Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[archiewasking]

Keep. Unless he really doesn't want to put in the effort. Losing such a talent would be a real shame.

 

[fortworthspur]

definitely give him another year but Im not at all convinced he'll come good in England.

 

[yido_number1]

I would say there is 0 chance he plays for us again. Loads of talent but the back end of the season shows Mourinho doesn't see him as a fit for us. I doubt he was injured probably just saving face for when we sell him off to PSG or Barca in the summer.

 

[DiVaio]

I doubt he was injured probably just saving face for when we sell him off to PSG or Barca in the summer.

Yeah, and a earth is flat

 

[emiley heskey]

I think towards the end of the window, we will loan out ndombele to barcelona for 1 year and we will get semedo and coutinho on loan for 1 year and we will sell aurier to balance the book.

 

[Saoirse]

He did look leaner after the break. But that's not good enough. "Get slim quick!" programmes are bad enough for the average Joe - you still will not be anywhere near as fit as someone who's consistently had their weight under control, and you're much more likely to put it back on. But for a top-level footballer, it's absolutely laughable - the idea that you can lay off the kebabs for a few weeks and be ready to play in the Premier League!!! I do think he still has a chance, and moreso in a Jose team than a Poch press. But he needs to accept that the reason he's not played is because of his own failings, and he needs to work consistently over the long-term to get himself in a condition to make the most of his talent.

 

[buckley]

When you look at Harry Kane and take into account the amount of time off from training because of injuries and then look how fit and trim he is it is obvious that he has true dedication to keeping himself fit .
For myself I dont care if he has all the talent in the world because without the dedication to keep fit he is a waste of space it would not surprise me if we are lumbered with him for duration of his contract as this situation has not embarrassed him enough to do something about his fitness . The greats like Pele Messi Maradonna Ronaldo all have three things in common Commitment / Fitness / desire to succeed .The only one of these traits he seems to have is desire the desire to do as little as possible ref fitness .
There was a player at Chelsea who sat about for 4 years and could not be sold as no one would pay his massive wages that nobody else would match or take a gamble on him and he was happy to stay and not play and pick up his massive wages .
I just hope their is someone out there who thinks they can do something with this man and are willing to pay a reasonable fee that matches his reputation if not his on the field displays . It is sad when you see limited players like Winks and Sissoko who have the commitment but not his god given talent its such a shame.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

There was a player at Chelsea who sat about for 4 years and could not be sold as no one would pay his massive wages that nobody else would match or take a gamble on him and he was happy to stay and not play and pick up his massive wages .

Winston Bogarde. No relation to Dirk.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I think he will be shifted out in the next few weeks to raise money for signings as Jose is not going to get much support from the board.
You can see he has talent in the little cameo moments in a game but I don't see him fitting in the side and you can't have a part time player in the PL playing well for 20 mins in a game and then fading away.
If you wait until next season and we get more of the same then we have missed the boat in receiving our money back and he will be loaned out and eventually selling for a cut price deal.
If we can get our 60 mil back now that will go a long way to getting somebody else in, always assuming a top player wants to come to a club without CL football.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

assuming a top player wants to come to a club without CL football.

Well, we struggled to sign 'top players' when we had CL so personally i'm not sure there's going to be much difference

 

[spids]

What Ndombele has to do is quite simple. When not in possession he has to, with urgency, get into the positions that Sissoko and Winks currently occupy defensively to act as a shield for any vertical passes. And then he needs to show discipline to maintain the team's defensive shape as we defend in a low block, including understanding when he needs to contribute to a horizontal press of the opponents wide player in conjunction with our FB and WM (e.g. with Moura and Aurier on the right, with Son and Davies on the left), and when to return to his central shielding position. Mourinho demands great discipline and specific positioning from his CMs when not in possession. Sissoko and Winks have been very good at closely following Mourinho's game plan which is why they are the players he picks. The fact they have both been pants when we have the ball is why we need upgrades in CM.

For Ndomebele to get into the team he needs to be able to win Mourinho's' trust and, not just put a shift in defensively, but follow specific team shape instructions to the letter. I suspect the game away at Burnley when Ndomebele got hooked at HT for Lo Celso has rather sealed his fate ...

Mourinho claimed his half-time changes had made a crucial difference. “In the first half we didn’t have a midfield,” the Spurs manager said, before pointing the finger of blame at Tanguy Ndombele in particular. “I know adapting to the Premier League is difficult but he has had enough time and a player of his potential has to give us more than he is giving us,”

 

[danielneeds]

I think he will be shifted out in the next few weeks to raise money for signings as Jose is not going to get much support from the board.
You can see he has talent in the little cameo moments in a game but I don't see him fitting in the side and you can't have a part time player in the PL playing well for 20 mins in a game and then fading away.
If you wait until next season and we get more of the same then we have missed the boat in receiving our money back and he will be loaned out and eventually selling for a cut price deal.
If we can get our 60 mil back now that will go a long way to getting somebody else in, always assuming a top player wants to come to a club without CL football.

The only club who can afford him is PSG and if they pass I don’t think he’ll go. Barca, Bayern, Juve, they’r all pretty skint. Maybe a swap, but I don’t see us loaning him. I’m kinda hoping circumstances see him staying and Jose has to play him and things turn around with a proper holding player in there.

