No To GAM£ 39 - Supporters Petition

[JamesTheYiddo]

The Premier League have gone too far with their proposals to invent an extra fixture to be played abroad – and the time for football fans to stand up and be counted has arrived.

If you oppose this outrageous desecration of the national game, we strongly urge you to read the text in the window on the right hand side of this page, fill in the form beneath it, read the instructions underneath and click the "Add my name button". Please pay particular attention to the e-mail verification process – it is important that the people responsible for making this decision know the real level of anger and opposition it has caused.

We want as many people as possible to sign up and add their name. Everyone who does will receive an email confirming that they're part of the campaign and an email on your behalf will be fired off to the FA Premier League as well as all 20 FAPL clubs, leaving them in no doubt about the strength of feeling on this issue. A full list of the e-mail addresses we are sending to can be found further down this page, we encourage as many fellow fans as possible to personally contact your club too.

In addition to this petition the Football Supporters' Federation are planning ways we can help fans to organise protests at each of the 20 Premier League grounds. If you would like to be involved in the NO TO GAM£ 39 supporters' action, please e-mail [email protected] stating the club you support and any ideas you have or suggestions you can make.

And don't just leave it there – you must know dozens of people who feel the same way about this. So spread the word, email them and tell them about the campaign, and make sure they get signed up too. Fans are the most important people in football. We have to make sure our voice is heard.

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http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/news0095no-to-game-39.html


Get it signed lad's.​

 

[Real_madyidd]

But we don't know the facts yet. I wont sign it until they explain what the idea really is.

 

[Marty]

With Real_madyidd here. In principle I'm not a fan, but I'm open to hearing what they ave to say and the full extent of the plans before making my mind up.

 

[Bonjour]

"If you oppose this outrageous desecration of the national game..."

OTT much?

 

[KentuckyYid]

But we don't know the facts yet. I wont sign it until they explain what the idea really is.

We could use some common sense in the other thread about this topic. It seems there are a bunch of Little Englanders with their over my dead body attitudes pouring scorn on the idea at the very suggestion of it...

I didn't realise we had so many Alf Garnett's on SC

 

[C0YS]

they are just saying no to game 39, I dont want that to happen because it is not what a league is about. It just wouldnt be fair!!, nomatter how its set out. You wouldent know who truly is the best in the land

 

[Legend10]

I've signed up!

I think that the idea is a disgrace and football turns its back on its true supporters (the paying customer) further and further.

I wonder what Keith (there use to be a football club over there) Burkinshaw and people from his generation and before would make of this.

It has nothing to do with being racist or little Englanders at all, it's to do with selling the very soul out of our game and saying the most important thing at all costs is the potential earnings. This is purely being considered to increase foreign sponsorship and television money.

You play every team in the league twice apart from one who you play 3 times and this may result in you being relegated, missing a UEFA cup place, missing CL qualification and even who wins the Premiership.

The Premier league and the FA would be the first people to cry in their beer if a European Super League was formed and the likes of Manchester Utd (their biggest asset) and Liverpool were to walk away from playing competetive football in this country. yet they show no consideration for our national game by issuing a statement of intent to make our Premier league a global event and it makes no difference whether it's a 1 off weekend or a whole season.

There have already been too many changes to the game in recent years and they should leave this idea well alone or I believe that there will be a genuine backlash from the paying fans.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I've signed up!

I think that the idea is a disgrace and football turns its back on its true supporters (the paying customer) further and further.

I wonder what Keith (there use to be a football club over there) Burkinshaw and people from his generation and before would make of this.

It has nothing to do with being racist or little Englanders at all, it's to do with selling the very soul out of our game and saying the most important thing at all costs is the potential earnings. This is purely being considered to increase foreign sponsorship and television money.

You play every team in the league twice apart from one who you play 3 times and this may result in you being relegated, missing a UEFA cup place, missing CL qualification and even who wins the Premiership.

The Premier league and the FA would be the first people to cry in their beer if a European Super League was formed and the likes of Manchester Utd (their biggest asset) and Liverpool were to walk away from playing competetive football in this country. yet they show no consideration for our national game by issuing a statement of intent to make our Premier league a global event and it makes no difference whether it's a 1 off weekend or a whole season.

There have already been too many changes to the game in recent years and they should leave this idea well alone or I believe that there will be a genuine backlash from the paying fans.

Please expand on that sentence. I'd be fascinated to hear your thoughts as to why this move would have that result.

