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Meet Jacques Crevoisier - brains behind Arsenal's youth revolution

Locotoro

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If you think that intelligence comes a long way down the list of assets a footballer needs to succeed at the highest level, watch Arsenal in Wednesday's Carling Cup tie at Newcastle and think again.

Arsene Wenger's Gunners have all had to pass a psychometric test set by Jacques Crevoisier - the man the Arsenal manager trusts to gauge if his next batch of stars have what it takes.

The 62-year-old psychologist, who has known Wenger for 40 years, has delved into the minds of some of the finest young players Europe has seen, among them Henry, Anelka, Trezeguet, Walcott, Wilshere and Ramsey.
'Arsene Wenger always tells me that you have to be clever to play for Arsenal and that is where he starts,' says Crevoisier from his home near Geneva.
'Without that, you cannot fit into his system. 'At Arsenal I've done tests for all the young players. They were all outstanding psychologically. I think Wilshere's showed him to be a bit more confident than Walcott but they all had some of the best profiles you will see.'

Crevoisier uses a 117-question psychological assessment on youngsters to help managers deduce their strengths and weaknesses.
It measures their psychological endurance, competitiveness, emotional control, stress resistance and aggression among other things.
It involves asking a player how strongly he agrees or disagrees with statements such as:
Even in training, I want to show I am better than the others.
I am ready to hurt my adversary in order to win.

Some of the results of English players are alarming when compared to their equivalents in France, where he does most of his work.
'Young English players come across as more committed and aggressive in the test but their self-confidence and concentration is not as good,' he says.
'The lack of self-confidence is understandable because it is so difficult to get a chance to break through.
'If you are at an average-sized club in France you will get the opportunity to play. At the same size club in England, you have, say, a 28-year-old international with lots of caps in front of you and the chance is not there.
'Young players in France feel they have a better chance of getting a professional contract.'

That's not the case at Arsenal, though. Wenger's legendary youth policy is in some part thanks to Crevoisier, who tests the players at the academy every two years.

Crevoisier began his psychometric testing when working with French Olympic hopefuls before Gerard Houllier recruited him to work with the French FA.
'I was a player-coach at 25 when I started studying for a PhD in psychology. I developed the test and used it on everyone from the Under 15s to the Under 21s.

Coaches were happy with the football side and tactics, they understood the physical and fitness side of the game but they weren't sure about psychology and motivation.
'English players come across as more committed and aggressive in the test but their self-confidence and concentration is not as good'

There were good players who weren't performing properly and nobody could work out why. We wanted to assess their personalities, see the weaknesses and correct what we could. So I came in with this test and we ended up changing 50 per cent of the Under 18 team.
'The test is like taking a picture but if I take a picture of you in the summer and then one in the winter, you will have a different face. I discuss the results with the coach to make sure it is a true reflection of what they see daily.
'If we find the same problems, we can try to fix them. For example, if a player has a concentration problem, is no good just saying 'Concentrate'. So you give them an exercise to hit sharp passes along the ground, no mistakes allowed, and they have to concentrate.
'With 14-year-olds you ask them to do it for a minute, 18-year-olds maybe two. If you do that three times a week, you will notice the difference. I remember Steven Gerrard doing that exercise and I have never seen anyone do it as well in my life.'

In the early 1990s he was testing what was to become France's golden generation. 'Thierry Henry and Mikael Silvestre are probably the two best profiles I have ever seen and their tests were brilliant at 16,' says Crevoisier.
'I have tests for Henry, Silvestre, Nicolas Anelka, David Trezeguet and Willy Sagnol at 16, 18 and 20 and they were all excellent. When Anelka was 15, he was a little bit of a difficult personality but he had incredible self-confidence for someone of his age.'

