Next Manager Watch

[THE SPURSBOY]

My first reaction to Arne Slot was "never heard of him", but having researched him I can understand why Spurs are interested in him. He plays attacking, positive football and is highly respected in Holland and won the Eredivisie manager of the year award last season beating Ten Haag at Ajax.

as long as he brings Xavi Simmons with him as part of the deal

 

[HotSprut]

Conceição basically plays Jose football from 10+ years ago. Same principles and tactics.

I got banned from the transfer section for asking a similarly stupid question, but I can't resist; Did you copy+paste his name or are you just that good?

 

[Trix]

I got banned from the transfer section for asking a similarly stupid question, but I can't resist; Did you copy+paste his name or are you just that good?

I asked Herc to type Conceited and just C&P his reply.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

You’ve let yourself fall so in love with this guy. He’s spent most of his career at one club in the Argentine league. A club that he essentially got time to rebuild in his image. Time he most likely wouldn’t get in the more competitive PL.

He’s an interesting curiosity for me. Obviously has a charisma and strong idea for how he plays the game, but translating it to European football is by no means guaranteed.

For all the time he spent at River he actually won the Copa Sudamericana and the Copa Libertadores in his first two years being at the club 2014/15, that was a monumental achievement. That isn't a long time to build a team. I think the fact he spent so many years there and constantly rebuilt that team whilst winning numerous trophies is a big plus point as IMO we should be looking for a project manager now not another win now manager. Even tho he could probably be categorised as that as well. Worth noting he also won the league with Nacional in his first season as manager before moving to River so he isn't just a one team guy even tho yes you are right most of his management career has been at one club. Also he played in Europe so he will have some understanding of the game, its not as if he's never experienced life outside of South America.

Thing is every manager we are looking at is a risk. Negalsmann is just as much a "curiosity" as you put it. He's the youngest manager to ever have managed BM but taking a step back what actually makes him any more likely to succeed here or better suited then Gallardo? And why is he a better option? His biggest achievement imo is actually what he did with Hoffenheim rather BM or Liepzig. Much like Gallardo, there is no reason to assume his tactics will translate to the PL after all the Bundesliga is very different tactically to the PL and there are plenty of managers who only suit the league they developed in. The idea that its comparable to the PL is not really based on anything other then it being fast. Teams on the whole are given a lot more space then they would here. Obviously you could say there is precedent to assume he will with Klopp and Tuchel but both of them were far more experienced then he is whilst also walking into better set up clubs and also what works for one person doesn't mean it will work for another. I think one of the big reasons people admire him so much is to do with his age, if he was 10 years older with the same achievements im not entirely convinced he would be so coveted .

That doesn't mean I think he's a bad manager, on the contrary I would very much welcome him here and he would be right near the top of my list and was back in 2021 but I think just like Gallardo there are question marks around him and personally I don't see him as a clear favourite. At least not to the degree that a lot of fans are making him out to be.

Ultimately there is no one manager who is guaranteed to succeed here. All we can do is look into the history of all the option's and make an educated choice based on what they have done, how they did it and how we think they would fit in our club. Yes i am "in love with" Gallardo but that is because looking at his history, his personality, what he has achieved and how he achieved it for me makes him the stand out available candidate. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't welcome JN with open arms for example. Will Gallardo come here and click, maybe, maybe not but the same goes for JN or Enrique or whoever. Realistically, if one is concerned about a manager adapting then you have to pick one with PL experience, everyone else is a risk. There are no guarantees in football especially with Levy around.

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[leray]

Jose's football at Porto and in his first stint at Chelsea, is not the same as the football he plays now or did with us.

Time flies, more like 20 years ago, then. It will be 20 years next year after his Porto CL run.

 

[chas vs dave]

as long as he brings Xavi Simmons with him as part of the deal

Why would the feyenoord manager bring a psv player with him?

 

[Freddie]

Jose's football at Porto and in his first stint at Chelsea, is not the same as the football he plays now or did with us.

That's 20+ years ago (which is more than 10 years ago so you're technically right)

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Conceição basically plays Jose football from 10+ years ago. Same principles and tactics.

Yep we need to steer clear of him.

 

[Trix]

Time flies, more like 20 years ago, then. It will be 20 years next year after his Porto CL run.

Yeah but it wasn't exactly boring football at Madrid either. I know he had world class players but he wasn't this pragmatic until his second Chelsea stint imo.

 

[Zino]

I know there are many fans in here that want different managers on the list, and it's a very good list to choose from.
I've gone fully into the Nagelsmann list and think he'd be an incredible manager to build something with us along with a DOF he works well with.

This is a video that cements my feeling of wanting him to manage us. He is a very clever manager who shows a lot of passion for the clubs he's managing and also in the video looks like he gets on well with the fans too. It was a good watch in my opinion and I'm praying we can get him to sign on a pre contract to start fresh in the summer.

Like most others though, there are some great options if he doesn't come but I just hope we show initiative. I can't be dealing with the nuno fiasco search again.

...sorry if this video has already been posted, been hard trying to keep up with this thread at times.

 

[chas vs dave]

Yeah but it wasn't exactly boring football at Madrid either. I know he had world class players but he wasn't this pragmatic until his second Chelsea stint imo.