If, while doing so, you can admit that there are approximately 50-100 times more fans of the Premier League outside of England than inside, then I'll give bonus points.


NB: I don't really have a problem with the rest of what you say.

 

[Legend10]

I'll try Bill and I do appreciate that this is only my opinion and will not be shared by an awful lot of people.

All the recent changes in the game have been at the expense of the paying customer, the 1 who actually shells out his hard earned at the end of the week to buy a seat in the stadia to support his or her team. There are already plenty of people who shell out on ST only to find that they are unable to go to a game early on a Saturday due to work or social commitments let alone later on a Saturday or at various times on a Sunday or even a Monday night. I've always been a fan of midweek games but they are a round of fixtures and not a Saturday game moved to a Monday to accomodate not the paying customer but the TV companies, marketeers, advertisers and those who want to watch on TV, in fact anybody and everybody apart from MR & MRS I'll shell out my hard earned to go to the game.

Games get moved at late notice to satisfy TV and in a way I accept it all although genuine fans are never asked to give their opinions on such issues.

It could well be argued that money from TV has improved the quality of football that we see, I would argue to the contrary and say that Sky TV has effectively ruined the game in this country. It has created a league that is so dominated by 4 clubs that the title race for most has become 1 great big yawn with the same old faces involved whilst the rest of the clubs scavenge around feeding off of their scraps whilst the TV channels consistently try to raise the profiles of the big 4 to make their advertising agenda easier. So much better for them if almost everybody supports a limited number of teams as then the demand for them to be televised consistently grows as does the TV audience and the advertising spend with it.

To now consider taking the game out of the country is even worse, we all know deep down that the set up will be totally based around the big 4 and ensuring thay they get the top venues, the easiest opposition and the least possible disruption. And of course they will get the venues with the best marketing possibilities as they pretty much now call the shots.

What about the fan here who goes to all his teams matches? Who cares about him? Nobody as its far more important that Man Utd can sell an extra 50,000 shirts in Beijing!

The big 4 will be up for this and shamefully so will clubs like Spurs and Villa but teams like Boro and Wigan what are they going to gain?

Football needs to go back to its roots, back to the fans who pay to watch it. If you live in beijing and you support Arsenal good for you and good for you if there's another 200,000 Arsenal supporters just like you, I hope you enjoy watching the product on the TV but to send somebody there to play Arsenal so that they can sell shirts, earn bigger sponsorship deals and take a larger slice of TV action is whoring of the worst kind.

This is the English Premier League contested by English clubs and the games should be played in England!

Just my opinion.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

And a very fair one. I don't necessarily argue and really appreciate the considered response. I think too many people are taking the F365 approach of 'stick it up your bollix' which while amusing is turning the country into a bunch of Daily Mail-wielding morons.


I hope in my heart that this is being discussed as a way to bring the hundreds of millions of people who literally worship the English Premier League, its teams and its players closer to the game.

Then again, I know I'm being more than a little naive. And should admit that I also think that clubs build bigger stadia to let more fans see matches rather than make money (It's ok. It's fine to pity me).

You are spot on when you say the league should be about the fans. That's why I wish to take issue with anyone dismissing the rights of overseas supporters compared to English-based people. There are more of us, you know. :wink:


And just in case I am accused (understandably) of defending this curious suggestion/proposal, I would like to point out that I am about 72,846 times more likely to see Spurs play at the Lane than anywhere overseas. I'll be long gone by the time any game gets to Malaysia, and the odds of Spurs being wherever I end up are really very, very remote.

 

[KentuckyYid]

It could well be argued that money from TV has improved the quality of football that we see, I would argue to the contrary and say that Sky TV has effectively ruined the game in this country. It has created a league that is so dominated by 4 clubs that the title race for most has become 1 great big yawn

As a kid growing up in the 70's & 80's it was one bigger yawn with the big one (L'pool) winning it every year...

 

[nidge]

You are spot on when you say the league should be about the fans. That's why I wish to take issue with anyone dismissing the rights of overseas supporters compared to English-based people. There are more of us, you know. :wink:

Surely it would more special for oversea fans to make the journey to watch the club they support. I remember my first trip to White Hart Lane and I can honestly say if that had been a match in Sydney I probably wouldn't have fallen in love with the club due to the passion I saw and the emotion felt by being at White Hart Lane.

