Martin Jol

[tototoner]

It is not an over-exaggeration at all. He holds the record for our worst cup season since we started playing in the league cup. So the worst over a 45 year period. Never have we lost both our first cup games in a season. In fact, I doubt many other top flight clubs have done this, if ever. And worst still, to Grimsby, a club from the bottom division (we've also never done this since the 4th division was created) and to Leicester, also a lower league club.

Apart from that, lower league clubs in the shape of Port Vale, Southend, Notts Forest and WBA, either drew with us at home or took us to extra time. Cardiff also took us to a replay at WHL. Then we finally did get past these clubs, we lost to the first half decent team we came up against every time (apart from Fulham away). And that is being kind given I'm including that Liverpool reserve side at home in 2004/05, the Arsenal mixed bag team last season and that awful Newcastle team under Souness.

So no, it is not an over-exaggeration to say he had a shocking cup record and given King played in most of these defeats, that remains a very poor excuse.

We also broke the British record for most consecutive wins in Europe under Jol, but I guess everyone can use and twist stats how they see fit.

As for yesterday I am sure Jol was overjoyed that we won, not bitter at all, which is still how some of our fans treat BMJ.

 

[MilkyBarYid]

I think Tony Cascarino summed it up nicely with "I don't think Mourinho would have lost this game and I don't think Martin Jol would have won it".

 

[Pleat_Out]

We also broke the British record for most consecutive wins in Europe under Jol, but I guess everyone can use and twist stats how they see fit

Big wow. Everton, a whole season later, are one win away from equalling that. Simply because teams play more games under this format before they get to quality opposition. It does not detract from the fact his overall cup record was shite and that we lost just about every tie against anyone half decent. On top of the defeats to the likes of Grimsby, Leicester et al.

 

[Stoof]

Big wow. Everton, a whole season later, are one win away from equalling that. Simply because teams play more games under this format before they get to quality opposition. It does not detract from the fact his overall cup record was shite and that we lost just about every tie against anyone half decent.

Your level of support is fantastic.

Thought it impossible that any Spurs fan could be having a go at any part of our club or recent history on today of all days.

Well done for exceeding expectations mate.

Martin Jol started this all off. We'll never know if he'd have got us this far or not. What we do know is that we owe him a great deal of credit for starting it.

And it's fucking awesome that Ramos has finished it. If you're trying to argue that Martin Jol was a poor manager, then you're simply wrong. Wrong wrong and a little bit more wrong. I don't want to get into it; it might be easier for you to look at some of my posts for your answers. But having a pop at him really isn't constructive or relevant on today of all days.

We won a fucking trophy. Now get your arse on to YouTube and watch some fucking Glory Glory.

Oorah.

 

[tototoner]

Big wow. Everton, a whole season later, are one win away from equalling that. Simply because teams play more games under this format before they get to quality opposition. It does not detract from the fact his overall cup record was shite and that we lost just about every tie against anyone half decent. On top of the defeats to the likes of Grimsby, Leicester et al.

winning away at Slavia Prague, Besiktas and Bayern Leverkusen isn't to be dismissed lightly.

 

[Pleat_Out]

If you're trying to argue that Martin Jol was a poor manager, then you're simply wrong

Where did I say that? My initial reply was to a suggestion Ramos had been a bit lucky to have King fit as when King had been fit in the last few years, we'd not lost key games. I just pointed out this wasn't true. King was playing against Grimsby, nevermind Seville at home.

But having a pop at him really isn't constructive or relevant on today of all days

I didn't just come into the thread and randomly have a pop at him. More than anything I was defending yesterday's acheivement.

 

[Pleat_Out]

winning away at Slavia Prague, Besiktas and Bayern Leverkusen isn't to be dismissed lightly.

The latter two were among his better cup wins, if not the the best. However this isn't saying much when his best demestic cup win was at Fulham.

 

[walworthyid]

The latter two were among his better cup wins, if not the the best. However this isn't saying much when his best demestic cup win was at Fulham.

I don't think it is fair to take away the fact that Jol put in some of the foundations with nearly 3 years of good work.

The biggest Jol fan, I was one of them, has to admit that Ramos is different class, but, he would not have been able to achieve what he now has without the effort put in by BMJ. Players like Lennon and Keano have grown under BMJ as well his support of Berbo when he was shit at the beginning of last season.

This is all about Ramos, but I just don't like the way so many people on this forum feel the need to have a go at BMJ, I personally will hold him in high regard as a true yid.

 

[idlepete]

It is not an over-exaggeration at all. He holds the record for our worst cup season since we started playing in the league cup. So the worst over a 45 year period. Never have we lost both our first cup games in a season. In fact, I doubt many other top flight clubs have done this, if ever.

Villa have. A lot.

But that's not the point is it? We've just won a major trophy, everyone's happy, everything's rosy, and best of all we have a nice excuse to make bitter, pointless and unsubstantiated remarks about how we would have lost that game eight-nil under the reign of the former manager. It's a fantastic time for all of us.

 

[Pleat_Out]

I don't think it is fair to take away the fact that Jol put in some of the foundations with nearly 3 years of good work

I agree and I never said otherwise.

I just think it's also unfair on Ramos to say that having King fit is a major reason that we've won the cup games we have and Jol didn't.

 

[BoringOldFan]

As much as I still love Jol for what he did for us this cup was won by Ramos. How the hell are we gonna hold onto him? :-(

Dougal you are clearly sobering up. I suggest you get back to your local 'clinic' and administer a few pints of medicine post-haste :wink:.

 

[Dougal]

Dougal you are clearly sobering up. I suggest you get back to your local 'clinic' and administer a few pints of medicine post-haste :wink:.

You're right!

*beer injection*

We're gonna win the league next year! :grin: