Next Manager Watch

[RJR1949]

Someone (sorry - there are too many posts in this thread to search back) said that Levy was risk averse.

Well in not appointing Poch he has taken a huge risk.

Let's hope it pays off.

 

[RJR1949]

They don't really care about the football side of things. It's a good money spinner of course, but at this point I'm certain that the board wants to use the stadium for concerts, NFL and boxing just as much, and would do if they could actually get away with it. Kane will go and we'll be fighting relegation next season

Under its planning permission, the club is only allowed to host 16 non-Spurs events a year, of which not more than 6 can be music concerts.

The other events help but the purpose of the club and the overwhelming source of its revenues is the football.

 

[HodisGawd]

So the state of play.

- screwed up with Pochettino, Slot and looks like Nagelsmann

- big Ange is the great hope for us now or we end up in relegation Brendan Rogers land. Maybe Potter to redeem his career.

owner: missing

Chairman: Narcissistic ego man who couldn’t built a winning football team if his life depended on it but won’t delegate

board: AWOL

Best Player: either gets sold or leaves for free next summer

Club: laughed at by almost everyone, a Millwall supporting mate was taking the piss the other day, I mean come on.

Fans: bunch of whinging, entitled, reactive snowflakes who cry themselves to sleep whenever a fan from another team takes the piss out of them. Even Millwall, I mean come on.

 

[Keith Morris]

The thing that I can’t understand - despite views on Levy and his faults and his mistakes, surely as a businessman he wants the most lucrative and successful and sustainable Tottenham and that ultimately lives or dies out on the pitch. If you look at his appointments despite getting a number wrong - Santini manager of France, AVB seen as a top young coach, same with De boer and Poch, Conte and Mourinho arguably world class, he has always seemed to aim for the stars, the Nuno episode was weird and now again I can’t understand why he would not go for a Naglesman or Gallardo or even an Enrique, to be potentially considering Mason or Ange seems to buck the trend and not in a good sense. I just hope what we are hearing is the shambles of a poor governance and diligence and that we land something we can all support and understand

 

[Farmdog]

Under its planning permission, the club is only allowed to host 16 non-Spurs events a year, of which not more than 6 can be music concerts.

The other events help but the purpose of the club and the overwhelming source of its revenues is the football.

That is correct to a point, it’s hospitality forays in hosting teams at their training facilities and the hotels built beside the stadium are an additional inclusion that increases the investment into those 16 extra events. I think the go kart events are external to those events also (ENIC found a very lucrative loophole with that one), so the proportion of revenue from football, whilst the major proportion of revenue, will continue to lessen over the years.

 

[robotsonic]

That is correct to a point, it’s hospitality forays in hosting teams at their training facilities and the hotels built beside the stadium are an additional inclusion that increases the investment into those 16 extra events. I think the go kart events are external to those events also (ENIC found a very lucrative loophole with that one), so the proportion of revenue from football, whilst the major proportion of revenue, will continue to lessen over the years.

Is this not just wanting to make it sound like the club making more money is a bad thing?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

They don't really care about the football side of things. It's a good money spinner of course, but at this point I'm certain that the board wants to use the stadium for concerts, NFL and boxing just as much, and would do if they could actually get away with it. Kane will go and we'll be fighting relegation next season

The economics of relying on concerts etc do not add up, all gate receipts from Spurs matches goes to the club & broadcasting revenue & PL prize money, gate receipts from e.g NFL go to the NFL not Spurs, we make money on catering but no way can it compare to PL match revenue.
Same with concerts , Spurs will make some money but Beyonce and her production company want to make a load of money for themselves .

PS In the last accounts non-football events like NFL, Rugby etc at the stadium contributed £32 million out of total income of £444 million, £32 mil just about pays the wages of Kane , Son and a couple of others.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Regarding Potter.

I think we'd be a very well coached team. And with Kane it may make Potter's style more ruthless.

My issue with Potter though is he's not ruthlesss.

!And this squad needs someone who can slimline the squad and get players out the door.

The way around that may be to get the DOF to deal with it and just let Potter coach.

I’ve also never really been that wild about his personality. He doesn’t seem to have much charisma or the type of manager that would galvanise the squad. Tactically he seems pretty good although personally I always thought he was always overrated, but for us now I think he’d be a really bad appointment. And aside from all that who knows where his head is at after Chelsea, that sort of thing is bound to leave a mark imo.

 

[jpascavitz]

Some of the takes I've seen over the past weekend (mostly on Twitter as usual) have just been the worst/most toxic I've seen since becoming a fan. We all know/preach about the problems in the hierarchy of this club, the bloat of the squad, but for the sake of this thread:

I highly encourage everyone to focus on what MOST have said they wanted from the next manager:
• Attacking Football
• Integration of Youth Players
• Someone to Change the Negative Culture WITHIN squad

Now let's look at the odds list, and keep in mind that 100% of the list below are RISKS, they have risks, and will be risks if appointed for their own reasons. I'm strictly talking about the principals above and whether or not they tick them, which is subjective:

3/3s:
• Postecoglou
• Enrique
• Xabi Alonso

2/3s:
• Nagelsmann - Would he change negative culture? Reports of mixed feelings within squad at Bayern
• Amorim - Would he play attacking enough football?
• Rodgers - Would he change the culture within the squad?
• Potter - Reports of Chelsea squad not taking him seriously or trusting him
• Van Nistelrooy - Reports he quit due to lack of management support but also of player revolt

1/3s:
• Lopetegui - Tough call due to financial situation at Wolves, but many supporters saying he's already sulking about and playing understrength sides. On fence of 1/3 - 2/3
• Tuchel - Would he change the culture in our squad? Lack of integration of youth players

So after making this list I can see where our current shortlist comes from:
• Ange, Enrique, Xabi Alonso can probably all have support behind the three bullet points but carry their OWN risks due to their experiences.
• Throw in a few of the 2/3s: Nagelsmann could have "attitude" issues, Potter - does he have the personality? Amorim would cost money and would he be attacking enough?

