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[Timberwolf]

Honestly think it's similar with Poch. He worked wonders for us but when he went to the star filled PSG he didn't have the same impact. Coaches like this suit a more humble squad where they create a more family vibe. They need young players who absorb their instructions rather than older players who think they know better.

Yeah and I think that's even more true given Nagelsmann's age.

Trying to man-manage a dressing room like Bayern's when you're aged 33-35 must be an absolute nightmare. Hardly a surprise that it was Neuer and Muller who he allegedly had issues with given what they've achieved in the game.

 

[mil1lion]

Yeah I said the exact same thing at the time. Will be very silly if he can't adapt and ends up borderline unusable if we switch to a back 4 next season.

When you've got VVD and Fabinho behind you and dominate possession you can get away with playing a weak defender at full-back. We....don't have that level of cover.

Porro was a winger though wasn't he? I would expect he would play as a wide forward if we went to a back 4. Important that we get a manager who can make it work in thier system with certain players.

 

[spursfan77]

I would think from a manager's point of view of selecting a club, it would be how I can progress my career.

For Slot, it would be progress from his point of view, I suspect. From JN's point of view, it's a step down. I don't understand why he would want to choose us. I think sometimes we think of ourselves more highly than we ought to.

We should be looking at managers who see us as a career progression.

But also if Slot comes in and fails with us he would have to rebuild his career once again. If he comes in and takes a Palace, for example, does a good job and then gets the chance for a top 6 club, that is a much better career path. It is one he should probably do but if he is offered the job with us he would be mad to turn it down.

 

[Super Pav]

Just had a look on betfair (far from the good old days when 16.7 million traded on the Redknapp to Portsmouth market,nice one Harry ) Poch 4/7 for Chelsea job 41k matched,our market looks as though no one has a clue,only 9.6k matched absolute peanuts, Nagelsmann slight fav from Kompany.

 

[Timberwolf]

Porro was a winger though wasn't he? I would expect he would play as a wide forward if we went to a back 4. Important that we get a manager who can make it work in thier system with certain players.

He was originally a winger, yeah, but I suspect the intention would be to play him as a full-back if we switched to a back 4, otherwise we're playing Royal at RB every game.

Admittedly Royal is better in a back 4, but very short sighted to spend 45m on a wing-back to end up using him as a backup wide forward... and then probably need to buy yet another right back.

 

[mil1lion]

He was originally a winger, yeah, but I suspect the intention would be to play him as a full-back if we switched to a back 4, otherwise we're playing Royal at RB every game.

Admittedly Royal is better in a back 4, but seems a bit dumb to spend a 45m on a wing-back to end up using him as a backup wide forward... and then probably need to buy yet another right back.

But we also have Spence so there's the option to develop him into that right back role. At least we have options on the right side and young players to develop.

 

[Spursfan1414]

I’m glad they’ve not been swayed tbh, if they’ve decided from the get go that he’s not high on the list (whether you agree or not)then fans singing his name and him maybe going chelsea shouldn’t change that.

It’s only fine if they have a good reason to not think he’s a top contender for the job. I can’t see any possible reason for Poch to not at least be in the running, other than the Board’s ego and desire to not admit they fucked up.

I’d probably rather have Nagelsmann but I do think it’s mad we’re not even considering Poch.

 

[Trix]

Nags was 7/1 yesterday he's 3/1 this morning. Money being lumped on him

Pretty sure we had 3-4 different odds on favourites prior to Nuno getting the job. It means nothing. Doesn't take a lot of money to move these markets because the bookies are always scared information has leaked. You couldn't lump on these type of bets if you tried.

 

[Timberwolf]

But we also have Spence so there's the option to develop him into that right back role. At least we have options on the right side and young players to develop.

True, but to go back to my main point about Nagelsmann being a good fit - under him, Spence and Porro would both slot in very naturally on the right side. Udogie too on the left.

Under a back 4 manager we can probably wrangle something together, but we're not playing to the strengths of the 3 specialist wing-backs we signed and we'll suffer defensively while our wing backs adapt to playing full back.

