Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[Mattspurs1982]

Only opinion but due to lack of any CB names coming forward I think he'll drop back if/when TA goes

Worrying as he’s got too many mistakes in him and has got soooo sloooow

 

[chrissivad]

Is Lo Celso an option for CB?

Or has this thread done a Parker and taken one too many turns

 

[TheAmerican]

Is Lo Celso an option for CB?

Or has this thread done a Parker and taken one too many turns

For €70/80m he better be whatever the hell we want him to be.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Worrying as he’s got too many mistakes in him and has got soooo sloooow

I thought he was really good in that season he played right of a 3CB. Not so sure in a 2 man partnership. I believe Poch said in his book he sees that as his best position long term.

 

[BC87X]

That'd leave us short though I think as

Dembele replaced by Ndombele
Lamela replaced by Lo Celso
Eriksen replaced by Ceballos
Dier and Wanyama gone with no replacements.

I think we would need to keep one of Dier/Wanyama. My preference would be Dier on the off chance we lose Alder and he can be a utility player.

Well we really wouldn't need replacements for Dier and Wanyama in midfield. Our depth would be ideal since they are all interchangeable. We would be getting rid of our more one dimensional players for significantly more versatile ones in the midfield.

Ceballos / Winks
Ndombele / Sissoko
Lo Celso / Alli

Plus Skipp if he is needed.

As for the price of our players I rather underestimate prices than overestimate. The numbers would be in worse case scenario and to show that even then we wouldn't be that much of a net spend.

 

[wrd]

Well we really wouldn't need replacements for Dier and Wanyama in midfield. Our depth would be idea since they are all interchangeable. We would be getting rid of our more one dimensional players for significantly more versatiles ones in the midfield.

Ceballos / Winks
Ndombele / Sissoko
Lo Celso / Alli

Plus Skipp if he is needed.

As for the price of our players I rather underestimate prices than overestimate. The numbers would be in worse case scenario and to show that even then we wouldn't be that much of a net spend.

I disagree for two reasons, the first being that none of the players you mentioned are that type of defensive midfield player and it's useful to have that in the locker, the second being if we have an injury to any of the players you mentioned then we are in a situation where their counter part is playing Weds-Sat every week and we have a situation like we did with Winks/Sissoko over Christmas where they carried our midfield, having that 7th player option would alleviate that entirely.

 

[TheAmerican]

I disagree for two reasons, the first being that none of the players you mentioned are that type of defensive midfield player and it's useful to have that in the locker, the second being if we have an injury to any of the players you mentioned then we are in a situation where their counter part is playing Weds-Sat every week and we have a situation like we did with Winks/Sissoko over Christmas where they carried our midfield, having that 7th player option would alleviate that entirely.

I'm still of the opinion that Dier is the type of utility player every great side has. He obviously loves the club, is always willing to put in a shift, and is capable at a few different positions. He's extremely valuable as a squad player. He may not immediately contribute as a starter, but he's one of the best options to have on our bench.

 

[Joely]

Worrying as he’s got too many mistakes in him and has got soooo sloooow

On top of that, I don't think his concentration is up to scratch to really be a top CB. Has a habit of switching off imo. Think Dier is in danger of becoming our jack of all trades master of none.

With us looking to address our issues in midfield this summer, he'll probably fall down the pecking order there and if TA goes,for me it's clear Poch's stock CB pairing will be Verts and Sanchez. Sure Dier will get games during the season, but I'm not too sure he is going to be happy dropping in here and there, covering injuries etc.

There were a few rumblings he wanted out last summer and just wonder if he isn't holding down a regular spot, he may look to move.

 

[wrd]

I'm still of the opinion that Dier is the type of utility player every great side has. He obviously loves the club, is always willing to put in a shift, and is capable at a few different positions. He's extremely valuable as a squad player. He may not immediately contribute as a starter, but he's one of the best options to have on our bench.

What's more and I remember thinking this during the Spurs/Barca game at Wembley but I believe he is great at organising the team on the pitch, I think Poch trusts him to be the manager out on the field, when he came on during that 2nd half I could see the way he was dictating to his teammates, he's not the most athletic or the best footballer but I believe he offers the squad something unique in that sense and you need players like that if you want long term success.

