Next Manager Watch

[Adam456]

This isnt aimed at you personally but I will call it out as its spouted a lot on here.

It's rubbish. Fans as a whole will not accept 7th or 8th and neither will the board.

If this happens again the manager will definitely be sacked, and nearly every decent first team player like Kulu, Bentancur, Son, Romero will be demanding to leave next summer.

It's absolute small time. I'm convinced some odd people want us to go back to the late 90s and just be happy to be in the league if we had a couple of flair players in the team and lost games 5-3.

Time to act like a big club FFS.

Perhaps I gave the wrong impression. I wasn't saying I'd be happy with 6-8th every season. I would be OK with that next season as it would be a step in the right direction i.e. back to playing good football on the front foot, pressing, more comfortable on the ball etc.

Then that we progress from there in terms of improving and balancing squad, tactics, game management

If the manager we choose can't improve our position the season after then perhaps we revisit but we ensure that we have the same *style* of play whoever then comes in and don't have the pointless turnover of players and favourites

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Is Ange the perfect candidate? No he isn't. But are people forgetting that coaches in the dutch league, in the Championship and even coaches without a job appear to be turning their noses up at the role. Working with Levy is clearly not particularly appealing at the moment.

The direction should be towards a Poch, Slot or Ange type coach and with the first 2 being no goers now then Ange would be my pick too. Nagelsmann aside, who I believe has walked away after initially talking to Levy, there is no available coach in this mould who has a glowing CV of trophies in the top leagues. This is an unachievable target.

If we assume Nagelsmann is out of the question who exactly do all the #NotoAnge people actually want?
Enrique - Who's only particular impressive spell as a coach was with a fantastic Barca squad. Take that out and he wouldn't even be being mentioned for any job in the Prem.
Amorim - Similar style to what we've had in recent years. Impressive in Europe but 4th in Primeira isnt brilliant. Also doesnt speak English.
Potter - Another Chelsea reject? What De Zerbi is doing has raised questions on Potter's tenure at Brighton.
Rodgers - Really??

I don't want Amorim but I think you may be wrong on the english front:

 

[Timbar]

Is Ange the perfect candidate? No he isn't. But are people forgetting that coaches in the dutch league, in the Championship and even coaches without a job appear to be turning their noses up at the role. Working with Levy is clearly not particularly appealing at the moment.

The direction should be towards a Poch, Slot or Ange type coach and with the first 2 being no goers now then Ange would be my pick too. Nagelsmann aside, who I believe has walked away after initially talking to Levy, there is no available coach in this mould who has a glowing CV of trophies in the top leagues. This is an unachievable target.

If we assume Nagelsmann is out of the question who exactly do all the #NotoAnge people actually want?
Enrique - Who's only particular impressive spell as a coach was with a fantastic Barca squad. Take that out and he wouldn't even be being mentioned for any job in the Prem.
Amorim - Similar style to what we've had in recent years. Impressive in Europe but 4th in Primeira isnt brilliant. Also doesnt speak English.
Potter - Another Chelsea reject? What De Zerbi is doing has raised questions on Potter's tenure at Brighton.
Rodgers - Really??

If working with Levy is not appealing does that mean as fans we have to accept going backwards… no. So the #notoange ppl may want Levy and owners to understand we won’t accept bang average appointments because others won’t work with them. We’d rather Levy go and we get someone who does want the best manager available. Will it work….. very likely no. But we should not stop sending the message as with any difficult protest

 

[jebratt]

Still absolute crickets on Nagelsmann's future from anywhere as far as I've seen. I still think we could be in for him, personally, if largely due to a lack of other options for him elsewhere. The word put out by the club has always been us distancing ourselves for legal reasons imo.

The whole situation the past few weeks feels like a protracted courting of the bloke to me, leveraging interest in other managers along he way, as while other managers are touting themselves to available jobs Nagelsmann has but a tentative link to Napoli from all of today.

Just seems off considering the position he finds himself in.

That said, I would be happy with Ange, Mason, or whoever is willing to get the ball down and play the Tottenham way. It's been too, too long, and for me that's what I care about above all else. Fuck all this nonsense about "accepting mediocrity". It's a fucking game, and I want to enjoy watching the football. I don't want to win anything playing some dire old shite and never did. I'd rather us play nice football that I care about but win nothing as far as I'm concerned.

