Mauricio Pochettino

[WhiteStripe]

There is only one interpretation of failure!

Correct. Lack of success

PSG: Ligue 1 (2021/22), Coupe de France (2021)

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

His ‘failure’ at PSG is grossly misinterpreted

To be fair, Poch time at PSG was pretty much par for the course as with most managers there. Every manager is judged on winning the Champions league, so if you don't do that you 'fail'. He is in great company.

But, I find it very strange how some look to play down anything Poch did. I wonder if some do it, as at the time they felt he was holding us back as he didn't get us over the line. A lot of those calling for him to be sacked was because they believed we just needed a top manager like Mourinho or Conte to take us over the line. We know how that worked out and where that has now left us.

But sadly, rather than contemplate that they were perhaps a little wrong, it's easier to double down and hold on to anything you can grasp as a negative.

There were things that weren't great about Poch, especially towards the end of his time with us when he had burnt out and it's fair to question a couple of his signings. But when you look at his time at Spurs, I find it bizarre how some will hold on to such minor things in contrast with all the amazing stuff he did for us.

 

[rossdapep]

We need to, as a fanbase, get over Poch.

I get why people want him back. I just understand those who are only wanting Poch.

He was brilliant for us. I will always love what he did here and look fondly back at those days.

Best I ever had as a fan.

But this club need new energy and new ground to go over.

Old scars will surface with Poch.

Not only that but the coaching landscape is vastly different today, so many young coaches who are tactically better than Poch. And most teams operate with a similar high press/high octane approach

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

There is only one interpretation of failure!

the point is he didn't fail

 

[allatsea]

the point is he didn't fail

I think most of us could have 'achieved' what he did at PSG with that squad at our disposal. It is a one horse race in that league.

 

[McFlash]

Lots of folks sound pretty upset when Poch is included in the 'next manager watch' thread. No real arguments against him, just urging to stop including him and move over here.

Over here seems to have a lot of that 'emotion' the anti-Poch folks mention often. Of course, the anti-Poch folks are projecting all their emotion too rather than making a case against him. Fact is, Poch is easily comparable to Naglesmann and Slot and should be well within our reach if we had a hierarchy that had any sort of vision or clue.

Anyway, if Poch goes to Chelsea I'll certainly watch them with more interest and be interested in how he gets on over there. They have similar hierarchy issues to us, so it's not a forgone conclusion that he'd succeed there. But if they let him hold the reins, I've no doubt he'll do very well and they'll be a good watch. Their main issues are trimming the squad and adding proper forwards. Maybe Lukaku would find a way back in a different system with him as the focal point up top. You could see Poch wanting to keep Mount and trying to move Ziyech, Pulisic, Sterling, Aubameyang and others out. The clear out there is quite starkly needed. If they balance out, mainly with outgoings, they'll surely rise up the table again.

You keep on with this "nobody has made a decent case against him" nonsense but it's just not correct.
Poch has done next to nothing since he left us and nothing to prove that he's addressed the weaknesses that were apparent when he was here.

His tactical naivety and his failure of our youth players are just two examples.

Yes he provided some great times for us when he was here but you can't be so blinkered as to completely ignore the fact that he also had some pretty major flaws.

Would I be unhappy if he came back now? No, of course not.
Do I think the time is right for that return? No, I don't.

I would much rather he went elsewhere and show that he's learnt and grown from his time with us because his short spell at psg taught us the square root of fuck all.

 

[muppetman]

This whole thread (you could argue it's actually the whole forum at the moment!)

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

I think most of us could have 'achieved' what he did at PSG with that squad at our disposal. It is a one horse race in that league.

maybe, but not one manager could have achieved what he did with spurs during his spell, and having both serial winners mourinho and conte here proves that

 

[ljinko888]

Give him a call and make the offer.

If he wants to go to Chelsea after that then so be it.

Letting him go there through one man's unwillingness to admit he messed up is humiliating.

And what happens if the managers like Nagelsmann and Slot decide this is not a place to be. The one guy who wanted to be here might be lifting trophies with a rival.

 

[rossdapep]

Give him a call and make the offer.

If he wants to go to Chelsea after that then so be it.

Letting him go there through one man's unwillingness to admit he messed up is humiliating.

And what happens if the managers like Nagelsmann and Slot decide this is not a place to be. The one guy who wanted to be here might be lifting trophies with a rival.

So let's do another reactionary panic appointment??

 

[Gassin's finest]

Just fucking get him in, christ alive.

And then Danny fuck off to the bahamas.

 

[Trix]

So let's do another reactionary panic appointment??

Yeah because we are so much better when we take a couple of months to do it.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

There is only one interpretation of failure!

Depends how high you aim, echoes of glory 'n all that.

 

[jazz15c]

So, you sack someone from your business, for reasons, and then you make the decision to bring then back? Does anyone truly believe that is a good idea?

Would anyone run their own business like that? People you work with who have been sacked, for reasons; would you re-hire them?

 

[muppetman]

So, you sack someone from your business, for reasons, and then you make the decision to bring then back? Does anyone truly believe that is a good idea?

Would anyone run their own business like that? People you work with who have been sacked, for reasons; would you re-hire them?

I think there were a unique set of consequences that caused burnout so I can see the logic in it.

I don't think it will happen but it's not quite as insane as some are making out imo.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Arguing both sides of this is irrelevant. There are people who want him and people who don’t. I’m pretty certain there are more that want him than don’t.

As the ITKs have said, he’s not coming, and that would appear to be down to the bald midgets pride.

For me, that’s fucking mental and another inexcusable error. I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t just give it a go. If it goes wrong at least it ends the argument, levy listened to fans and We can finally move on. Any appointment could go wrong. But if the next manager appointment isn’t Poch and it goes wrong while Poch wins something with Chelsea the club will have made things immeasurably worse.

Oh well, I suppose if that happens we can get Poch when he’s a spent force like other Chelsea managers we have gone after. It’s the spurs way!

 

[Albertbarich]

So it seems he is joining the chavs.

He isn't up there with Judas but for me personally as someone who has always loved him he will have totally ruined his legacy here.

Hoddle was different. The rivalry wasn't there , they were a yo-yo club who we didn't care about , it was a long time ago.

He has every right to do it if we don't want him and as a professional I understand it but from my perspective he knows what joining them means so I wouldn't welcome him back as a legend or manager now he has crossed the line to them

Their coaches do it all the time and that's on them but I think there is a couple of lines you don't cross. And the chavs are now one of them.

At least he has made us all get over him. His name will never be sung again, that's for sure.

 

[spursfan77]

All but done to chelsea it seems

 

[Rob]

So Poch and Kane will finally win a few trophies together... :-(

 

[Huddlebone]

Chelsea Will be really dangerous next season if Pochettino joins, Puts Lukaku into a tough pree season.