Next Manager Watch

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

However, we are in such chaos following the Conte outburst and Paratici situation, it must be giving any potential manager of a certain level a massive red flag. Worries me who we will get. LWOS one of the guests commented that he thought there would be a management merry go round, and we would end up waiting till all the pieces stopped moving and picked up who was left.

Very fair comment, too. Real Madrid, PSG, Juventus, Milan (x2?), perhaps Chelsea, Liverpool as a long shot.

Tottenham is a big job, and will remain attractive when taken at face value, but there is going to be a scramble this summer.

 

[Beefyboy]

Yeah i know the optics are bad but in terms of us going for JN, doesn't this maybe help? If we really are going all in on him then means he can have a say in the new DoF which I would imagine would be quite a big difference maker.

It looks a bit of a mess but it always worse when it's your own club. People keep pointing to JN preferring Chelsea but they are also all over the place. All the stories of Tuchel falling out due to Boehley suggesting 434 formation. Trying to sign CR7 etc. Not sure that is any more attractive to him than us.

 

[neogenisis]

We may also be getting to the point where the best coaches wont want to work under Levy, that's a massive massive problem.

 

[Impspur1]

Yeah i know the optics are bad but in terms of us going for JN, doesn't this maybe help? If we really are going all in on him then means he can have a say in the new DoF which I would imagine would be quite a big difference maker.

It looks a bit of a mess but it always worse when it's your own club. People keep pointing to JN preferring Chelsea but they are also all over the place. All the stories of Tuchel falling out due to Boehley suggesting 434 formation. Trying to sign CR7 etc. Not sure that is any more attractive to him than us.

Difference being they can literally throw money at the problem, we can’t/don’t/won’t

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We may also be getting to the point where the best coaches wont want to work under Levy, that's a massive massive problem.

We're probably there aren't we? 20 years of the same thing basically

 

[Spursfan1414]

We may also be getting to the point where the best coaches wont want to work under Levy, that's a massive massive problem.

The best coaches will always want to coach in the best league.

If 2-3 of the other top sides were looking for new managers we might be in trouble but as is, only Chelsea will be considering going into the market this summer.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

To be fair, that “reason” rarely has anything to do with a manager’s ability.

When you have that much turnover, and that many managers who go on to other jobs, it’s a systemic problem, not a management problem.

The fact is appointing managers is as much of a gamble as signing players. There are so many variables that can determine whether they are deemed a success. It’s just not an exact science.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I'm genuinely lost for words with what is currently happening at the club. Never thought I would say that with DL in charge as it's kind of expected, but not to anywhere near this level. The club is basically in turmoil internally.

As has been stated already, all eggs are in Nagelsmann's basket so if he turns us down, let Nuno Mk II manager search commence. I'll openly admit, I knew little to nothing about Slot until he was mentioned the other week. After doing some digging and reading some very good posts on here re his approach to the game etc, I would be going all out for him if Nagelsmann rejects us.

The Paratici farce is just another distraction the club don't need currently. As Trix stated, I can see why he's still with us, I've stated several times the fantastic work he's done behind the scenes, so I guess it isn't completely unrealistic that he stayed under a different title. But for the club to be SURPRISED is hilarious because if we as fans aren't, then the statement last night is extremely worrying. It just seems to be the Tottenham way that we have no contingency plan! Conte was never extending beyond the season, I passed that on behind the scenes months ago yet the club are only now looking at who the next manager should be. The only positive I'll say is from the names given, there is at least a consistency between them all and their approach to the game.

Let's see what happens, but I've not known it to be this bad behind the scenes.

Thanks for the update mate, I'm choosing to take this as a positive from this

The club is always a mess internally on the football side with Levy at the helm that is nothing new although this is new levels of mess even by his standards and as you say we never have any contingency plan and are surprised when things go wrong which is as you say hilarious as all of us can see it as fans so why can't they?

We just have to hope we get lucky with whatever scattergun decision they make just like we did when we got Poch when Levy was actually pining for Van Gaal. They've got the last 3 appointments wrong, the law of averages says they're bound to get one right eventually even if there is no actual plan or direction behind the scenes, as the saying goes "throw enough crap at the wall eventually it'll stick".

