Most Improved Player 2014/15, Kane Aside

[SteveH]

I think this thread is suffering from end of season blues.
If you had asked the same question a couple of months ago it would have been more enthused.

 

[dontcallme]

Rose for me.

I always thought he was a good player but it seemed he wasn't willing to accept being a squad player. Seems he was right even if his method wasn't.

For me, Rose has gone from a good player to an excellent left back. I've been really impressed with him this season.

Mason has risen through the ranks the most but that isn't the same as him improving the most.

 

[Shea]

Scored a goal without a penalty. #winning

Clearly Taost though

But also missed a penalty which had previously been his saving grace.......

I assumed it was because his hair is much improved this season

 

[THFCSPURS19]

a painful indictment of our season but its Danny Rose by a long distance

Why?

 

[Main Man]

I thought Davies would be a clear upgrade on Rose when we bought him and I still think that to be true.

However, Rose has responded to the competition well and deserves all the plaudits being thrown his way right now.

The recent link to Man City is a bit OTT though, even if I did flog him to them on FM.

 

[yido_number1]

Voted for Danny Rose but it could easily have been Mason or (first half of the season) Chadli. Mason has come out of no where and been decent for the most part. Chadli first half of the season form was excellent his goals and assist contribution was also very good. Second half of the season after his dad died not so great.

Rose has improved massively and is a real driving force on that side. Unfortunately every bit as much as Rose has improved Walker has regressed to being terrible.

 

[Shea]

Firstly Obviously Kane is the no.1 but as this thread takes that for granted and asks for the best of the rest so to speak it's quite an interesting debate I feel

I think there are three main candidates personally

Rose, Mason and Bentaleb

I'm a little surprised that Rose has ran away with it - not that he doesn't deserve to win the poll, I just feel the other two should be closer to him in terms of the voting

I think the reason Rose has ran away with it is possible because his recent form has been relatively good while Mason and Bentaleb have dropped off somewhat - so recent memories are influencing the vote rather than judging off the whole season compared to last year

I think it should be taken in to account that Rose made his debut for us some time ago and has already been an established LB in the EPL during a successful loan spell with Sunderland so in that respect his baseline was high so room for improvement not as great

Bentaleb was getting games last year under Sherwood but largely this did not meet fans approval and he was labelled Tim's bastard son and many were crying out for Capoue and stating how much better he is than young Bentaleb and how Bentaleb playing is to the determent of the team.

Now even if he is not playing at his best in recent weeks it's worth nothing that he really did step up this season and for a spell looked drop draw and has shown plenty of potential to suggest he can be a star in the future.

During the last year he's also played in a World Cup and an ACN

A big year for Nabil and certainly one that represents a lot of improvement (personally he got my vote)

Mason too, this time last year he was a forgotten man. Loan after loan at lower level clubs and none of them overly successful. A decent preseason under Poch may have indicated he would be getting his chance but still his rise to the first team has been rapid and now he's been capped by England

A huge year too for Mason, again even if he has been off form in recent weeks and made a bit of a scapegoat (labelled average by fans) he has had a very very good season and for a time looked a very capable EPL CM

He may not be what we need as a first team starter right now, he may be better suited to a stronger 3 man midfield or be better used in rotation for a more senior CM captain type player next season but he (like Bentaleb) has shown a lot of potential and has had a very big year showing plenty of improvement

I will say however I agree with Rose being the top pick - even if I didn't vote for him - because this time last year he was considered the weak link in our team and we all wanted to upgrade on him. He's responded very well to the competition of having a new LB brought to the club much like Lennon did when we signed Bentley

He's still a bit suspect positionally at times (I blame lack of support from the attacking L player personally) and the one thing I feel he really needs to improve is his defending of crosses and balls in to the box from the wing but over all for some time now he has been one of our better players both in attack and defense and has really shown his worth

I think it's close between the 3. More than happy for Rose to get the recognition but I feel the other two are being over looked and blamed for some of the teams overall poor form in recent weeks/month when both have had excellent years and improved a great deal

 

[Grey Fox]

Probably going to get a load of disagrees here , but I think there is a bit of " the Emperor's clothes" going on here with Rose. Yes he has improved a bit on last season and this could be down to having Davies as competition, but to say he is one of the best LB in the premier is just crazy.
please check how many goals we have conceded this season and how many of those have been down to Rose not being where he should be. Next time we lose a goal from an advanced position just check where Rose is and 9 times out of 10 he is somewhere between the half way line and our penalty box.
I will even put to you that the reason that Bentalab and Vertonghen's form looks iffy at time is they both have to cover for Rose most of the time and end up leaving gaps eleswhere.

Go on just watch where he is next time we concede.

I would actually go with Mason or Dier, but probably Dier because of the position he plays in is one that has the greater risk of being exposed and for his age pkays with a lot of maturity

 

[Tel Boy]

Has Rose actually improved or just rediscovered the form he had a couple of years ago? Remember he was one of Sunderlands players of the year when he spent the season on loan there.

In comparison to last season he looks a different player, but he did have a terrible season last year.

The youngster I am most excited by is Dier, he could go on to be a really good player for us. Couldn't say if he has improved as I didn't see anything of him in Portugal.