 

[HedgieSpur]

What Ndombele has to do is quite simple. When not in possession he has to, with urgency, get into the positions that Sissoko and Winks currently occupy defensively to act as a shield for any vertical passes. And then he needs to show discipline to maintain the team's defensive shape as we defend in a low block, including understanding when he needs to contribute to a horizontal press of the opponents wide player in conjunction with our FB and WM (e.g. with Moura and Aurier on the right, with Son and Davies on the left), and when to return to his central shielding position. Mourinho demands great discipline and specific positioning from his CMs when not in possession. Sissoko and Winks have been very good at closely following Mourinho's game plan which is why they are the players he picks. The fact they have both been pants when we have the ball is why we need upgrades in CM.

For Ndomebele to get into the team he needs to be able to win Mourinho's' trust and, not just put a shift in defensively, but follow specific team shape instructions to the letter. I suspect the game away at Burnley when Ndomebele got hooked at HT for Lo Celso has rather sealed his fate ...

Mourinho claimed his half-time changes had made a crucial difference. “In the first half we didn’t have a midfield,” the Spurs manager said, before pointing the finger of blame at Tanguy Ndombele in particular. “I know adapting to the Premier League is difficult but he has had enough time and a player of his potential has to give us more than he is giving us,”

Or he can leave and go to a team and a manger (and indeed fans) who will get the best out of his attributes. In any event, its clear that Jose doesn't want/rate him, so best for all parties for him to go somewhere where he can flourish. In return, Jose can bring in players that he likes/trusts and then can be judged accordingly.

 

[thebenjamin]

Presumably people at the club will know by now whether TN has it in his character to come back from this season and make it here. If he does, great, he's first choice next season. If not, he's eating up £60M of transfer budget and £200K a week in wages. He could be a very useful bargaining chip in swap deals with maybe Barcelona (Coutinho + 1 other), or a straight cash deal to PSG. What we can't have is him sitting about on the bench next season - we literally cannot afford it.

 

[Kiedis]

Mourinho claimed his half-time changes had made a crucial difference. “In the first half we didn’t have a midfield,” the Spurs manager said, before pointing the finger of blame at Tanguy Ndombele in particular. “I know adapting to the Premier League is difficult but he has had enough time and a player of his potential has to give us more than he is giving us,”

That was Mourinho throwing Ndombele under the bus to make people forget his own car crash tactics from that game. And lo and behold, it worked a charm.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Would appreciate some help here. Been trying to unravel the enigma that is Tanguy...

What other players in previous Mourinho teams does he resemble? Obviously people say Pogba but...I mean functioning part of a Mourinho plan.

 

[thebenjamin]

Would appreciate some help here. Been trying to unravel the enigma that is Tanguy...

What other players in previous Mourinho teams does he resemble? Obviously people say Pogba but...I mean functioning part of a Mourinho plan.

I honestly don't think I can remember a player who plays in a position that absolutely relies on work rate to be so fundamentally disinterested in the game unless he has the ball.

 

[spids]

Would appreciate some help here. Been trying to unravel the enigma that is Tanguy...

What other players in previous Mourinho teams does he resemble? Obviously people say Pogba but...I mean functioning part of a Mourinho plan.

Mourinho's teams that have won titles:

Chelsea 2005
Cech
Ferreira Carvalho Terry Gallas
Makele Tiago
Robben Lampard Cole
Drogba

Inter Milan 2010
Cesar
Maicon Lucio Samuel Chivu
Cambiasso Zanetti
Eto'o Schneider Pandev
Milito

Real Madrid 2012
Casillas
Arbeola Ramos Pepe Marcelo
Khedeira Alonso
DiMaria Ozil Ronaldo
Benzema

Chelsea 2015
Courtois
Ivanovic Cahill Terry Azpilicueta
Matic Ramires
Willian Fabregas Hazard
Costa
​

All four of those teams had very tactically disciplined, selfless players in the 2 CM roles.

Spurs 2020
Lloris
Aurier Alderweireld Dier Davies
Winks Sissoko
Moura LoCelso Son
Kane​

I cannot see Ndombele starting a game anytime soon. Best for all parties if he moves on and we get players in who will improve us and Mourinho will use as Sissoko and Winks are nowhere near as good as the other players listed above.

 

[dSSAbr]

Would appreciate some help here. Been trying to unravel the enigma that is Tanguy...

What other players in previous Mourinho teams does he resemble? Obviously people say Pogba but...I mean functioning part of a Mourinho plan.

I dont think there is one, but if you want the most similar i would say that Deco is the one in terms of style of play. Great dribbler, good passer and not the most energetic off the ball. The thing is that Tanguy likes to invite pressure and does it better playing deeper in midfield, and we know Mourinho doesnt mind playing long balls, so even if he gets better off the ball, we would not be using his best attribute, that is inviting pressure and building from deep.

 

[danielneeds]

I honestly don't think I can remember a player who plays in a position that absolutely relies on work rate to be so fundamentally disinterested in the game unless he has the ball.

I think Fabregas is a pretty good example. He barely could run by the point they were winning the title and Mourinho built the team to hide his deficiencies and exacerbate his skills.