You just have to laugh at the moment as aside from big protests we can't influence this so if people aren't willing to consistently do that then the best next case is we get lucky with whoever their next scattergun random manager appointment is if Nagglesman isn't possible.

 

[Dr Know]

Do you get the sense, as I believe Matt Law was alluding to, that Levy is getting increasingly scrutinised and that he's becoming more isolated - whatever that actually means in the context of being Chairman?

Levy is the most “thick skinned” creature to ever live. Nothing anyone says or does affects him.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

We may also be getting to the point where the best coaches wont want to work under Levy, that's a massive massive problem.

I think Conte blew it up. We can argue that Jose is past it and all but Conte has been recently successful. I think coaches may think well if Conte won’t make it work who will. Even if you take the flaws of Conte he is still regarded as a world class manager.

Jose we could kind of sweep under the rug, we can’t with Conte.

 

[wrd]

Let's be honest, if we were all emotionally stable we probably wouldn't spend as much time on a football forum as we do. So I think with the noises we're hearing from those with inside info, the press, the actual events that are unfolding such as Paratici global ban, Conte leaving, it's fair to say that some feelings of impending doom and anxiety might be justified on this occasion. I think though that instead of feeling negative about this news that actually we should be positive. Things always have to get to the point of terrible for real change to happen, when you meander along the path of "things aren't being great but they could be worse" then people accept things as they are because it's ticking over. You have to push to the extremes for change and right now we're near an extreme of things going terribly and so this is our best chance to see a reversal of fortune.

It's understandable the fear of the unknown that there's a possibility that this time we've pushed it too far and the club might tip over entirely but I'm really confident that we couldn't even do that if we actively tried now because of the great work of the infrastructure, we've laid down the groundwork which means we have that cushion that stops us from collapsing completely and gives us that cushion to bounce off of and propel us upwards.

Things had to get to significantly worse for change, this is what we wanted. Enjoy it because if you don't, you'll convince yourself that you're okay with mediocrity because it's nice and safe.

 

[olithfc]

What’s clear is if Levy is only just looking for managerial candidates, he certainly doesn’t have any replacement Director of Football candidates

 

[Russ1201]

Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but Ange is out of contract at the end of the season.

I'm sure Levy will know about this a levy special.

 

[Stavrogin]

There definitely feels like an element of journalists sticking the boot in, but I wish we’d stop giving them free hits.

What they are forgetting that come the summer we will pretty much be the most attractive opening on the market (if Ancelotti stays at Madrid). Our pull is big, even if a lot of people don’t want to admit it.

People think the call is coming from inside the house. Sure, it's a bit messy at the moment. But look outside, those m*f*ers think they're Jimmy Carr and they also have pitchforks.

Liverpool fans would be printing t-shirts right now. I'm not saying we should do that or that Paratici mustn't go but there must come a time when you stop moping about and drag yourself out of that pit of festering despair.

Discuss the new manager, the future, new owners, whether Hojblerg has the mentality but not the ability; but stop saying "It's a circus." "total shit-show". "It's a circus." "total shit-show"."It's a circus." "total shit-show". "No one will ever love me!" "It's a circus." "total shit-show"

 

[Beefyboy]

Difference being they can literally throw money at the problem, we can’t/don’t/won’t

We have spent a lot in the last 2 years. Especially when you consider we have struggled to sell and have some if our biggest recent signings out on subsidised loans.

Nagglesmann Isn't a Conte type who needs crazy money spending by the looks of his career, I don't really see budgets being an issue for him.

 

[YB123]

It’s starting to get to that point where he’s pushed into a corner and he’ll turn to Poch to bail him out.

I know it’s been said we won’t go for him but the situation is changing daily with more pressure being put on Levy, not just from fans but now the media in a huge way. He’ll either wait for it to die down, which it looks to have no sign of or he’ll panic and agree to bring Poch in.