However, his job is not without frustration. 'I worked for Tottenham's academy for two years when Damien Comolli was there,' he explains.
'I have a 10-minute rule, which means players practise a weakness at the end of training for 10 minutes. The results are brilliant.
'I remember giving the young players at Tottenham their tasks and they would do them at the end of training. The problem was that the players were not given a chance in the first team - they still aren't. What is the point of having an academy if you don't use those players?'


Crevoisier is keen to work more clubs in England but his problem is finding managers who want to put developing young players first. If Arsenal win tonight, it will be as good an advert as any.


Interesting reading...the Spurs bit especially
 

EmperorKabir

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interesting.

i'd like to think we can focus more on buying finished products and less on our academy. that's how we must take the step forward. bringing good players through should be seen as a bonus.
 

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Reminds me of the scene in Blade Runner where Deckard's trying to flush out the replicants:
One more question. You're watching a stage play. A banquet is in progress. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters. The entree consists of boiled dog...
 

StartingPrice

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It is an interesting read.
It may just explain why the French players all thought they understood better than anyone else, even their own coach (albeit an absolute buffoon of a coach:grin:), and had to be banned from International football as a punishment.

It may also explain why the Goons are a bunch of lilly-livered, Ivory-Tower, ref-whingeing bunch of light-weights, and Arch-Whinger would rather whinge about the fact that the refs don't protect his 'Young-Boys' enough, rather than actually realising he will need to develop his team to cope with the robust side of the game, and then they might finally win something again :)pray: not):hump:

The bit about the Spurs academy is of particular interest. Dan Levy has made it a lynchpin of his strategy - spend less money trying to compete for big money signings against clubs with more moneuy, fail, and end up with a team of mediocre players bolstered by some top players who are slightly past their best. I'm sure most of you can remember when that was a perfect description of a typical Spurs 11. I believe that what we will see is this: with a young team attaining success :)pray: YEAH), and some of whom came through the ranks (kinda), 'Arry, a manager who was always more than happy to give youth it's head, can start to bring them through with less 'urgency' (and, therefore, less pressure), and thereforre capitalise on all of the hard-work of folk like Inglethorpe. They ain't at the club for nuffin':wink: The key, for me, is in the job description of Tim Sherwood, managing the younglins to work effectively as a unit, through their early development, so that this can be transferred straight into the first team, etc.
And, as someone said, maybe we have adopted the innovations mentioned, despite the removal of Damien Comolli:shrug:
 

Bill_Oddie

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Is it wrong that my face is largely the same regardless of what season it is?

Besides, I have always placed more faith in his near-namesake Mr Corvoisier.
 

guate

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Arse Whinger has had 12-15 years of continuity at Arse anal whilst 'Arry, bless his cotton socks, has only had two. Give him a few more years and I'm sure we'll see our academy players being involved more with the first team than at present.
 

worcestersauce

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How many arsenal 14 year olds make it to their first team then? Don't forget that arsene wenger had all his success with players that he didn't have as kids(nothing unsavoury intended)
I've read some bollox in my time but get youngsters to practice and work on their weakness for ten minutes after training is not about psychology it's about coaching; is it not?
Coaching is what Garteh Bale and Theo Walcott got at Southampton and that is the basis of their future development; does the fact that though both are good, Bale is better, prove that our youth system is better or just that Bale is better, or perhaps both?
I read Swiss psychologist and I see snake oil salesman, without wishing to revert to stereotypes that is classic French behaviour, it sometimes seems the entire nation wants to indulge in quasi interlectual naval gazing trying to understand humankind's inner angst, I suspect the French kids want to analyze why they want the ball and agonize over the definitive basis of this desire to have the ball whereas the English just want the fucking ball to kick it!!
It's only a game after all!
 

Zimmy

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So if you've got the new Pele on your hands but he's as thick as pig shit you'd let him go?

WALOB
 

Zimmy

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'Wenger's legendary youth policy'

Oh do f*ck off, their academy has produced two good players since he's been there and you could argue that Cole was already on his way up before Wenger arrived.
 

worcestersauce

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'Wenger's legendary youth policy'

Oh do f*ck off, their academy has produced two good players since he's been there and you could argue that Cole was already on his way up before Wenger arrived.