Where it goes, no one knows but just trying to focus on the actual managers and how they match to the points our supporters want - no one is a perfect fit but I hope that they at least line up with our values at the end of the day.

 

[Snarfalicious]

As long as Gallardo can say “I’ll never play that fucker” his English should be sufficient.

 

[piedpiper]

I think our next manager search is just about over..... Chelsea who fired Potter after we fired Conte have just announced theirs. I'm super excited.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I’ve also never really been that wild about his personality. He doesn’t seem to have much charisma or the type of manager that would galvanise the squad. Tactically he seems pretty good although personally I always thought he was always overrated, but for us now I think he’d be a really bad appointment. And aside from all that who knows where his head is at after Chelsea, that sort of thing is bound to leave a mark imo.

Probably just a media thing; fella has a masters in leadership – not sure what that means, but I'd expect him to be pretty decent in the dressing room if that was worth anything

 

[greaves]

The thing that I can’t understand - despite views on Levy and his faults and his mistakes, surely as a businessman he wants the most lucrative and successful and sustainable Tottenham and that ultimately lives or dies out on the pitch. If you look at his appointments despite getting a number wrong - Santini manager of France, AVB seen as a top young coach, same with De boer and Poch, Conte and Mourinho arguably world class, he has always seemed to aim for the stars, the Nuno episode was weird and now again I can’t understand why he would not go for a Naglesman or Gallardo or even an Enrique, to be potentially considering Mason or Ange seems to buck the trend and not in a good sense. I just hope what we are hearing is the shambles of a poor governance and diligence and that we land something we can all support and understand

Who hired Nuno? Was it Paratici? Apologies. Too many managers/prime ministers ago for me to remember...

 

[Yiddo1982]

Always worth remembering that we pay the highest ticket prices in the world. We deserve better.

 

[Keith Morris]

Who hired Nuno? Was it Paratici? Apologies. Too many managers/prime ministers ago for me to remember...

It was Paratici but ultimately Levy and so despite all the feelings and thoughts about him and his motives….surely he wants Tottenham to be an economic success and knows that is the footballing side. I dunno I think he’s made monumental fuck ups least of all firing Poch but he always seems to aim for top level coaches include in there Juande Ramos who had been killing it with Seville. The current dilemma and lack of ambition seem strange

 

[only1waddle]

The thing that I can’t understand - despite views on Levy and his faults and his mistakes, surely as a businessman he wants the most lucrative and successful and sustainable Tottenham and that ultimately lives or dies out on the pitch. If you look at his appointments despite getting a number wrong - Santini manager of France, AVB seen as a top young coach, same with De boer and Poch, Conte and Mourinho arguably world class, he has always seemed to aim for the stars, the Nuno episode was weird and now again I can’t understand why he would not go for a Naglesman or Gallardo or even an Enrique, to be potentially considering Mason or Ange seems to buck the trend and not in a good sense. I just hope what we are hearing is the shambles of a poor governance and diligence and that we land something we can all support and understand

I suspect the way Brighton/Brentford are run have turned his head, more club control over signings, not after an all out DOF, less managerial input (assume Nagelsmann doesn't like that vision) which way is the wind blowing this week?
Levy has his head turned by cost affective squad building that overachieves, wild stab in the dark says we don't implement it properly.

 

[Frank Blank]

I think our next manager search is just about over..... Chelsea who fired Potter after we fired Conte have just announced theirs. I'm super excited.

I'm about as excited as you are.

 

[Tezza1978]

Yea we are getting to a point where someone like him would be one of the better options (assuming he plays more the 4-3-3 high pressing Brentford played in the championship and if he cuts out the long throws etc) but good coach, works on a budget, develops young players and certainly exactly the type of positive character to galvanise the club, but don’t think the majority of fans would be too excited by it and I’d be concerned about his style of play not being quite what we are looking for but I’d probably rather him over day Rodgers or Potter just about.

I have some minor concerns about him but would take him all day long over Rodgers, Potter or Ange.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Regarding Potter.

I think we'd be a very well coached team. And with Kane it may make Potter's style more ruthless.

My issue with Potter though is he's not ruthlesss.

!And this squad needs someone who can slimline the squad and get players out the door.

The way around that may be to get the DOF to deal with it and just let Potter coach.

Are Brighton a better side since Potter left, and will Chelsea now be a better side without him?

Potter would be a disaster.

 

[greaves]

It was Paratici but ultimately Levy and so despite all the feelings and thoughts about him and his motives….surely he wants Tottenham to be an economic success and knows that is the footballing side. I dunno I think he’s made monumental fuck ups least of all firing Poch but he always seems to aim for top level coaches include in there Juande Ramos who had been killing it with Seville. The current dilemma and lack of ambition seem strange

Yep
Poch was eyeing the exit and generally on a downer. In that limited sense the sacking made sense. But what seems to have caused this was lack of backing.