Just said this in the Levy thread. He will overrule all now and get Poch to keep the wolves away.

 

[YB123]

We may also be getting to the point where the best coaches wont want to work under Levy, that's a massive massive problem.

Thats probably why he introduced a director of football. But you just know he will stick his nose in.

 

[NickHSpurs]

Enrique’s comments should set alarm bells ringing at the Club, he clearly doesn’t think we’re going to be competitive anytime soon and if he isn’t convinced then we may as well forget JN.

Shambles of a Club at the moment.

 

[RJR1949]

I'm genuinely lost for words with what is currently happening at the club. Never thought I would say that with DL in charge as it's kind of expected, but not to anywhere near this level. The club is basically in turmoil internally.

As has been stated already, all eggs are in Nagelsmann's basket so if he turns us down, let Nuno Mk II manager search commence. I'll openly admit, I knew little to nothing about Slot until he was mentioned the other week. After doing some digging and reading some very good posts on here re his approach to the game etc, I would be going all out for him if Nagelsmann rejects us.

The Paratici farce is just another distraction the club don't need currently. As Trix stated, I can see why he's still with us, I've stated several times the fantastic work he's done behind the scenes, so I guess it isn't completely unrealistic that he stayed under a different title. But for the club to be SURPRISED is hilarious because if we as fans aren't, then the statement last night is extremely worrying. It just seems to be the Tottenham way that we have no contingency plan! Conte was never extending beyond the season, I passed that on behind the scenes months ago yet the club are only now looking at who the next manager should be. The only positive I'll say is from the names given, there is at least a consistency between them all and their approach to the game.

Let's see what happens, but I've not known it to be this bad behind the scenes.

Last season as we walked away from the ground after beating Arsenal, I said to my son that this was a sliding door moment.

I expected that, without the Champion League money, Arsenal would have to cut back on their spending on the team, that Arsenal fans would lose patience with Arteta and his project, and that Arsenal would fade back into mid-table.

On the other hand, I expected that we would fly this season after more time to ingrain Conte Ball and more investment in the team.

How wrong was I!

To succeed, businesses, non-profits and sports teams all need to have a clarity of purpose and a shared understanding of everyone contributes towards that purpose. (Tesco had this in their glory days when everyone was focused on every little helps and thir part in achieving it.)

Brentford and Brighton have this now. We had it in spades under Bill Nicholson. We even had it for a time under Levy when the club had a clear policy of buying and developing younger players.

But now we are without any sense of how we are going to succeed. Levy talked of honouring the club’s DNA and playing attacking football but then appointed 2 defence first managers. Levy still wants to buy and develop younger players but the manager won’t play them (Spence, Starr, Devine and Skipp until forced). And while there have been some recruitment successes it is not clear how some players fit into the manager’s plans (Richarlison) and there are huge gaps (centre back).

This lack of an over-arching strategy is down to Levy. Unless it’s fixed no manager will succeed.

 

[Timberwolf]

The fact is appointing managers is as much of a gamble as signing players. There are so many variables that can determine whether they are deemed a success. It’s just not an exact science.

Yeah, even if you're a well run club with a good DoF and a coherent model, you're still at the mercy of the manager market and a good fit on paper doesn't always work out.

Southampton and Leicester were both the darlings of the PL not long ago and we were all jealous of their transfer policy and ability to punch above their weight. Then both clubs went on a dry run of signings, Rodgers ran out of steam and Hassenhuttl never took Saints up to the next level.

We're all creaming ourselves over Brighton at the moment but if De Zerbi leaves maybe the next manager, however aligned he is with the model, simply doesn't work out for some reason. Maybe their top 5 choices aren't willing to come and they end up with someone who's a bit of a gamble and slip back down the table?

Like, obviously it's better to be well run and have a coherent model, and we should absolutely be more organised behind the scenes than we currently are. But there's also a ton of luck involved with managerial appointments - who is available, who suits the club, who wants to live in London, etc. Unless you're City level and can attract an absolute world class manager like Pep, there's always a degree of randomness involved and the swings can be huge.