Who's the other one?
 

TheChosenOne

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I know plenty of lads from Cheshunt and Enfield who are mates with my son who were taken on by Arsenal in their youth but never got a look in with the Arsenal French imports.
 

Stavrogin

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OK I'll give you that one. potentially:)

And he was signed from Luton, wasn't he?

So he must already have been a talent.

edit: Just seen he transferred aged 9 - so fair enough, yet he still must have been flagged as a significant prospect at that stage.
 

Pringle

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WALOB. How many of Arsenals legendary youth players have come through? Yeah its more than ours but it aint many thats for sure! For the past 5 years they have been playing their kids in the carling cup but how many are now regulars who started at Arsenal? Answer = Wilshere. Gibbs looks to be a good one for the future, but the rest were brought in ie Clichy, Fabregas, Walcott. The rest have now been sent off to the lower divisions to find their careers.
 

DogsOfWar

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How many arsenal 14 year olds make it to their first team then? Don't forget that arsene wenger had all his success with players that he didn't have as kids(nothing unsavoury intended)
I've read some bollox in my time but get youngsters to practice and work on their weakness for ten minutes after training is not about psychology it's about coaching; is it not?
Coaching is what Garteh Bale and Theo Walcott got at Southampton and that is the basis of their future development; does the fact that though both are good, Bale is better, prove that our youth system is better or just that Bale is better, or perhaps both?
I read Swiss psychologist and I see snake oil salesman, without wishing to revert to stereotypes that is classic French behaviour, it sometimes seems the entire nation wants to indulge in quasi interlectual naval gazing trying to understand humankind's inner angst, I suspect the French kids want to analyze why they want the ball and agonize over the definitive basis of this desire to have the ball whereas the English just want the fucking ball to kick it!!
It's only a game after all!

I don't think that 'analysis' is entirely fair.

Psychologists do have a habit of disappearing up their own arses sometimes but a basic psychological profile is useful in any walk of life.

Even in football a manager needs to know a player isn't a bottler, that if he comes up against a top team or top player that he'll have the self-confidence to take them on.

He needs to know if a player is a sunshine player, good at the start of the season but disappears around January time when it's a trip up to the North-East in the snow.

He also needs to know if he has the league mentality mindset, where he keeps up a high level of performance week in week out, or whether he just ups it for the big games.

If you can tell this at the age of 16 then it probably saves a club a lot of time and money in the future.
 

worcestersauce

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I don't think that 'analysis' is entirely fair.

Psychologists do have a habit of disappearing up their own arses sometimes but a basic psychological profile is useful in any walk of life.

Even in football a manager needs to know a player isn't a bottler, that if he comes up against a top team or top player that he'll have the self-confidence to take them on.

He needs to know if a player is a sunshine player, good at the start of the season but disappears around January time when it's a trip up to the North-East in the snow.

He also needs to know if he has the league mentality mindset, where he keeps up a high level of performance week in week out, or whether he just ups it for the big games.

If you can tell this at the age of 16 then it probably saves a club a lot of time and money in the future.

Yes but you soon get to know the nature of your young players you don't need a swiss psychologist with a multiple choice notepad for that, you need a coach who works with the players.
I'm still not sure it's been that successful with arsenal anyway perhaps you can have all the right personality traits but can't run fast enough, can't jump high enough and can't kick a ball hard enough, soon enough or in the right direction which no multiple choice exercise is going to pick up.
A major French company once actually caused uproar by recruiting people based on their qualifications and experience but not giving them handwriting tests, this is something that is apparently universal in France and it's not to check the neatness it's to allow a handwriting expert to study and give a personality report based on it, effectively give the ok to employ or not based on a written application, seems a bit far fetched to me.
 
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