Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Ronwol196061]

Getting back to confidence.Watching NDombele just oozes with confidence. Watching Eriksen was totally different. I didnt see a maestro directing the game just someone taking advantage of situation through his technical skill.
It's the one thing I wanted Eriksen to do. If you are great so much better than the other schmucks take control of the game!
No. Plod.

 

[Thenewcat]

They pressed in mid and maybe Lamela,Dembele was part if that,certainly Wanyama Dier etc tackle like crazy and the ball turned around quickly...when it wasnt there we did recycling and that became more and more when our tackling slipped.To the point of running into walls. (Creativity? Lack of Ideas!)
Last season we suffered from that but at times seemed to catch up in the last 5 minutes of games.
I think NDombele and Lo Celso will be a lot better than what we had.
The energy will be more Gazza,Van der Vaart,Ginola (Bergwjin) than we had with Eriksen etc,

no one is disputing that we dropped off massively second half of last season onwards, but you are massively underplaying how good we were before that. We finished top 3 3 years in a row and peaked at 86 points and +60 GD as I’ve said and you’ve not acknowledged. If Ndombele and Lo Celso are ‘a lot better’ than two of our best players at that time we are in for a treat. I think both are potentially great

Getting back to confidence.Watching NDombele just oozes with confidence. Watching Eriksen was totally different. I didnt see a maestro directing the game just someone taking advantage of situation through his technical skill.
It's the one thing I wanted Eriksen to do. If you are great so much better than the other schmucks take control of the game!
No. Plod.

This is a narrative that suits your argument. Ndombele has a long way to go before he can take control of a game, starting with being able to stay fit enough to play them. He’s also got to prove he has the work rate and decision making to get close to Eriksen’s peak level. Eriksen’s gone and Ndombele is the future, but that doesn’t mean we have to rewrite history or ignore the current flaws. We are miles off the midfield of the best Poch sides today, and you can see that in our play and in our results. Ndombele can help bridge that gap but all he’s done so far are a few encouraging cameos. Eriksen should go down as one of our best ever modern day players, I hope we are saying the same about Ndombele in a few years

 

[hellava_tough]

Was there talk of Jose wanting NDombele to play at the base of a midfield 3?

Would be an interesting proposition.

 

[buckley]

city play Fenandhino Liverpool Play Henderson these are the teams that are currently head and shoulders above everone else but they still have a forceful if not holding midfielder . If its good enough for them its good enough for us . The little I have seen of Ndombele he has a tendency to lose concentration sometimes and lose the ball I have seen him do it three times just outside the box obviously not the best place to lose the ball . so for me I would play him more forward in midfield rather than deep where losing the ball is less likely to result in a goal . He would for me be dynamite behind the front players as his lethal passing would result in more scoring chances.

 

[thebenjamin]

Getting back to confidence.Watching NDombele just oozes with confidence. Watching Eriksen was totally different. I didnt see a maestro directing the game just someone taking advantage of situation through his technical skill.
It's the one thing I wanted Eriksen to do. If you are great so much better than the other schmucks take control of the game!
No. Plod.

Ironic then that his nickname amongst his peers who work with him every day was literally 'Maestro'

 

[yido_number1]

Getting back to confidence.Watching NDombele just oozes with confidence. Watching Eriksen was totally different. I didnt see a maestro directing the game just someone taking advantage of situation through his technical skill.
It's the one thing I wanted Eriksen to do. If you are great so much better than the other schmucks take control of the game!
No. Plod.

Ndombele is a CM Eriksen played as an attacking mid higher up the pitch. Eriksen's job was to make the final pass, cross or play and he did that statistically better than anyone in the league over his period of time with us. They are different players with different games. It's great you have a hard on for Ndombele and are viewing him as the second coming of Jesus but let's not do Eriksen down at the same time. When Ndombele has played the same amount of games or at least managed 90 minutes for us we can compare the stats and see who had more effect.