Maybe they clubs should look at getting better official supporter clubs overseas where in conjunction with club sponsers they can do special trips for fans overseas to come to WHL and truely experience what it is like to see a EPL match rather than the watered down version that they a proposing.

The biggest reason for not doing this is the fact that clubs would not start the season on a fair and balanced playing field as one team would have to play Man Utd three times and other would play Derby three times. This completely destroys the league setup and to suggest otherwise is just folly.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Good point that, Nidge.

And I suppose the logical response to you would be to play the numbers game: 20 people travelling from Korea to see a match or 100,000 in a stadium in Seoul? Which brings the game to the fans better?

I don't really go along with that, though. It may be that a logistical solution can be found to this, and I wonder if, when all is said and done, whether one side playing in a slightly less comfortable venue against a trickier side in a one-off game (out of 39) is necessarily any less fair than a side such as Arsenal last year (or was it the year before) getting all home EPL matches after their CL games. Or a side that has to play the big 4 back-to-back. Or has it's toughest matches during the ACN. Or one that has to travel to Newcastle on Wednesday and Southampton on Saturday.

The league isn't fair now. I suppose therefore it is stupid to try to make it less fair, but maybe someone with triks' enthusiasm and a very big brain can make it seem workable.

Fuck knows, I can't. :lol:

 

[PeterboroughYids]

"If you oppose this outrageous desecration of the national game..."

OTT much?

:bang: NO!!

signed

 

[Legend10]

As a kid growing up in the 70's & 80's it was one bigger yawn with the big one (L'pool) winning it every year...

But from 70-79 there was 6 different winners of the old 1st division and from 80-89 there was 4 and Leeds won it more or less straight afterwards.

In addition to this various other clubs like ourselves in 87, QPR and Ipswich battled to win titles without quite making it.

The Premiership has been the era of monotony as far as titles races is concerned.

 

[Bonjour]

:bang: NO!!

signed

So you don't think it's taking the 'football is the new religion' thing just a tad too far?

For something to be desecrated, it first has to be held sacred.

I mean, I like football, but sacred? Come on!

 

[nidge]

Good point that, Nidge.

And I suppose the logical response to you would be to play the numbers game: 20 people travelling from Korea to see a match or 100,000 in a stadium in Seoul? Which brings the game to the fans better?

I don't really go along with that, though. It may be that a logistical solution can be found to this, and I wonder if, when all is said and done, whether one side playing in a slightly less comfortable venue against a trickier side in a one-off game (out of 39) is necessarily any less fair than a side such as Arsenal last year (or was it the year before) getting all home EPL matches after their CL games. Or a side that has to play the big 4 back-to-back. Or has it's toughest matches during the ACN. Or one that has to travel to Newcastle on Wednesday and Southampton on Saturday.

The league isn't fair now. I suppose therefore it is stupid to try to make it less fair, but maybe someone with triks' enthusiasm and a very big brain can make it seem workable.

Fuck knows, I can't. :lol:

The league setup is fair in that you play every team twice once at and once away and that the fixture list is down in a random draw which means the fixture list for all clubs come down to luck but, everyone knows at the beginning of the season you play 38 games against the other 19 teams in the league.

What makes the league unfair is the amount of money each individual team has and the quality of player that club can attract. There is no way round that short of having a american system for drafting players or salay caps. So it isn't how the league is setup that is unfair but, the differences in teams that make up the league.

One way it would be possible I suppose if you didn't add any fixtures and played two games aboard. The first would be the opening day of the season. (So plenty of time to acclimatise) and the second would be the reverse of that fixture in the second week of january but, then you are taking 2 games away from ST holders so I am not even sure that would work in reality.

 

[Paxtonite]

But we don't know the facts yet. I wont sign it until they explain what the idea really is.

What could you possibly want to see in the detail/facts? FFS they are really taking the piss whichever way you look at it. How can a 39th game be fair to any team. Great if we draw Derby at home. Not so great if it is Man Utd away!

The point is the detail doesn't matter. There is no justification for this at all and makes a mockery of the term "domestic league". I reckon it is being fuelled by the smaller clubs in the prem tho because they see the likes of Man Utd jetting of to Dubai (for a FRIENDLY), making more money and promoting their brand and they are feeling left behind.

I tell you what though, they should let them fly off to Tokyo and play todays match between Liverpool and Chelsea and the idea of premier league football being the best in the world will be seriously questioned! Who on earth would want to watch Sunderland v Wigan or such like?

