Player Watch Player Watch: Destiny Udogie

[mil1lion]

I personally felt he was weak in the Rashford goal. Could have done a lot more in an attempt to block the shot.

He was pulled to his right by the run of Bellingham. I think with experience he would need to let the runner go and focus on the main threat which was Rashford coming in more central. If he blocks the path a bit more for Rashford he may have passed to Bellingham but he's going away from goal more so less of a threat. You can also say though it was a clever run from Bellingham and did the intended job of pulling defenders put of position.

 

[mil1lion]

The issue for me is that I believe that a minority of black people will be offended by the term, therefore I don't use it. It's not hard to put aside words or phrases that you believe could be offensive to some people. The English language is wonderful and has lots of choices.

Do you swear then?

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Basically I think Destiny is absolutely class.
Easily going to be one the best LBs in the world if he continues to develop.
Agility is top notch.
Sensational ball control amongst many other things.
Tottenham have one hell of a player.

 

[robotsonic]

Do you swear then?

Causing someone effense by swearing because they don't like swear words, and causing someone offence because of their race or the colour of their skin...is not the same. Surely you're not arguing that there is an equivalence?

You could wake up one morning and find swear words OK, or not OK, but you can't wake up with a different skin colour.

 

[hughy]

Might just put all 27k members of SC on ignore.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Shall we make a thread addressing what is a broader topic? Otherwise there’s basically nothing here that relates to Udogie specifically.

 

[dickieven]

Jump in the thread. See the same shit. Leave. Lol

 

[mil1lion]

Causing someone effense by swearing because they don't like swear words, and causing someone offence because of their race or the colour of their skin...is not the same. Surely you're not arguing that there is an equivalence?

You could wake up one morning and find swear words OK, or not OK, but you can't wake up with a different skin colour.

Dear lord. The point is the word in question has nothing to do with race. So the idea that you would not use a word because it could be offensive to some is as absurd as not swearing in case someone takes offence. I mean anyone could turn a word or phrase into a racial reference and decide to take offence. It's got a bit of a "is it cos I'm black?" about it. A word gets used for multiple white players and then gets used for a back one and suddenly its about race for some reason. Fact is a player who is physical is going to be recognised for his physicality. Whatever form of word is used that's all it is. So what you're saying is you wouldn't say beast but rather some other word as that one may be offensive to some. Just wondering how you decide a word to use that nobody will decide to take offence too.

 

[Danny1]

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I only did it as a joke to carry on the sheer stupidity of the on going conversations.
Ironically everything I said was true about him though. Absolute freak of a player to be that good at 20 years of age.

Try to think of another full back in the league who is any where close to him that is within 3 years of age. I’m not sure there is one.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Racism isn’t Just saying the n word or actively not likeing someone and treating them differently. As I said differentiate between overt being offensives and false stereotypes based on preconceived beliefs perpetuated which DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BAD PERSON. It just means that people cannot be appreciated in terms of sports and people may be treated differently in a negative manner with even the best of intentions without intending offence.

My perception is that "beast" is routinely used as a positive adjective to describe athletes in general. I've heard it used to describe many white football players, tennis players, rugby players, WWE wrestlers, UFC fighters, boxers etc. While it is often used to compliment someone's physical attributes (strength & speed), it is also routinely used to describe someone who is simply very good (e.g. "Ward-Prowse is a beast at free-kicks").

If someone was to only describe black athletes as being a "beast" then yes, that would be racist, whether done consciously or subconsciously. That's really not my perception of how the term is used within sport though.

In recent years, I've heard Kane referred to as a beast more often than any other player (clearly that's influenced by the fact that I primarily watch Spurs & England matches). I frequently heard it used to describe Wanyama & Sandro in the past, but that was in reference to their ability to physically dominate opponents - the fact that they happen to be black is coincidental. I've equally heard it used to describe white "midfield destroyers" who physically impose themselves on the game, such as Roy Keane and Gattuso.

Akinfenwa came up with the term "beast mode" for himself. He was considered to be a "beast" because of his size and strength, not the colour of his skin. Are you suggesting that only black people (or perhaps no-one?) should be allowed to mention "beast mode" when discussing Akinfenwa?

Something I do take issue with is that football commentators disproportionately comment on the physical attributes of black players over white players, at the expense of discussing their technical attributes. This is statistically proven, rather than being my perception (there was an article about it a few years ago, which I suspect may have been posted on SC).

 

[Neon_Knight_]

He was pulled to his right by the run of Bellingham. I think with experience he would need to let the runner go and focus on the main threat which was Rashford coming in more central. If he blocks the path a bit more for Rashford he may have passed to Bellingham but he's going away from goal more so less of a threat. You can also say though it was a clever run from Bellingham and did the intended job of pulling defenders put of position.

Any time a goal is scored, someone could be found to have made a mistake, if it's micro-analysed enough. I'm sure we could find another Italian player to have been at fault a few seconds earlier (e.g. a midfielder not doing a better job of tracking a run), which resulted in Udogie being in the unfortunate position of having to worry about both Bellingham & Rashford, rather than only one of the two.

 

[McFlash]

Do you swear then?

Of course he does, he's bloody 'Stralian mate.

 

[Trix]

The issue for me is that I believe that a minority of black people will be offended by the term, therefore I don't use it. It's not hard to put aside words or phrases that you believe could be offensive to some people. The English language is wonderful and has lots of choices.

No I don't use it either mate, but that's my choice as it is yours. I'm not going to give people(especially youngsters) a hard time over it when the word means something completely different to them.

 

[daryl]

Christ this is ridiculous. Can this please move to another thread??

The worst to ever a poison what should be a great thread in my time on sc

 

[dvdhopeful]

At this point the beast chat could possibly do with some moderation and it's out of hand and fucking up the thread for one of our most exciting players.

There is a D&D section for exactly this sort of stuff.

 

[Oscar22]

Can I suggest…

https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/racism-any-experiences.112519/

 

[worcestersauce]

So, Destiny Udogie, what a player!

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

So, Destiny Udogie, what a player!

A real Einstein on the pitch!

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

only problem i have with him is his unaesthetic playing number

 

[faymantaray]

only problem i have with him is his unaesthetic playing number

Agreed. Very unsexy. Give him the number 3 shirt ASAP.