The player who has won me over this season is Bentaleb. Didn't think much of him when Sherwood introduced him to the team, but this year he has shown real heart and leadership qualities as well as improving as a player.

 

[spursgirls]

It has to be Rose, but an honourable mention goes to Mason and Bentaleb.

 

[IGSpur]

Next time we lose a goal from an advanced position just check where Rose is and 9 times out of 10 he is somewhere between the half way line and our penalty box.

Where do you expect Rose and Walker to be when we're in an advanced position. He should be up supporting the attack. Offering an option on the wing or running in behind. He can't be blamed if the attack loses the posession from being tackles or a misplaced pass. Rose isn't the Flash if they counter he will try and get back but obviously the left back position will be open. The best way to stop this is getting better attackers who dont lose the ball or tell Rose not to support the attack then he wont be caught out of position

 

[Blackcanary]

Probably going to get a load of disagrees here , but I think there is a bit of " the Emperor's clothes" going on here with Rose. Yes he has improved a bit on last season and this could be down to having Davies as competition, but to say he is one of the best LB in the premier is just crazy.
please check how many goals we have conceded this season and how many of those have been down to Rose not being where he should be. Next time we lose a goal from an advanced position just check where Rose is and 9 times out of 10 he is somewhere between the half way line and our penalty box.
I will even put to you that the reason that Bentalab and Vertonghen's form looks iffy at time is they both have to cover for Rose most of the time and end up leaving gaps eleswhere.

Go on just watch where he is next time we concede.

I would actually go with Mason or Dier, but probably Dier because of the position he plays in is one that has the greater risk of being exposed and for his age pkays with a lot of maturity

I think it's unfair to blame that on Rose - one of the features of Poch's style is that the full-backs press high up the pitch. The consequence of that is that it leaves them stranded sometimes when we get hit on the counter. The flaw is in the battle to find a balance to stop us being so vulnerable in this way.

 

[Grey Fox]

Where do you expect Rose and Walker to be when we're in an advanced position. He should be up supporting the attack. Offering an option on the wing or running in behind. He can't be blamed if the attack loses the posession from being tackles or a misplaced pass. Rose isn't the Flash if they counter he will try and get back but obviously the left back position will be open. The best way to stop this is getting better attackers who dont lose the ball or tell Rose not to support the attack then he wont be caught out of position

The difference is that Walker gets back and Rose ambles back as if defending is his secondary purpose. He would probably be better off playing futher forward and if we played with a back 3. Just don't think he is a natural defender

 

[IGSpur]

The difference is that Walker gets back and Rose ambles back as if defending is his secondary purpose. He would probably be better off playing futher forward and if we played with a back 3. Just don't think he is a natural defender

I don't know I hear a lot of people criticise Walker for being out of position a lot too.
Think Rose has shown as much desire as anyone recently to work.

And he isn't a natural defender he only started when he was 20 I think. He has made greater improvements since then than Walker has

 

[jurgen]

Never mind most improved player, aside from Harry Kane, there's an argument that Rose has been our best attacker

 

[Shadydan]

Danny Rose, one of our best players this season.

 

[double0]

It has to be Mason. He's basically came from squad forder to first team regular
2.Bentaleb
3.Rose

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The difference is that Walker gets back and Rose ambles back as if defending is his secondary purpose. He would probably be better off playing futher forward and if we played with a back 3. Just don't think he is a natural defender

I think there is also a part of his mind which categorises him as a midfielder/attacker, either now or subconsciously when projecting himself into the future. Less now than last season and the season before, but he still acts/makes choices as if he is an midfielder. Maybe he wants to do a Bale.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The difference is that Walker gets back and Rose ambles back as if defending is his secondary purpose. He would probably be better off playing futher forward and if we played with a back 3. Just don't think he is a natural defender

Rose doesn't do that anymore. Last season, it infuriated me but I can't remember Rose ambling back this season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Probably going to get a load of disagrees here , but I think there is a bit of " the Emperor's clothes" going on here with Rose. Yes he has improved a bit on last season and this could be down to having Davies as competition, but to say he is one of the best LB in the premier is just crazy.
please check how many goals we have conceded this season and how many of those have been down to Rose not being where he should be. Next time we lose a goal from an advanced position just check where Rose is and 9 times out of 10 he is somewhere between the half way line and our penalty box.
I will even put to you that the reason that Bentalab and Vertonghen's form looks iffy at time is they both have to cover for Rose most of the time and end up leaving gaps eleswhere.

Go on just watch where he is next time we concede.

I would actually go with Mason or Dier, but probably Dier because of the position he plays in is one that has the greater risk of being exposed and for his age pkays with a lot of maturity

1. Rose has not been responsible for many of our goals conceded and his attacking positioning is part of the modern full-back.
2. Blaming Bentaleb and Vertonghen's poor form on Rose is ridiculous, bordering on scapegoating-and part of CM's job is to cover full-backs, which isn't happening but that's why we need a CDM. Rose's job is to get forward.
3. If we are being counter-attacked, Rose is likely to be out of position, but that's not his fault- so your request for us to see where he is when we conceded just doesn't work.
4. I remember you being a strong Rose-hater so I think you're stuck in last-season mode