 

[JacoZA]

Is Dier a Half Bissaka?

No, but at that price he's 11 Michu's.

 

[chrissivad]

Dier thread
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/player-watch-eric-dier.113062/page-117

 

[BC87X]

I disagree for two reasons, the first being that none of the players you mentioned are that type of defensive midfield player and it's useful to have that in the locker, the second being if we have an injury to any of the players you mentioned then we are in a situation where their counter part is playing Weds-Sat every week and we have a situation like we did with Winks/Sissoko over Christmas where they carried our midfield, having that 7th player option would alleviate that entirely.

I personally don't think CDM's are necessary as much these days, both Liverpool and City have played many matches without a designated CDM and were very successful. More and more team across Europe are going that route as well.

That 7th player would be Skipp, having 6 players compete for 3 spots is plenty and last season certainly shouldn't be seen as the norm for the amount of injuries our players suffered, which caused the over use of Winks and Sissoko.

 

[jonnyrotten]

So back on track, everything sounding positive on Lo Celso, seems like the player wants us so it's just a case of Danny boy wearing Betis down.

If we get him in for preseason that will be a great boost to allow him to gel with the team, get used to our style of play and get to the high level of fitness required by Poch.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I personally don't think CDM's are necessary as much these days, both Liverpool and City have played many matches without a designated CDM and were very successful. More and more team across Europe are going that route as well.

That 7th player would be Skipp, having 6 players compete for 3 spots is plenty and last season certainly shouldn't be seen as the norm for the amount of injuries our players suffered, which caused the over use of Winks and Sissoko.

I agree and also if we needed more defence in a particular game could play with NDombele as a DM and Winks or Sissoko more CM or even Dele

 

[Musathfc28]

I think we will change the way we play and become more mobile team with more energy in the midfield area...

Am I right in thinking poch likes to chop and change his midfield every couple of years

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

So back on track, everything sounding positive on Lo Celso, seems like the player wants us so it's just a case of Danny boy wearing Betis down.

If we get him in for preseason that will be a great boost to allow him to gel with the team, get used to our style of play and get to the high level of fitness required by Poch.

He’s set to miss a good chunk of pre-season either way, having been at the Copa America.

 

[walworthyid]

Exactly, if you watch Lo Celso he is probably not as capable of subtly dictating a game like Eriksen but he is more dynamic, can beat players more easily and run forward at pace. With him and Ndombele we will be lethal with quick counters. It will help us against teams parking the bus when they cough up the ball. The idea being to get straight at the back 4 before the defensive shape is set.

In possession and build up another thing you notice about Lo Celso and Ndombele is a superb first touch. If you combine this with agility and strength any opposition press becomes much more difficult. Dier, for example is severely lacking in 2 of these 3 components and that's why he is simply not suited to being a modern day midfield player.

Good points. Winks is capable of doing Eriksen's deeper work, maybe even better than eriksen, what we need is more creativity and dynamism in the last 3rd even if Wriksen stays.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Good points. Winks is capable of doing Eriksen's deeper work, maybe even better than eriksen, what we need is more creativity and dynamism in the last 3rd even if Wriksen stays.

To get Dynamism in the final third you need Dynamism in the middle third that's the key
And also the option of wing play from the, WBs too
Creating space is everything

 

[ItsBoris]

Well we really wouldn't need replacements for Dier and Wanyama in midfield. Our depth would be ideal since they are all interchangeable. We would be getting rid of our more one dimensional players for significantly more versatile ones in the midfield.

Ceballos / Winks
Ndombele / Sissoko
Lo Celso / Alli

Plus Skipp if he is needed.

As for the price of our players I rather underestimate prices than overestimate. The numbers would be in worse case scenario and to show that even then we wouldn't be that much of a net spend.

Does it seem likely that we'll go for both GLC and Dani Ceballos? Aren't they fairly similar players? I would have thought that it was an either/or sort of thing.

 

[scat1620]

Does it seem likely that we'll go for both GLC and Dani Ceballos? Aren't they fairly similar players? I would have thought that it was an either/or sort of thing.

From my limited viewing of each in YT compilations, they both seem to play the same position (CM mainly, or AM less often), but Lo Celso seems to have a shitload more quality with the ball, IMO.