Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[al_pacino]

This is where PL teams can have a bit of a problem. With the obvious exceptions, and even some of those not so much at the moment, lots of the clubs in other leagues are potless. This means clubs get over charged when they buy and when trying to sell run into problems. If trying to sell Lo Celso for a minimal loss, let's say £25m, how many clubs in Spain have spent that on an individual player over the last couple of seasons?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Whatever we get for Lo Celso it will be no worse than the David Bentley fiasco , went from Woolwich to Blackburn for hardly nothing then we paid £19 m for him . We've taken other losses on paying off Poch and Jose , Lo Celso will be another loss making exercise let's move on.

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David Bentley ➤ former footballer from England ➤ midfield ➤ last club: Tottenham Hotspur ➤ * Aug 27, 1984 in Peterborough, England

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[coy-spurs1882]

This is where PL teams can have a bit of a problem. With the obvious exceptions, and even some of those not so much at the moment, lots of the clubs in other leagues are potless. This means clubs get over charged when they buy and when trying to sell run into problems. If trying to sell Lo Celso for a minimal loss, let's say £25m, how many clubs in Spain have spent that on an individual player over the last couple of seasons?

i get your point but they are apparently selling Pau Torres to yanited for 50m. If they consider Lo Celso as a key player for them they should offer something similar to that otherwise they can f**k off

 

[ajspurs]

I don't think I really care what he goes for. We don't want him here and I trust that whatever he goes for it's because it further enables us to do the business that we want

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

This is where PL teams can have a bit of a problem. With the obvious exceptions, and even some of those not so much at the moment, lots of the clubs in other leagues are potless. This means clubs get over charged when they buy and when trying to sell run into problems. If trying to sell Lo Celso for a minimal loss, let's say £25m, how many clubs in Spain have spent that on an individual player over the last couple of seasons?

Good point , Villareal record transfer £21 m , doubt we would get much more , stadium capacity 23,500 it's a pretty small club who buy in cheap and try to sell on at a profit but last couple of seasons have made a loss on transfers.

 

[JCRD]

The issue I have with this is that we paid 42m based on his form in Spain. To be selling him back to a club in the same country for around half of that makes no sense. He’s proven he can be a great player in La liga and the Champions League so whoever buys him should pay accordingly.

it’s all speculation at this point though. I’ll make a proper judgement when more concrete info comes out.

It does make sense, value fluctuates particularly base don performances, output and achievements. He has done absolutely nothing bar one or two half decent things. His value has depreciated over the last two or three years. I mean the fact that there arent many clubs in for him or have been in for him says a fair bit.

I want him gone

 

[dontcallme]

It does make sense, value fluctuates particularly base don performances, output and achievements. He has done absolutely nothing bar one or two half decent things. His value has depreciated over the last two or three years. I mean the fact that there arent many clubs in for him or have been in for him says a fair bit.

I want him gone

I think his performances for Villarreal have been good enough to command a good fee.

His performances to help them get to the semi final and Argentina have been good enough to make him a wanted player.

 

[djhotspur]

I think his performances for Villarreal have been good enough to command a good fee.

His performances to help them get to the semi final and Argentina have been good enough to make him a wanted player.

They have, but he’s barely scored or assisted so hard to command huge fee when he’s an attacking midfielder.

 

[dontcallme]

They have, but he’s barely scored or assisted so hard to command huge fee when he’s an attacking midfielder.

Genuine question, has he ever provided a lot of goals or assists?

His stock was relatively high when we bought him and I don’t recall anyone thinking we were getting a goal scorer or creator.

 

[Legacy]

Genuine question, has he ever provided a lot of goals or assists?

His stock was relatively high when we bought him and I don’t recall anyone thinking we were getting a goal scorer or creator.

He had 16 goals and 6 assists for Betis in the season before we signed him. I think we definitely thought we were getting a goal scorer and creator.

 

[DiVaio]

Surprised a Prem club like Brighton, Villa or Newcastle aren't interested for that price but he's gotta want to go there I suppose.