We can only hope that the silence means we are working on hiring Nagelsmann and his preferred choice of DoF but unfortunately, some if not all the ITK have suggested that both parties have moved on and that most fans will be underwhelmed by our managerial selection…I just cannot understand why we would not do everything in our power to convince Nagelsmann to join but then I remember that Levy is insecure and does not want to relinquish any power despite what he may publicly express…The denial does offer some hope that we may be working on something behind the scenes but that might be giving the board too much credit…

 

[jebratt]

Another bit of hope is that Nagelsmann is not being mentioned as a possible candidate anywhere except for Real Madrid so it is possible we could still be negotiating with him after being rejected by Slot… My honest opinion is that he is open to joining us under the right conditions but Levy has already decided on his preferred setup and is unwilling to give the manager too much power and control…I can understand Levy’s position but I think he has to realize the situation we are in and as such, make an exception for Nagelsmann who really does tick all the boxes…

 

[jebratt]

Another point to consider is that there may be something personal going on between Spurs and Nagelsmann…That is, perhaps Levy/the board are still holding a grudge because Nagelsmann apparently chose to join Bayern over us a few years ago…?

They could also be buying into the spin that Nagelsmann lost the lockeroom at Bayern and maybe they are concerned that his strong personality might create problems especially after Conte’s meltdown…The curious thing in all of this speculation is not only why have we not interviewed him but why Nagelsmann is not being linked to anyone at the moment despite the conclusion of the German league and the opening of some interesting job vacancies…

 

[kthwlsn]

Still holding out hope for Nagelsmann until it's officially out of the question. That being said, I was talked into Slot by posts in this thread. Then I was brought on to the Ange Wagon, mostly by watching videos of him posted here and reading the stories about him. This morning I was brought around to being ready to accept Luis Enrique. My point is I don't know a lot about any of them so I'm totally susceptible to having my mind changed as to who our next manager should be.

So can someone convince me why Gallardo is more of a sure thing Ange as many seem to think? I'm ready to be persuaded but need more than a statue...even THAT statue.

 

[jebratt]

I like Ange but I am really concerned about his tendency to focus on pure offense because I have no idea how well that will transfer over to the Premier league…I did not like “Conteball” but there is no denying that initially, it was effective enough to place us in fourth…Ange’s system, while certainly entertaining, might very well exploit our existing defensive shortcomings to the point where we fall further down the standings…

 

[jebratt]

Still holding out hope for Nagelsmann until it's officially out of the question. That being said, I was talked into Slot by posts in this thread. Then I was brought on to the Ange Wagon, mostly by watching videos of him posted here and reading the stories about him. This morning I was brought around to being ready to accept Luis Enrique. My point is I don't know a lot about any of them so I'm totally susceptible to having my mind changed as to who our next manager should be.

So can someone convince me why Gallardo is more of a sure thing Ange as many seem to think? I'm ready to be persuaded but need more than a statue...even THAT statue.

I think of Gallardo as very similar to Poch…Young, plays attacking football, charismatic, can build and re-build a team and places great emphasis on the mental aspects of the game…Tactically, he is more flexible than Poch but both are great at developing young players…

 

[only1waddle]

Another point to consider is that there may be something personal going on between Spurs and Nagelsmann…That is, perhaps Levy/the board are still holding a grudge because Nagelsmann apparently chose to join Bayern over us a few years ago…?

They could also be buying into the spin that Nagelsmann lost the lockeroom at Bayern and maybe they are concerned that his strong personality might create problems especially after Conte’s meltdown…The curious thing in all of this speculation is not only why have we not interviewed him but why Nagelsmann is not being linked to anyone at the moment despite the conclusion of the German league and the opening of some interesting job vacancies…

I'm genuinely bemused as to why we'd hold a grudge at a coach choosing to stay in his home country, and accept a job with the serial winning biggest club.

We quite clearly had talks with him that broke down, then leaked a story we hadn't had contact to give other candidates the impression they were first choice, or before his camp did that we were a mess like Chelsea.

We don't need any more Nagelsmann scenarios beyond the recent evidence that the club is run like a circus.

 

[jebratt]

Gotta love this!