The detail doesn't matter. WE matter. I have already been priced out of going to WHL after going regularly since the mid seventies. This is confirming to the fan that they don't give a toss about us. The £'s rule. Its all about TV. Its all about a global brand. Its all about money that invariably ends up in the players pockets. It's all about not caring if we don't turn up to watch our teams because demand for tickets outweighs supply (for the majority of the big teams only), so why should they care. It's all about foreign owners who have no affiliation to clubs, that are not familiar with the history of clubs and have no aversion whatsoever to franchising clubs. MK dons will be the tip of the iceberg at this rate.

Check out the regular empty seats at Boro, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton etc. Someone in EPL better sit up and take note before it all implodes. If this goes ahead our game will die. EPL will be the laughing stock of world football, and the league should be bigger than that. Instead it will lose its integrity and stick two fingers up at the fans and the history of English football.

Rant over

I'm signing!

 

[Bill_Oddie]

What could you possibly want to see in the detail/facts? FFS they are really taking the piss whichever way you look at it. How can a 39th game be fair to any team. Great if we draw Derby at home. Not so great if it is Man Utd away!

The point is the detail doesn't matter. There is no justification for this at all and makes a mockery of the term "domestic league". I reckon it is being fuelled by the smaller clubs in the prem tho because they see the likes of Man Utd jetting of to Dubai (for a FRIENDLY), making more money and promoting their brand and they are feeling left behind.

I tell you what though, they should let them fly off to Tokyo and play todays match between Liverpool and Chelsea and the idea of premier league football being the best in the world will be seriously questioned! Who on earth would want to watch Sunderland v Wigan or such like?

The detail doesn't matter. WE matter. I have already been priced out of going to WHL after going regularly since the mid seventies. This is confirming to the fan that they don't give a toss about us. The £'s rule. Its all about TV. Its all about a global brand. Its all about money that invariably ends up in the players pockets. It's all about not caring if we don't turn up to watch our teams because demand for tickets outweighs supply (for the majority of the big teams only), so why should they care. It's all about foreign owners who have no affiliation to clubs, that are not familiar with the history of clubs and have no aversion whatsoever to franchising clubs. MK dons will be the tip of the iceberg at this rate.

Check out the regular empty seats at Boro, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton etc. Someone in EPL better sit up and take note before it all implodes. If this goes ahead our game will die. EPL will be the laughing stock of world football, and the league should be bigger than that. Instead it will lose its integrity and stick two fingers up at the fans and the history of English football.

Rant over

I'm signing!

You've not really understood this proposal have you? :wink:

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

It won't happen for one simple reason, the Premier League in all their shortsightedness have forgotten that other countries have their own national leagues.

For any Premier League games to be played in Tokyo, Sydney, New York, etc, the Premier League needs the permission of that particular countries Football Association to be able to play the game, Manchester United and Arsenal cannot just simply fly into New York and play a game. One of the major roles of every National Football Association is to promote, protect and nurture its own National Competition no matter how small it is. No Football Association is going to let another national league come into their country and steal the fans/money/media/spotlight away from their own competition, if they did then they wouldn't being doing their jobs properly.

Other countries FA's can't do anything about people being fans of the Premier League and having them watch it on tv but they can stop the Premier League interfering with their own competitions.

Already the Japanese Football Association have said that it is impossible for any 39th game to be played in Japan, this is because the Japanese FA have had for several years now a law which forbids any foreign football team playing another foreign football team in Japan, if a foreign team wants to play in Japan then they have to play one of Japan's National League teams.

Football Federation Australian while not actually saying no to the concept have said that their main priority is the Australian A-League and the promotion of that in Australia, have Tim Cahill's Everton playing Mark Viduka's Newcastle wouldn't in anyway help FFA promote the A-League so they will also say no.

The MLS haven't paid Beckham all that money so the Premier League can come and steal all the attention away from him and them.

Any money generated by the 39th game is money taken away from that countries own game, their FA's wouldn't allow it. No country yet suggested as hosting a game as come out and said that they would love it to happen.

What if the same week as the final round of the Premier League, Barcelona and Madrid decided to have a 3rd derby for the season to be played at Wembley, where do you think all the media attention would go? what game would you rather see? Would the Premier League allow this to happen?

oh and as a side note, as a Johnny Foreigner, I think its a complete and utterly stupid idea.