 

[coys200]

Was there talk of Jose wanting NDombele to play at the base of a midfield 3?

Would be an interesting proposition.

Be wasted imo. Actually think he’s a 10. The way he threads passes is a thing of beauty.

 

[dagraham]

Was there talk of Jose wanting NDombele to play at the base of a midfield 3?

Would be an interesting proposition.

Yeah I think that was a comment by JJ. Although the “base” part is open to interpretation. Base as in build our midfield around him or base as in positionally?

For me, although I think he could play deeper, his creativity and accuracy with through balls would be better utilised further up the pitch.

Wherever he plays though, once he hopefully gets fully up to speed and improves his off the ball work he has the potential to be the best CM in the league.

 

[Japhet]

Was there talk of Jose wanting NDombele to play at the base of a midfield 3?

Would be an interesting proposition.

I think he said 'as' the base of his midfield, which I interpret as the player he wants to build the midfield around (as opposed to the deepest lying midfield player).

 

[BringBack_leGin]

By far the best midfield I’ve ever seen was

Busquets
Xavi Iniesta​

Nothing is a given, but if Winks, Ndombele and Lo Celso can click the way they did, our attackers will be ecstatic while our defenders will have far less to deal with.

 

[cozzo]

Would love to see a compilation of his passes. Would be fun to watch. One of my favourites was his pass for Son against Bayern Munich where Son should have scored

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ndombele is a CM Eriksen played as an attacking mid higher up the pitch. Eriksen's job was to make the final pass, cross or play and he did that statistically better than anyone in the league over his period of time with us. They are different players with different games. It's great you have a hard on for Ndombele and are viewing him as the second coming of Jesus but let's not do Eriksen down at the same time. When Ndombele has played the same amount of games or at least managed 90 minutes for us we can compare the stats and see who had more effect.

People compare players all the time,though every player is unique. They are both relatively creative players,thats where you could compare them. We could compare Dembele with NDombele but Ndombele is a much more creative player than Dembele. You can compare players mentality,comfidence,skills. For me there is a direct link in their creativity as I would say from what Ive seen in NDombele is his vision. Yes I could wait but why do that? If he all of a sudden wasnt creative i would say that too. But so far Ive seen great creativity in him. This is what Ive seen its not some metaphysical idea of what he is.Ive mentioned before about Eriksens proddcing to find some space.NDombeles is totally different he sees the possibility right away from what Ive seen

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ironic then that his nickname amongst his peers who work with him every day was literally 'Maestro'

Are you talking about Eriksen? then that's their opinion. Do you think he is a Maestro? If so that's fine. I think better to give your own idea as I can maybe discuss that with you,its not easy to get hold of Harry Lane or Dele Alli

 

[spursfan77]

Some interesting new quotes from Mourinho here. He doesn’t think he had a proper preseason.

Mourinho opens up on 'amazing' Ndombele's fitness and special training

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been talking about his talented French midfielder's issues this season

www.football.london

 

[Ronwol196061]

no one is disputing that we dropped off massively second half of last season onwards, but you are massively underplaying how good we were before that. We finished top 3 3 years in a row and peaked at 86 points and +60 GD as I’ve said and you’ve not acknowledged. If Ndombele and Lo Celso are ‘a lot better’ than two of our best players at that time we are in for a treat. I think both are potentially great


This is a narrative that suits your argument. Ndombele has a long way to go before he can take control of a game, starting with being able to stay fit enough to play them. He’s also got to prove he has the work rate and decision making to get close to Eriksen’s peak level. Eriksen’s gone and Ndombele is the future, but that doesn’t mean we have to rewrite history or ignore the current flaws. We are miles off the midfield of the best Poch sides today, and you can see that in our play and in our results. Ndombele can help bridge that gap but all he’s done so far are a few encouraging cameos. Eriksen should go down as one of our best ever modern day players, I hope we are saying the same about Ndombele in a few years