 

[jebratt]

I'm genuinely bemused as to why we'd hold a grudge at a coach choosing to stay in his home country, and accept a job with the serial winning biggest club.

We quite clearly had talks with him that broke down, then leaked a story we hadn't had contact to give other candidates the impression they were first choice, or before his camp did that we were a mess like Chelsea.

We don't need any more Nagelsmann scenarios beyond the recent evidence that the club is run like a circus.

I agree... I just think it is important to consider if there are any other things going on that might be influencing our decision-making process...I also agree that it would be silly to hold a grudge but maybe Levy thought we had him signed, sealed, and delivered and was caught off-guard (as usual) when Nagelsmann signed for Bayern...

 

[rossdapep]

Not seen it mentioned here yet.

I know Tim Sherwood is a donut but he said on That No Tippy Tappy Podcast that he'd heard something about Ange when Neil Lennon said he believes he won't leave Celtic but he didn't want to say anymore. Pulled that "I can't say face"

Could just be being typical Timmy or may genuinely have heard something.

This was about 2 weeks ago now.

 

[only1waddle]

Not seen it mentioned here yet.

I know Tim Sherwood is a donut but he said on That No Tippy Tappy Podcast that he'd heard something about Ange when Neil Lennon said he believes he won't leave Celtic but he didn't want to say anymore. Pulled that "I can't say face"

Could just be being typical Timmy or may genuinely have heard something.

This was about 2 weeks ago now.

Said in the latest one he didn't think Ange would leave either.

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Regardless of who we sign (bar Nagelsmann), we’re not getting the fans nor clubs first choice. All of our potential managers will come with some risk (with Poch and JN having the least). While we don’t have expectations like Chelsea, City, United or Liverpool, we have higher expectations and much larger competition than most are prepared for. Candidly, I’m convinced it’s a crap shoot given none of our top options have PL experience or have managed in a deep competitive league.

Whether it was Slot or Ange or Potter or Amorim or whomever at this point, the manager we recruit will come with major risk. While I think it’s easier to stand out in the SPL, Eredivisie and Primeira Liga, short of Pochettino and Redknapp (and some could argue Jol), I would argue we have failed to find the right manager and it’s likely a calculated crap shoot. At this point I just hope whoever we recruit is given full decision making to build a team however they see fit.

 

[dtxspurs]

So according to Transfermarkt - Celtic last season spent more than the rest of the Scottish league combined.

 

[only1waddle]

Regardless of who we sign (bar Nagelsmann), we’re not getting the fans nor clubs first choice. All of our potential managers will come with some risk (with Poch and JN having the least). While we don’t have expectations like Chelsea, City, United or Liverpool, we have higher expectations and much larger competition than most are prepared for. Candidly, I’m convinced it’s a crap shoot given none of our top options have PL experience or have managed in a deep competitive league.

Whether it was Slot or Ange or Potter or Amorim or whomever at this point, the manager we recruit will come with major risk. While I think it’s easier to stand out in the SPL, Eredivisie and Primeira Liga, short of Pochettino and Redknapp (and some could argue Jol), I would argue we have failed to find the right manager and it’s likely a calculated crap shoot. At this point I just hope whoever we recruit is given full decision making to build a team however they see fit.

We're talking risk regarding them, but how many will be thinking about the risk of joining us?

 

[cookiemonster]

Said in the latest one he didn't think Ange would leave either.

Good

 

[Mattspurs1982]

I know we’re a bit pants “at the moment” but we’re one of the biggest clubs in English football, one of the richest clubs in the world, a recent champions league regular, with one of the worlds best players, in a world class stadium, in one of the world’s most popular cities, and we have massive potential. Surely we can do better than stealing the Celtic manager (no disrespect intended). Sure he’s a decent coach but I’m not comfortable settling for decent given the club stature / status.

 

[superted4]

I know we’re a bit pants “at the moment” but we’re one of the biggest clubs in English football, one of the richest clubs in the world, a recent champions league regular, with one of the worlds best players, in a world class stadium, in one of the world’s most popular cities, and we have massive potential. Surely we can do better than stealing the Celtic manager (no disrespect intended). Sure he’s a decent coach but I’m not comfortable settling for decent given the club stature / status.

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