There's no reason for Lo Celso to join clubs like that

 

[dontcallme]

He had 16 goals and 6 assists for Betis in the season before we signed him. I think we definitely thought we were getting a goal scorer and creator.

Probably right, my memory isn’t always the best.

Edit: a quick wiki search shows he scored 9 league goals the season before joining. Other than a season scoring 4 in 33 for PSG he hasn’t scored more than 2 league goals in any other season. So I maintain that he’s not a goal scorer.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It does make sense, value fluctuates particularly base don performances, output and achievements. He has done absolutely nothing bar one or two half decent things. His value has depreciated over the last two or three years. I mean the fact that there arent many clubs in for him or have been in for him says a fair bit.

I want him gone

It really doesn’t - hyperbolic statements don’t prove otherwise. He’s a key player for Argentina and proved he is champions league quality by being a key player for Villarreal in their run to the final - when setting a fee this means something. Yes it hasn’t worked out for him at spurs but it doesn’t mean we should give him away when lack of money in could have a knock affect to future transfer business.

 

[JCRD]

It really doesn’t - hyperbolic statements don’t prove otherwise. He’s a key player for Argentina and proved he is champions league quality by being a key player for Villarreal in their run to the final - when setting a fee this means something. Yes it hasn’t worked out for him at spurs but it doesn’t mean we should give him away when lack of money in could have a knock affect to future transfer business.

I agree we shouldnt give him away and a business cant just give assets away. The reality though is if there isnt enough demand for him from other clubs then you either keep him or you sell him at a fee lower than you see him worth. If we keep him he will also cost us wages which would no doubt cost us the extra few million we would demand from others.

We have been harping on about how we should get rid of our players quickly so we have our squad by pre season - this is the cost opportunity.

Ndombele as an example, is just not worth anything at the moment - no one wants him and he is costing us 200k a week.

 

[JCRD]

I think his performances for Villarreal have been good enough to command a good fee.

His performances to help them get to the semi final and Argentina have been good enough to make him a wanted player.

I agree again but what is a good fee? 25m? I think that is decent but if we only have Villaeal who want him then we may need to accept a lower fee but with add ons.

 

[djhotspur]

Genuine question, has he ever provided a lot of goals or assists?

His stock was relatively high when we bought him and I don’t recall anyone thinking we were getting a goal scorer or creator.

Yeah. We bought him off the back of a great season at Betis where he scored a lot and assisted a lot.
he also took Madrid and Barca apart in games
17 goals 10 assists in all comps for betis.
Worth mentioning it was his first season playing at 10 after being a cm/dcm for psg.

 

[mr ashley]

I agree again but what is a good fee? 25m? I think that is decent but if we only have Villaeal who want him then we may need to accept a lower fee but with add ons.

Agree. A quick sale at £20m+ is just the reality.
you can’t have it both ways. If you want deals at the best (lowest price) they tend to be protracted deals. Which affects pre season.
Same with getting players out.

There are ways to minimise/mitigate the risk with these investments such as loan/option but ultimately if we have a player on contract who
A) doesn’t want to be here
B) isn’t wanted by the manager

then you have to cut your losses.

 

[dontcallme]

I agree again but what is a good fee? 25m? I think that is decent but if we only have Villaeal who want him then we may need to accept a lower fee but with add ons.

I’d say an Argentine international in his prime and performing well is probably £30m+ but the price comes down to the wealth of the clubs interested.

 

[mil1lion]

Honestly with the deals we've made on Kulusevski and Bentancur I really don't worry about what we sell Lo Celso and Ndombele for. We could still get back what we pay to Juve. If Lo Celso pays for much of the Kulusevski deal this summer then happy days.

 

[Mr Pink]

Fucking hell....people getting all serious about the fee we get for Lo Celso...

Who cares...like Levy is casual about these things.

It's the big picture that's important and we aren't privy to the behind the scenes details.

What's important is how the squad shapes up for Conte...leave the finances to the Club.