with little money.

Those twats who were salivating at the thought of this c**t managing us, I hope you're enjoying what you're seeing right now. Suck it up as it's not going to get any better, in fact it'll get toxic!!!

FUCK OFF Mourinho!!!

 

[olliec]

Don't worry mate these lot will soon wake up and see how rapidly we are regressing under this dinosaur and his "hoof ball" tactics. All the excuses were out for him prior to lock down regarding injuries/fatigue/no time spent together/etc, yet after a mini pre season, rested players, fully fit squad and time to think of tactics we still stink the place out.

Launching the ball to Kane's head, sitting back and trying to defend a fortuitous lead and players treating the ball like a hot potato is the Jose way. His whole ideology is "if you don't have the ball then you can't make a mistake' neagtive BS. Levy has royally fucked up appointing this mug thinking a change of voice would get the best out of this squad hence qualification for the CL. Well 7 months on we're a total shambles under this mug with fans now openly saying we need wholesale change in the squad... exactly what MP was bleating on about since the MUFC FA Cup semi defeat 2 years back. The difference being we now got a manager with no history of team building to do so with little money.

Those twats who were salivating at the thought of this c**t managing us, I hope you're enjoying what you're seeing right now. Suck it up as it's not going to get any better, in fact it'll get toxic!!!

FUCK OFF Mourinho!!!

This is absolutely ridiculous. Before the season stopped we had pretty much half the first team out and yet he still managed to keep us in contention for cl football next season. Also none of the players have had first team football for a long time and it was natural we were going to tire as the majority are coming back from long term injuries,
Kane included. If Dier didn’t fuck up we would of taken all 3 points. What’s with all the hate? I just don’t see your logic. Also going into this game UTD are in form and morale is a high when ours is low.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

We had two shots on target, at home, against an unremarkable team.

While I agree that our shots on target was unimpressive, I don't think it was as few as two. Son alone had two shots saved in the first half (tame effort from range early on + the header).

 

[kaz Hirai]

Just gotta ride it out and hope the damage isn't too bad when it's time for him to leave

A director of football would help with that

 

[Gb160]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Before the season stopped we had pretty much half the first team out and yet he still managed to keep us in contention for cl football next season. Also none of the players have had first team football for a long time and it was natural we were going to tire as the majority are coming back from long term injuries,
Kane included. If Dier didn’t fuck up we would of taken all 3 points. What’s with all the hate? I just don’t see your logic. Also going into this game UTD are in form and morale is a high when ours is low.

That’s because the post is devoid of logic.
It’s moronic.

 

[shelfboy68]

That’s because the post is devoid of logic.
It’s moronic.

And you thought I was a ****.