Excellent post I must say. I agree and just a couple of points. First of all Poch played a certain way and it worked. It was built from an incredibly strong defence and players pressing and running like crazy all over the field. These attributes created winning back possession and when you win back possession the other team isn't set, you are working in lots of space, Its the counter or further up the field its great opportunities. Eriksen, Dele and Kane got that benefit of space. But you will notice when we moved up the field generally it was a lot harder. 1000 short passes and really we had it more difficult. Its the one weakness Poch had. He had all these uber athletes running and tackling like crazy but we had less creative players than any of the top teams. Eriksen got that benefit of really being the only one and he is technically excellent. I never though he was a David Silva (Eriksens stats were better) but Silva had a creative quick pass in him and City had several creative players.
Now fast forward a bit. See our tackling not as a good,our pressing not as fast and what do you have.The slowest build ups you have ever seen. exciting Tottenham became boring Tottenham except for the odd time. Now its different I think.
Poch I think saw Liverpools style and I guess wanted to change to playing on the front foot. So we bought 4 quasi attacking players in the summer but Poch showed that he really didnt know how to transition and incorporate front foot thinking with squeezing the air out of games.
In the Bayern game he threw NDombele forward and held Winks back alone. We had a tremendous half an hour of Liverpool style footie with NDombele making the ball and us fluid. But Poch forgot about the powerful attackers and they came back with vengeance and destroyed Winks. He really couldnt figure it out. We had injuries early in the season I know but I always felt that he was stuck with his system and despite he thought we had to chance didnt know how. We will never know but Levy took it upon himsef to make the change wvwn though he is a money guy and it cost him more.
As far as Eriksen goes,Ive wriiten a lot about him.How good technically he is,his emotions,his confidence etc. Thats where I stand abd relative to that from what Ive seen,NDombele is confident,creative,talented etc. Its early days but its what Ive seen

 

[Ronwol196061]

I do agree with this challenge though...

Mourinho: It's time Ndombele stepped up for Tottenham

Jose Mourinho says the time has come for Tottenham record-signing Tanguy Ndombele to step up but admitted the midfielder is still not ready for 90 minutes against Southampton tonight.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Stamford]

Some interesting new quotes from Mourinho here. He doesn’t think he had a proper preseason.

Mourinho opens up on 'amazing' Ndombele's fitness and special training

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been talking about his talented French midfielder's issues this season

www.football.london

Dont think any of our players did judging by the performances

 

[dtxspurs]

By far the best midfield I’ve ever seen was

Busquets
Xavi Iniesta​

Nothing is a given, but if Winks, Ndombele and Lo Celso can click the way they did, our attackers will be ecstatic while our defenders will have far less to deal with.

I still have my reservations about Winks in a DM role, we had semi-control of that game only after City went down to 10 men. Before that they were all over us. But I'd like to run that out for the rest of the season to at least see how it works.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I still have my reservations about Winks in a DM role, we had semi-control of that game only after City went down to 10 men. Before that they were all over us. But I'd like to run that out for

Winks is not the ideal DM but he can distribute the ball and can tackle,he just isnt the best defender.
For the minnows that rely more on the counter he will do but for the stronger teams he needs a stronger player next to him....if Davies came back even Tanganga can be a good DM next to Winks and could even fall back into the back line as Dier has done etc.
We could buy a DM. Need a solid defensive one though.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I still have my reservations about Winks in a DM role, we had semi-control of that game only after City went down to 10 men. Before that they were all over us. But I'd like to run that out for the rest of the season to at least see how it works.

I think right now none of the options we have at DM are ideal, but maybe Winks is the best suited.

Dier - Too slow and cumbersome, quality on the ball regressed massively.

Skipp - Young and unproven, no real first team experience

Gedson - Don't think he is a DM, seems like he will more compete/rotate with Ndombele

Sissoko - Injured

Winks - Needs to improve his positional play but has the tenacity.

We need a Carrick.