 

[Impspur1]

Just had a look on betfair (far from the good old days when 16.7 million traded on the Redknapp to Portsmouth market,nice one Harry ) Poch 4/7 for Chelsea job 41k matched,our market looks as though no one has a clue,only 9.6k matched absolute peanuts, Nagelsmann slight fav from Kompany.

Wha does that mean in English

 

[Trix]

It won't be anything more than them not wanting to look like idiots if he came in and did well, as they'd then get huge criticism for sacking him in the first place (even if it was somewhat merited at the time as that will have been forgotten conveniently).

I don't think so, lots happened in his final year.

 

[$hoguN]

It won't be anything more than them not wanting to look like idiots if he came in and did well, as they'd then get huge criticism for sacking him in the first place (even if it was somewhat merited at the time as that will have been forgotten conveniently).

It was totally merited at the time.

 

[danielneeds]

I don't think so, lots happened in his final year.

I like your optimism that they “know” something, but at the moment the club show all the self-awareness, analytical and decision making ability of a Tory government minister.

 

[mark87]

Nagelsmann is 35, he has another 30 years of management ahead if he wants it. A season out of the CL isn't going to matter.

If anything, it would arguably be helpful for his rebuild to not have the pressure of the CL on top of the PL in his first season.

That may be the case but he's been in the CL for a few years now, just been fired, perhaps unjustly, from the biggest job in Germany, he's very highly sort after and could walk into 95% of jobs out there so would he be happy for his next job to possibly be in the ECL? I don't think so.

Also, the news of him turning down Chelsea just happens to come after they get knocked out of the CL, wiping out their only chance of qualifying for next season's CL.

 

[thekneaf]

It was totally merited at the time.

I love Poch, but some of the comments he made prior, PRIOR, to our biggest game ever did piss me off. Showed a total lack of emotional intelligence. Honesty, yes, smart, no. Compared to Jose at Inter who was basically their man, love you guys, win the CL and gone before they get on the coach. At least play the game first.

I'd take him back, but I get why people might not.

 

[gavspur]

I don't think so, lots happened in his final year.

Yeah, I think there’s probably quite a few major problems stacked against Poch coming back. Remember his ‘I’m a coach, not a manager’ press conference where he seemed very angry. I’ve just said in another thread, that there would need to be big changes for him to come back, and I don’t think our board is willing to change anything big in regards to themselves and how they operate.

On that note, and from what I’ve read of the guy, Gallardo would be my top choice to actually spring a change for our club. The mentality, modern approach, etc etc, but again, I think that scares our board as it would deem a lot of them out of their depth. And there in, in my mind, is our major problem. Rinse and repeat, occasionally striking lucky.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Are we in a position to say 'sloppy seconds' to them....


Really

I know it’s ironic, but We’re spurs supporters mate.

We need to take our victories no matter how small or petty

 

[1882andallthat]

Let's be very clear about this. The bookies know fuck all about who our next manager will be and only really react to money being wagered.

True, I was just saying and I very much doubt if is, that if Nagelsmann's decision hinged upon CL qualification, we would be very clear in the next 8 days where we stood, and on CL qualification it almost certainly won't be in good place.
If he is seriously in the running I hope and presume it won't come down CL, but I'm just as much in the dark as most of us are, including the bookies.

 

[spursfan77]

It was totally merited at the time.

Yes, but in hindsight. Anyway, that has all been covered and we don't want the thread closed again

Nagelsmann please. And a DOF that he has experience with. We've tried the pasta, lets try the bratwurst!

 

[daveduvet]

True, I was just saying and I very much doubt if is, that if Nagelsmann's decision hinged upon CL qualification, we would be very clear in the next 8 days where we stood, and on CL qualification it almost certainly won't be in good place.
If he is seriously in the running I hope and presume it won't come down CL, but I'm just as much in the dark as most of us are, including the bookies.

Think not having CL for someone like Nagelsmann would reduce the pressure somewhat - his team can still - hopefully - play in a European competition and gather confidence/get used to his way/style whilst he’s working out what’s required for the following season should we make top 4 …