Early mourinho teams were only deemed boring because they destroyed teams. They were ruthless.

 

[Trix]

Early mourinho teams were only deemed boring because they destroyed teams. They were ruthless.

Indeed, and full of attacking players. It's actually strange just how much he changed over the years.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Yeah but it wasn't exactly boring football at Madrid either. I know he had world class players but he wasn't this pragmatic until his second Chelsea stint imo.

His Madrid side scored a lot of goals but were just as pragmatic as usual under Jose, Madrid fans didn't enjoy it at all.

Conceicao's porto play a fairly rigid 4-4-2 sometimes 4-3-3, some pressing but honestly as I posted the other day there are a good 10-12 managers who play much nicer football and who would be a much better fit so I hope we stay well away.

Completely agree with @rossdapep 's summary of the managers we should be looking at and the rest of the options should go in the bin, there are PLENTY of good options but no doubt we will mess this up and go with some random underwhelming bad fit option as Levy has no clue.

 

[max cady]

Well the fact he has managed a side for 8 years is a starting point for sure because it means he's willing to have a long run at something. He's also won everything there is to win in Argentina and SA. He's without doubt a very good manager, whether he can translate that across to an English side is anyone's guess but I can certainly see the attraction and why it would be worth a gamble.

I'm dubious about Gallardo, as already mentioned no experience in Europe at all. Just out of interest how many SA coaches have been successful in Prem/Europe

 

[PhezTHFC]

Does anyone genuinely believe we will have a new manager before the season is done?

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Does anyone genuinely believe we will have a new manager before the season is done?

7-10 days after the season.

 

[danielneeds]

For all the time he spent at River he actually won the Copa Sudamericana and the Copa Libertadores in his first two years being at the club 2014/15, that was a monumental achievement. That isn't a long time to build a team. I think the fact he spent so many years there and constantly rebuilt that team whilst winning numerous trophies is a big plus point as IMO we should be looking for a project manager now not another win now manager. Even tho he could probably be categorised as that as well. Worth noting he also won the league with Nacional in his first season as manager before moving to River so he isn't just a one team guy even tho yes you are right most of his management career has been at one club. Also he played in Europe so he will have some understanding of the game, its not as if he's never experienced life outside of South America.

Thing is every manager we are looking at is a risk. Negalsmann is just as much a "curiosity" as you put it. He's the youngest manager to ever have managed BM but taking a step back what actually makes him any more likely to succeed here or better suited then Gallardo? And why is he a better option? His biggest achievement imo is actually what he did with Hoffenheim rather BM or Liepzig. Much like Gallardo, there is no reason to assume his tactics will translate to the PL after all the Bundesliga is very different tactically to the PL and there are plenty of managers who only suit the league they developed in. The idea that its comparable to the PL is not really based on anything other then it being fast. Teams on the whole are given a lot more space then they would here. Obviously you could say there is precedent to assume he will with Klopp and Tuchel but both of them were far more experienced then he is whilst also walking into better set up clubs and also what works for one person doesn't mean it will work for another. I think one of the big reasons people admire him so much is to do with his age, if he was 10 years older with the same achievements im not entirely convinced he would be so coveted .

That doesn't mean I think he's a bad manager, on the contrary I would very much welcome him here and he would be right near the top of my list and was back in 2021 but I think just like Gallardo there are question marks around him and personally I don't see him as a clear favourite. At least not to the degree that a lot of fans are making him out to be.

Ultimately there is no one manager who is guaranteed to succeed here. All we can do is look into the history of all the option's and make an educated choice based on what they have done, how they did it and how we think they would fit in our club. Yes i am "in love with" Gallardo but that is because looking at his history, his personality, what he has achieved and how he achieved it for me makes him the stand out available candidate. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't welcome JN with open arms for example. Will Gallardo come here and click, maybe, maybe not but the same goes for JN or Enrique or whoever. Realistically, if one is concerned about a manager adapting then you have to pick one with PL experience, everyone else is a risk. There are no guarantees in football especially with Levy around.

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Let's take a list of Copa Sudamericana winning managers:

List of Copa Libertadores winning managers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How many have made an impact on European club football?

You simply cannot say he's not a greater risk than managers who have experience of the big five leagues of European football. SA club football is very, very different to European football, even though, as you say there are differences in those leagues, too. The football culture, the pitches, the refereeing, everything is quite different down there.

 

[PrettyColors]

Does anyone genuinely believe we will have a new manager before the season is done?

Pretty much guaranteed to be no but honestly that’s ok.

I’m not fussed about the date, as long as we are truly doing due diligence and have serious interest in candidates by June. It’s absolutely crucial that we don’t flail about with no plan like in 2021. Take your time and really come up with a strong vision for the future, have a robust shortlist of managers, and make it happen quickly.

There’s also the DoF situation (whatever happened there?) with Paratici muddying the waters. So I get it if we need to take some time to go through it all.

Simply put whatever we did in 2021 was the absolute worst process imaginable. We basically need to look at that and do the exact bloody opposite. Levy cannot fuck this up or we’ll set the club back 5 years.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

Why would the feyenoord manager bring a psv player with him?

HA HA good point (cause hes in the same country)

 

[greaves]

Why would the feyenoord manager bring a psv player with him?

Abduction.