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To be fair Champions League and Premier League wins since is likely to change a few minds ?Such a weird sentence to read. Was only a couple of years ago that this forum was convinced Dier was the better midfielder.
To be fair Champions League and Premier League wins since is likely to change a few minds ?Such a weird sentence to read. Was only a couple of years ago that this forum was convinced Dier was the better midfielder.
Jackson 5. I'll be there.
Jackson 5. I'll be there.
To be fair Champions League and Premier League wins since is likely to change a few minds ?
Or how injuries and illness (plus other factors) can change things in a year. One is now a CB and the other a CM.Yeah, true. Just a timely reminder of how wrong everyone on SC is apart from me.
It was the world Cup that defined the difference between Dier and Henderson. Henderson can receive the ball on the turn, Dier can't. Up until the World Cup i was convinced Dier was more effective, but every time one was subbed on for the other three difference in ability was so noticeable. Dier was always a CB being asked to play in midfield. Mostly this was OK because for us in that system he'd drop between the CBs, split them and become a 3rd CBOr how injuries and illness (plus other factors) can change things in a year. One is now a CB and the other a CM.
Things change over time. Just remember how many wonderkids don't actually become stars fulfilling their potential, and others unexpected surpass it.
It's why you shouldn't use past judgements as something to beat someone with. Dier at the time seemed the better player. Liverpool had since kicked on, Henderson found his feet and Dier had injuries and illness to contend with.
Or how injuries and illness (plus other factors) can change things in a year. One is now a CB and the other a CM.
Things change over time. Just remember how many wonderkids don't actually become stars fulfilling their potential, and others unexpected surpass it.
It's why you shouldn't use past judgements as something to beat someone with. Dier at the time seemed the better player. Liverpool had since kicked on, Henderson found his feet and Dier had injuries and illness to contend with.
I said that a while ago, that I reckon Højbjerg will allow Winks to play his natural and best game.I'm a bit into this stat site today, but I found this quite interesting. Comparing winks and PEH stat wise. So to read the chart you need to know that winks is black and PEH is colours, and that the numbers are not raw stats but percentual of all CMs in the top 4 leagues with over 10 games. So if you have a 90th, it means you top 10% in europe at that particular stat.
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So, what I see here is, the different kind of players they are, and also they could actually complement each other. Winks is really good at one thing, holding onto the ball. He is rarely dispossessed, all his pass stats are great apart from chance creation, and, contrary to opinion he passes forward a lot more than people realise. Really top stats n that regard. However, his weaknesses. tackles won, and successful pressures in particular. Namely, Winks is very good as a pressure reliever in the defensive position, less good at the ball winning elements of it, including closing down.
PEH shows, interesting stats, his dribbling is good and for his role he creates a lot of chances, now I think some of this is contingent on how Southampton play, but he has defensive stats all round. Where he struggles is passing accuracy, though a change of style might help him here, and also he is dispossessed a lot. Again, Southamptons style influences this, but this is a bit worrying as taking the ball under pressure is a major part of being a DM.
But combine the players and you'd have very good player, so they might really complement each other, particularly in games where we need to defend.
So, on top of the fact he's a talented footballer, he speaks eloquently, seems genuinely happy to have joined us, and gets to spend his days here, while the rest of us slave away in offices, building sites, sweat-box homes...
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